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Rose Kelly
Horemakhet:
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Detailed biographies of all the Scarlet Women are long overdue, to be honest.
Maybe we could start here: http://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Rose_Edith_Kelly with Rose...
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Yes. For instance, there is no mention yet of her & AC meeting, or their subsequent marriage. Alex seems to be very passionate about this subject, so perhaps he could the first one to take the plunge?...
the_real_simon_iff:
93!
A few thoughts of mine: I believe Rose is one of the very few people in AC's life he never wanted to hurt. To quote Cammell:
--- Quote from: "Aleister Crowley: The Black Magician" ---That Aleister adored Rose is certain and certain it is that the wreck of his marriage poisoned his life and unsettled his reason, which never totally recovered from the anguish, the agony, the torture and martyrdom (he describes his suffering in all these terms) which he endured during the dreary, inexorable march of her declining health. Towards her cure he did much - so he asserted, and so I have been informed - but the malady was not to be exorcised. Separation and then divorce followed; still the once lovers remained friends ...
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This is also confirmed in Mary Crowley's genealogy work "The Crowley family" where she writes:
--- Quote from: "The Crowley Family, Part 3: Aleister" ---Rose was the daughter of the Rev. Fredrick Festus Kelly. Her first marriage had been dissolved and according to Aleister he saved her from being forced into an unwanted second marriage. They met at Strathpeffer and they were married at Dingwall on August 12th, 1903. They had two children: a boy and a girl. The boy died in infancy and the girl, named Lola Zaza, I have no trace of. [...] Eventually Rose became ill and none of his charms could bring back her health. This led to separation and divorce and finally her death. After the divorce they remained friends and at her death Aleister was completely shattered.
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In AC's Augoeides diaries he writes that it was important to him that Rose won't find out about his astral workings with Soror Fidelis (Elaine Simpson), which does not sound like typical Crowley, does it? AC was a romantic fool and although he wanted so much that Mrs. Simpson would become a partner in magick for him or even a new Scarlet Woman, during many of their workings Aiwass (or other entities envoked) tells him to go back to Egypt on a Magical Retirement with his Scarlet Woman Rose. When he comes home to England and learns about the death of their second child he asks her to join him on this retirement but she refuses.
--- Quote from: "Alex_Bennett" ---It's the smack addict, wife beater who abandoned all his children I have a small problem with (please don't apologise for him). By comparison Rose's dabble with alcoholism is not worth mentioning, that's all, if that is the cause of your dislike or at least lack of admiration for her.
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For many it seems convenient to blame Aleister alone for his relationship problems, but to compare (without any proof) the intensity of Aleister's and Rose's addictions or to call hers just a little "dabble" with alcoholism is of no big help. He obviously cared for her and their child and there is no reason to think that he had her institutionalized to get rid of her, just the contrary would be right I think. But of course she obviously was not able or willing to follow his path.
If I remember correctly it was the member "Mistyrose" who had some knowledge about Lola Zaza, maybe she will one day provide more information again.
I agree, detailed Scarlet Women biographies are needed!
Love=Law
Lutz
Camlion:
Excellent review, Lutz!
Horemakhet:
Just stumbled on this...
"The history of Kelly’s Directories and Handbooks
The roots of Kelly’s Directories and Handbooks can be found in the publication, in 1799, of the first edition of The Post Office London Directory. In 1835, Frederic Festus Kelly was appointed His Majesty’s Inspector of Inland Letter Carriers and took over the production of the London Directory, which took his name. Kelly began producing provincial Directories soon after, ultimately covering every city, town, village and parish.
The company’s name changed accordingly to Kelly & Co Ltd in 1882, later becoming Kelly’s Directories Ltd in 1897.
Kelly was also the curate of St Giles Camberwell from 1880-1915 and was the father of Rose Edith Kelly, who later married the occult writer and poet Aleister Crowley. The Kelly family can be seen living at The Vicarage in Camberwell in the 1891 and the 1901 census. " (from 'findmypast.com')
.. in the 1901 census she is listed as a "Scholar"
Kelly's directories is online at the site listed above, but there is a charge to access any information. Seeing as how it is the daughter of the man compiling the directory, I would not be suprised if there is more information on her.. in particular the date she died, & the place she died..
Horemakhet:
--- Quote from: "the_real_simon_iff" ---If I remember correctly it was the member "Mistyrose" who had some knowledge about Lola Zaza, maybe she will one day provide more information again.
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... I have been reading through that thread again- entitled "Lola Zaza", & as it has some bearing to this discussion, here is the link:
http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1102&highlight=lola+zaza
...very interesting, but she leaves us hanging. There was also a thread recently (for those of you who don't know) entitled "Crowley's Children", where a great grandson of AC named 'Eric' came forward with some very interesting details about Ninette Shumway. 'Mistyrose' also added some clarification about Lola in this thread.
The fact that two distant relatives have come forward in these forums on friendly & helpful terms, would seem to contradict the assertion of some members of the community here that AC's relations do not want to be bothered. I am sure that there is a 'wall' there with a few of them, but maybe this had to do more with the manner in which they have been approached in the past- & I would bet that, like in the case of 'Mistyrose', some of them cannot understand why anyone would be interested in their family details. Maybe we are crazy :wink:
... Though with recent developments, such as the 'Chemical Wedding' movie, & AC being honored as one of the "100 greatest Britons", we could very well see more of them come forward.
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