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Set - Jun 01, 2007 - 10:58 PM
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The written output of ONA has intrigued me of late, although as of yet I have only been able to study a few online articles.
I am now curious to learn of other's experiences of the actual workings issued/promoted by ONA... Online information is hard to come by, or so it seems, so perhaps a few individuals lurking hereabouts might be able to award me some insight?
(And I trust that my request for information will not result in slurs on anyone's character, nor will it descend into criticism of the order's apparent "lack of ethics.")
pike66 - Jun 02, 2007 - 03:03 AM
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While I will classify the ONA as "hardcore" in my own personal references to them (and that's not a "bad" thing, either), I would never question any group's "ethics". Every man/woman for themselves, I say. The individual Will must decide for itself about classifications regarding sacrifice, racism, facism, all of which were or are attributed to the ONA.
-R.Pike-
runelogix - Jun 02, 2007 - 03:34 AM
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So Set, human sacrifice floats your boat aye? The ONA is most likely a covert op of MI5, British domestic intelligence (lol). It was setup by David Myatt, a notorious Brit with a colorful history of involvement in "extreme" political movements from one end of the spectrum to the other. Theres no evidence of any other members of this "group" then him. A fairly accurate account of his career is http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2 ... ation.html besides being a Satanist and gaining the ire of Aquino and friends at the Temple Of Set he was involved in founding the neoNazi Combat 18 and later in life converted to Islam (again, lmao). He used to have some websites in the late 90s I remember visiting, see if the Wayback machine has any archives of it. He's widely believed to be an MI5 agent which of course he, and Her Majesty's service, deny. 
Set - Jun 02, 2007 - 05:50 AM
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Well, as I stated initially: I am not interested in attacks on Myatt's character, and although human sacrifice is not something I am currently engaged in ( 
), I shan't let talk of such a thing affect me.
So, are there experiences to relay, rather than hearsay and paranoia?
runelogix - Jun 02, 2007 - 07:03 AM
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Set wrote: › Well, as I stated initially: I am not interested in attacks on Myatt's character, and although human sacrifice is not something I am currently engaged in (
), I shan't let talk of such a thing affect me.
So, are there experiences to relay, rather than hearsay and paranoia?
Sorry I couldn't be more helpful there. Like I said, I explored the ONA in the late nineties when I wanted to know about the term in the literal magickal sense 'order of nine angels' that I had an interest in at the time.
After careful examination I came to realize the Luciferian path the author of those documents describes is not in line with my own true will. I have to much appreciation for the people I love and to people who have showed me kindness in this life and in the past that the ruthlessness the ONA documents promote don't match my personality. Beyond this I could comment further but I'll refrain, it's not my intent to turn off your interest in the ONA, I'm just relaying my experience as a sorcerer.
Perhaps more importantly I've found the Opposer archetype and the reversal of rites to be very effective. By gaining these experiences I learned of very different 'transversion agents' then anything Myatt describes. I can't describe all the particulars but the difference between what I do and ONA Satanism is like the difference between the night and day.
Set - Jun 02, 2007 - 08:16 AM
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runelogix wrote: › Perhaps more importantly I've found the Opposer archetype and the reversal of rites to be very effective. By gaining these experiences I learned of very different 'transversion agents' then anything Myatt describes.
Ah! Now we approach something of use...
I should state that it is not my intent to align myself with this specific order; however, if something of use can be derived from its writings, then I am all eyes and ears. (More information would be gratefully received, of course.)
runelogix wrote: › I can't describe all the particulars but the difference between what I do and ONA Satanism is like the difference between the night and day.
I find a great deal of the ONA's philosophy disagreeable, but if there is a pearl or two amidst what may be construed as fascism, etc., then perhaps it is worth investigating further.
I appreciate your comments, runelogix.
runelogix - Jun 02, 2007 - 07:40 PM
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Set wrote: › Ah! Now we approach something of use...
I should state that it is not my intent to align myself with this specific order; however, if something of use can be derived from its writings, then I am all eyes and ears. (More information would be gratefully received, of course.)
I find a great deal of the ONA's philosophy disagreeable, but if there is a pearl or two amidst what may be construed as fascism, etc., then perhaps it is worth investigating further.
I appreciate your comments, runelogix.
I recall the essence that your talking about. There is a kernel of accuracy that shows up on rare occasions to an otherwise 'hollywood worthy' archetype of what a Satanist is. I don't think the stereotypical portrayal of black wearing, power obsessed, violent jerk is that powerful or even that Luciferian. It's too predictable. When I'm on the Otherside nothing is "branded" or predictable in human terms, motivations are fuzzy, not totally good or evil, benign or threatening. It's more Nietzschean and most beings that live there choose not to be disturbed by humans and have to watch out when they do so that they won't be reborn as one 
The Nietzschean attitude of Otherside beings is maybe something you can probably reciprocate with?
Gotta go, I don't have time to write more at the moment.
Aum418 - Jun 02, 2007 - 08:04 PM
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Order of Nine Angles? Is it made up of nine divisions of 40 degrees?
wolf354 - Jun 02, 2007 - 10:03 PM
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Greetings
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
My opinion... the ONA as less pratical value than Lovecraft or Lewis Carrol.
The work presented is the creation of David Myatt, I don't believe that the European leader and the American leader are both arrested because of human sacrifice, that would quickly fill lots of newspapers and other media and Myatt seemed to be the only person who knew about it.
They (ONA... probably him - Myatt) claimed to be a growing force in New Zealand and Australia but when Myaat converted himself to Muslim all information stopped.
The rumours of abductions made to people interested in joining the order seem to me just more lies painted with very dark colours.
