Typhonian > Kenneth Grant
Outside the Circles of Time - Review
ianrons:
Thanks for that, SSS. I didn't intend to insult you: I was being defensive.
Re: Crowley, I think he made a big mistake in the working you describe, so I don't take him as authoritative vis-a-vis Enochian. Very much not, in fact.
James:
I think it is interesting to note that the Mahayana Buddhists were also accused of creative fictions when they produced the Mahayana Sutras (Lotus, Prajnaparamita etc.). The Hinayanists were aware that these were new sutras with apparently 'new' doctrines in them. The Mahayanists formulated a whole new doctrine called the Three Bodies of the Buddha, turning the Buddha from a human being into a Transcendent state with two function bodies, one being the human body the other being the enjoyment body that teaches continuously from Vulture Peak, shorthand for another state of consciousness. If someone attains to Vulture Peak then his gnosis is that of the Buddha who is teaching there for all time.
In essence the Mahayanists argued for the development of doctrine whilst the Hinayanists argued for sticking to the original message.
This argument would seem to have precedent!
Regards
Jamie
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the_spurious_simon_iff:
Hello James,
funny you should mention this, but yes, 'Mahayana supernaturalism', 'Mahayana space-fiction', 'flamboyant Mahayanism' 'fantastic speculations', 'bizarre' and, 'rubbish'...
As for a possible reason behind Mahayanists' not caring about their cosmology being developed in more of a systematic or clever way for other folks, somebody suggested; "From the absolute standpoint the universe was completely non-existent – why, therefore, would one bother to classify the fictitious."
However, this nonsense has been part of a 2000 year old tradition, and the way Mahayana (rather than Therevada) now fuses with modern science is a fascinating subject-area.
But yes, this type of religious schism has repeated itself all over the shop and will probably continue to do so ad infinitum. However, perhaps we see some wisdom in Darwin's very own words in relation to Mahayana, where; "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, or the most intelligent, but the most responsive to change."
(even though I'd personally say they were more intelligent than their rivals)
MichaelStaley:
--- Quote from: "the_spurious_simon_iff" ---But yes, this type of religious schism has repeated itself all over the shop and will probably continue to do so ad infinitum. However, perhaps we see some wisdom in Darwin's very own words in relation to Mahayana, where; "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, or the most intelligent, but the most responsive to change."
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I've never come across that quote by Darwin before, but it's food for thought. Thanks for posting it.
Best wishes,
Michael.
the_spurious_simon_iff:
There probably couldn't be a more Buddhistic statement...
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