Shiva quoted : "The so called self-realization is the discovery for yourself and by yourself that there is no self to discover. That will be a very shocking thing because it's going to blast every nerve, every cell, even the cells in the marrow of your bones.”
By this do you think he means that because we are all small atmans of the brahman , that there is no self? or is there no self for a different reason?
Although it's very simple ("there is no self"), UGK's description needs a bit of reading by one's self (that ultimately is not). Basically, he denies the existence of an Atman - after it, in it's turn, is destroyed. Nothing is nothing, and as soon as one compares Atman to Brahma, then there is something
He gives us only one "grace," and that is that the knower has been destroyed, and it gives a sense of "peace" and that there is the perception of a "guiding intelligence" that one can never know
. He also describes how he functions in that state, in detail, and his entire, ongoing dialog matches Crowley's description of an Ipsissimus.
You can get an overview at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U._G._Krishnamurti
And a link to http://the-natural-state.blogspot.com/2010/07/whatever-you-do-in-pursuit-of-truth-or.html
was posted a while ago by Azidonis, which is 5 webpages long. Just read the first 1/3 of the first webpage and you'll have a good overview. I have a copy of that first 1/3 - it is 23 pages (more or less) of large (14 pt) type with a few comments by myself (which don't ultimately existum). After I review my comments, you (Chris) will get a copy because you're on my list. Maybe the US Govt allows you the use of a printer and some paper? Then you can decide for yourself what UGK means.
Why this emphasis on UGK within the Aleister Crowley Society? Because AC said, "There is also an account in a certain secret document to be published when propriety permits
. Here it is only said this: The Ipsissimus is wholly free from all limitations soever, existing in the nature of all things without discriminations of quantity or quality between them. He has identified Being and not-Being and Becoming, action and non-action and tendency to action, with all other such triplicities, not distinguishing between them in respect of any conditions, or between any one thing and any other thing as to whether it is with or without conditions..." in One Star in Sight
Well, this secret document to be published when propriety permits
doesn't seem to have materialized. But it does seem like UGK has presented an account of that state.
Crowley also let us down when he didn't explain his comment about Jupiter and the Magus. At least there's no evidence that he did ... thus the topic of this thread.