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For Sale and Wanted - The Computerized Grimoire is now available for purchase
fraterwit - Jan 15, 2007 - 10:58 PM
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93 to one and all.
I'm delighted to announce that the correspondences application, called "The Computerized Grimoire," is now available for purchase at:
[Moderator: Link removed pending response to copyright issues...]
For only $29.95, you can have the most magically useful information from Aleister Crowley's "777" on your computer. All the information needed to create any ritual or meditation is at your fingertips. The western mystery tradition is just a mouse click away.
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Frater W.I.T.
lashtal - Jan 16, 2007 - 12:26 AM
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1 - Please do not post the same message in multiple threads.
2 - Your post relates to an item For Sale: I have moved the thread as appropriate.
3 - I cannot get your site to work and so am unable to view the screen captures. Can you confirm that you have made the appropriate enquiries or arrangements in respect of copyright, given that the source work is in print?
Paul
Owner & Editor
LAShTAL.COM
lashtal - Jan 17, 2007 - 07:45 AM
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I have removed the link pending your response...
juxtapolemic - Jan 18, 2007 - 07:19 PM
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I thought 777 (and most of Crowley's writing) was public material. And if it isn't, fuck it, the money won't be going to Uncle Al, anyway.
lashtal - Jan 18, 2007 - 08:07 PM
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juxtapolemic wrote: › I thought 777 (and most of Crowley's writing) was public material. And if it isn't, fuck it, the money won't be going to Uncle Al, anyway.
Thanks for that insightful and considered summary of your doubtless lengthy consideration of the facts and issues surrounding the Crowley copyrights.
adonia444 - Jan 18, 2007 - 08:48 PM
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Thanks for that insightful and considered summary of your doubtless lengthy consideration of the facts and issues surrounding the Crowley copyrights.
LMAO!!!!! Paul, your sarcasm and wit is just priceless sometimes! LOVED it, still laughing! 
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Kym
juxtapolemic - Jan 21, 2007 - 09:39 PM
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you're right, i don't have the free time to consider worthless information such as that.
LolaDaydream - Jan 22, 2007 - 05:39 AM
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Care Juxtapolemic,
Although I do understand your sentiments in general regarding open access to knowledge and/vs. monetary inheritance, please take note:
It may be worthless info to you (re: legalities around Crowley copyrights) but it is not to those who hold the copyrights. They do indeed take it quite seriously. Regardless of your opinion, publishing such copyright protected works without permission can & WILL result in a lawsuit (at which point your "worthless information" becomes a hefty legal bill.)
LAShTAL.com is not immune to the legalities of copyright, so please respect the moderating of these forums. It would be a shame to lose such a unique & wonderful site due to the actions of others. I hope that you can understand the bigger picture that Paul is looking at here and that you do not take such actions as an attack against our civil/cyber liberties.
93's!
Lola D.
juxtapolemic - Jan 22, 2007 - 07:07 AM
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Let the foolish squabble.
adonia444 - Jan 22, 2007 - 05:00 PM
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Well you're just delightful juxtapolemic.
Nobody is squabbling. Informing, stating some facts, expressing some opinions...yes, but not squabbling. I think you're taking this personally when thats really not what was intended. The copyrights to 777 are owned there for if Fraterwit is going to sell a computerized version using information from 777 then he should have permission from the copyright holder. I believe all Paul was asking of him was for verification that this has taken place and if so then I'm sure he would have no problems letting him advertise this here. It was a simple request which I might add wasn't answered...on this forum anyway.
You stated in your first comment that you thought Crowleys work was public material. All everyone was trying to do is make clear that it is NOT, thats all.
Agape,
Kym
juxtapolemic - Jan 22, 2007 - 05:36 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
ainandil - Jun 04, 2008 - 06:21 AM
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93, y'all.
0. IANAL. I just do their dirty work.
00. I realize this is an antiquated thread -- it remains nigh the top of Googled results. This is the fault of Google.
000. I was not asked to post here.
Hello. My real name is Jonathan: I've known Frater W.I.T.'s mundane personality for six years or so, and until I discovered his book, flipped through at random to read a paragraph, then bought the bloody thing, I'd grossly underesteemed the scope and depth of his occult knowledge and experience: I merely thought him a worthy adversary in debating all manner of topics germane to Thelema and Ceremonial Magick. Turns out homeboy knows his stuff. 
Now to the point. Vis-a-vis the question of using copyrighted material, especially _777_, I don't think you've done your homework. You recall the Master Therion's statement (here paraphrased), "...it is simply bad faith to obligate a candidate with dire oaths bearing the most severe of penalties, then confide in him the Hebrew alphabet and the nine planets!"
The majority of the tables of correspondence comprising _777_ are over an hundred, ten years old, if you take Crowley at his word (many biographers, including Dr. Francis Israel Regardie, state this is quite possible -- Crowley had a phenomenal memory): he wrote in a number of places that the bulk of the tables were scribed from memory (the subject matter was part and parcel of the Golden Dawn 'Knowledge Lections') in an astonishingly brief amount of time. Columns of data which Crowley added himself are fairly obvious (I didn't see attribution of the Norse pantheon to Otz Chaim in any Golden Dawn source material, did you)?
Bloody well near everything else which might even remotely be construed as 'esoteric' or 'privileged' information which Frater W.I.T. used in creating his program derives from primary sources ca. the beginning of the Renaissance, if not earlier. E.g., Latin papers in the British Museum in London (_Abramelin_ ain't new, folks.).
The copyright for Dr. John Dee and Sir Edward Kelley's invaluable works -- those which have survived the centures -- is held, at least until the fall of the Great Equinox, by the Mercury Senior of the Great Watchtower of the East and Air. You can look it up.
Thanks for playing. Take care now.
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Ainandil