I remenber reading there official site on the internet that went down after a few months online, and yes it excited me... until I began to feel just a big fictional creation without much pratical use for me.
You can use it for Magickal workings... as you can any comic book that pleases you (hum... I think that is Chaos Magick). I they had a publisher in New Zealand but I don't know if it still sells this material.
If it helps you there "main" book is called "Naos".
Love is the law, love under will
Best regards
stanforda - Jun 02, 2007 - 10:22 PM
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On the left-hand path, The Kemetic Order of Aset Ka; is to me all that the ONA claimed to be and quite a bit more.
wolf354 - Jun 02, 2007 - 10:37 PM
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Greetings
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Quoting a quote from Goodrik Clarke's "Black Sun" (and introducing Crowley on the thread...)
"The chief representative of Nazi satanism in Britian is David William Myatt, whose thought has been a major influence on this international cult.
Born in 1952, Myatt was brought up in East Africa and Singapore, where he was fascinated with spirit-dancing and martial arts.
In 1967 Myatt came to England to complete his secondary education, while his father returned to Africa.
The young Myatt made contact with a coven in Fenland the following summer and later joined secret groups in London practicing the magic of the Golden Dawn and Aleister Crowley. Around this time the activites of Anton LaVey and the Church of Satan became widely known. Yet Myatt remained unimpressed by what he saw of ritual magic and occultism. He sought something alltogether more exciting, dangerous and truly evil. At the same time he began to think of satanism as a means to create an new fearless individial, a higher human type in a Nietzschean sence (Anton Long [i.e. David Myatt], Diablerie: Revelations of a Satanist.(Shrewsbury, U.K.: Thormynd Press, 1991)"
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Love is the law, love under will
Best regards
sonofthestar - Jun 03, 2007 - 12:00 AM
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Sorry if this comes off as going against the request of the original post not to criticize any groups ethics, but I cannot sit idlely by and not vent a growing anger!
I reviewed a few sites on the Internet concerning this group.
I came away with the impression that they were of a juvenile theatric nature.
It is totally against the principles of Thelema ( and I assure you, Thelema has principles ) to advocate murder (which those sites in question did indeed do).
Thelema fully guarantees and acknowledges the right of individuals to defend themselves and the free function of their true will, and even to wage wars, as is hinted at in Liber Oz, .and elsewhere; but to choose an unwilling victim to use as a human sacrifice, and thus committing murder.....It Does Not.
It cannot be a person's "true will" to choose some individual (especially having never met them in any confrontational way) and sacrifice them. It could indeed be "their want" brought about by a disordered mental state. That of course wiould be a false will.
The essence of Thelema is Life! Light! Love! and Liberty!
And if I am to be the first Thelemite amongst us to come out and say I personally consider what I read on such websites as abhorrent, than so be it. Chide me if you will.
What the ONA advocates is no less "evilly ignorant" than the Christist murdering people in medieval days!
And I am not criticizing their ethics, as they have no true ethics to criticize.
And what great pearls of wisdom are to be found in their writ? When you find it please post it! But by all means, continue to search deep down in that cesspool to find them. Other than the human sacrifice crap (which appears to be their pearl of great price) please find one or two truly useful teachings this group has discovered and made known. And of course, it cannot be borrowed goods.
Love is the law, love under will.
kidneyhawk - Jun 03, 2007 - 12:20 AM
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Well, until someone can demonstrate otherwise, I'll be standing by Son of the Star.
I, too, hit a few sites and came back with the same impression.
Life's short and fast. Of course we want to "push the envelope and watch it bend."
3 months alone in the wood should serve well to eradicate the ego. Then again, it's a tenacious virus and can hide well deep in the marrow.
And when did Natural Selection require some outside help?
My own heart, guts and kidneys tell me to go to the
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of Silence.
I expect to be in Grand Company there!
93,
Kyle
pike66 - Jun 03, 2007 - 12:31 AM
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Man is always concerned with giving "outside help" to what is natural. The Magus is no different, only in that our goals are lofty and occult. Natural selection needs a kick in the pants every now and again, at least in terms of what the ONA are about.
-R.Pike-
kidneyhawk - Jun 03, 2007 - 12:58 AM
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Yeah, well, I think EVERYTHING can be viewed as part of the process of Nature-including all sorts of awful stuff, child abuse, rape, torture etc. It's all action in the human-primate world. Whether we evolve into some "super-species" or blow our race to dust, it all rose up from the void and returns there in the glare of Super Nova.
But making choices which go against the grain of deterministic tendency has also become a part of the natural flux. So I DO agree that, esp. in the field of Magick, we give
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Natural selection
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a kick in the pants
And we also might turn to points of view which see "Super-Nature" infliltrating and emerging from the "Natural Universe." We're not on passive stand-by. And being active particpants, there's SOMETHING which compels us in our activity. At the heart, I think its concurrent with what AC calls "The True Will."
Picking out who I think deserves to tumble off a cliff and feed the "Sinister" doesn't really have any application on my own Path. And Liber OZ offers some affirmation for those who will also resent and resist the push...
93,
Kyle
magispiegel - Jun 03, 2007 - 01:14 AM
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The ONA
What a load of crap...
Best Wishes
Charles
lashtal - Jun 03, 2007 - 01:17 AM
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Set,
Set wrote: › The written output of ONA has intrigued me of late, although as of yet I have only been able to study a few online articles... (And I trust that my request for information will not result in slurs on anyone's character, nor will it descend into criticism of the order's apparent "lack of ethics.")
I haven't the faintest idea why you considered this an appropriate topic for discussion on LAShTAL.COM. I'm disappointed by your use of this site in this way.
Locked.