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Thelema - Thelemic Magick
Magician - Oct 16, 2007 - 05:46 AM
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Dear Sir and Madam,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
1. Good afternoon every one!
I open this new topic to share my personal experience in Thelemic Magick and learn myself of other points of view as our communication progresses.
2. Many people in the modern world are still under delusion that West does not have spiritual gurus, mystical philosophers etc.. and the most divine and ancient way of attainment is provided by the Orient. Well, as a devoted Thelemic Magician I do not have anything against the individual will and interest in Oriental cultures, having studied a number of Hindu and Buddhist scriptures myself which I enjoyed. What I stand against is such naive and ignorant statements towards Western Magickal Tradition.
Western Tradition of Magick originated from Ancient Egyptian Mystery Cults, Ancient Cults of Rome and Greece as well as Qabala the Hebrew tradition. Druid, Celtic, Anglo-Saxon witchcraft had also influenced Western Magick to some degree.
Knights Templar and later R.C. Brothers preserved and developed the Western Tradition of Magick and despite desperate attempts of the infamous cult of the dead man to exterminate them they continued patiently with their secret work to enlighten mankind.
3. With the coming of the prophet of the New Aeon, Ankh-af-na-Khonsu, at the moment when Ra-Hoor-Khuit hath taken His seat in the East at the Equinox of the Gods (1904 era vulgari) the world was bathed in purifying fire and the West has witnessed the arising of a Blazing Spiritual System called the Law of Thelema, which is not only the most profound and developed system of Western Tradition but is also the most powerful way of spiritual attainment the world has ever seen in the last five thousand years!
With every reading of Liber AL vel Legis one can indeed feel himself or herself as a God or a Goddess incarnate upon the earth for it contains deepest spiritual and magickal truths one cannot find in other so called holy books of cursed faiths of the Old Aeon.
The Law of Thelema is the Law of Freedom, consequently an Aspirant to Thelemic magick is encouraged to devise his or her own techniques referring ourselves constantly to Liber AL and Magick in Theory & Practice. A Thelemic Magician follows the path of his or her True Will adapting his daily life and his magickal operations to his will.
One must not however reason as to what his will is or is'nt, but go forth as Hadit Unto Nuit to experiment and experience, and through that experience one acquires greater understanding of one's own will.
For the beginner in Thelemic Magick I would advise to start with Liber O in all it's branches, Liber V, and construct your own Adoration Unto Nuit which you will perform after every ritual practice, and read Book 4. As you grow you will be able to devise new techniques which suit your particular path on the Great Work.
To have a clear understanding of the Law of Thelema and Thelemic Magick it is not enough to read our Holy Books; one has to balance Theory with Practice. By doing so one magickaly aligns himself or herself with the Current 93.
This is a subtle matter where you are constantly energized by it's energy and finally reaching a point of spiritual experience which brings about Initiation which is not formal as Masonic initiations but real. The energy manifested in your being from your ritual work once accumulated creates Initiation.
Now we can see how Thelemic Magick resulting in Initiation brings about spiritual progress.
The skeleton of Thelemic Magick is mainly a development and improvement of the rituals of the old Golden Dawn, magickal concepts of Eliphas Levi, of Dr. Dee and many others.
A skilled Thelemic Magick however can perceive the uniqueness and superiority of the methods of Thelemic Magick over all other forms of western or none western magick by the energy Current and Initiation it manifests from the higher planes as well as the free attitude of it's philosophy.
This is enough for the starts, I would like every one to share their opinion and experience to make this topic a useful information exchange of Thelemic Magick!
Love is the law, love under will
Tiger - Oct 20, 2007 - 10:35 PM
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nice synopsis
can you or anyone else give a summary of Crowley's view on Blavatsky and Gurdjieff who would seem Thelemic.?
i am interested. not trolling.
comments are appreciated.
Magician - Oct 21, 2007 - 09:02 AM
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Thank you for the question.
Although I have not studied A.C.'s view on Gurdjieff I know for sure that Crowley acknowledged Blavatskaya as a Master of the Temple (The meaning of this term and functions of this Grade are to be found in Liber 418 and else where.)
We Thelemites respect Madam Blavatskaya for her great contribution unto Western Tradition of Magick.
Love is the law, love under will
MichaelStaley - Oct 21, 2007 - 11:55 AM
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Magician wrote: › . . . the arising of a Blazing Spiritual System called the Law of Thelema, which is not only the most profound and developed system of Western Tradition but is also the most powerful way of spiritual attainment the world has ever seen in the last five thousand years!
Just curious: what's your basis for asserting that Thelema is the most powerful way of spiritual attainment seen in the last five thousand years?
Magician - Oct 21, 2007 - 03:24 PM
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
The basis of my bold statement is The Book of the Law, personal magickal experiences and my intellectual judgment of other systems.
Of course it would be foolish of me to deny the efficiency of all systems of spiritual attainment, and certainly I acknowledge the right of every free man, woman or child to chose among the infinite variety of mystical schools to suit their particular nature and the path of the Great Work.
Sometimes I read the teachings of other systems and always keep my mind open as I tolerate religious freedom.
I am very glad that this topic is starting to function as I would like it to be, Thelemic Magick is an important subject I will to discuss with other magicians, share experience, learn point of view.
One of the things which makes Thelemic Magick so unique is Initiation which is individual in every case and especially in the A.'.A.'. of which I am a Neophyte, and speaking from experience it is a very powerful weapon upon the path.
I have been an occultism for many years before I joined A.'.A.'. and evolved a point of view which may seem strange to some but I pray you bare with me dear reader and you will find out that I am not as 'weird' as I seem, imparting unique Thelemic meditation from time to time.
Thank you for your question Sir/Madam, I hope I expressed myself clearly.
I anxiously await a nice and smooth magickal exchange.
Love is the Law, love under will
MichaelStaley - Oct 21, 2007 - 04:04 PM
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Magician wrote: › The basis of my bold statement is The Book of the Law, personal magickal experiences and my intellectual judgment of other systems.
No system of spiritual attainment can be adequately assessed on the basis of mere intellectual judgement; it has to be experienced. This being the case, it is unlikely that anyone can assert the superiority of Thelema over all other systems, let alone over a vast time period like five thousand years.
Magician wrote: › One of the things which makes Thelemic Magick so unique is Initiation which is individual in every case and especially in the A.'.A.'. of which I am a Neophyte, and speaking from experience it is a very powerful weapon upon the path.
On the contrary, it is my understanding that initiation in most if not all systems is individual. That is, that the guru will tailor the development according to the needs of the chela.
I hope I'm not coming over as combative. I just thought that your assertion of the superiority of Thelema to all other systems of spiritual development to be rather sweeping.
Aum418 - Oct 21, 2007 - 05:08 PM
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MichaelStaley wrote: ›
Magician wrote: › The basis of my bold statement is The Book of the Law, personal magickal experiences and my intellectual judgment of other systems.
No system of spiritual attainment can be adequately assessed on the basis of mere intellectual judgement; it has to be experienced.[/quote ]
Not true really. Yes, you wont FULLY know the system until you experience it but if I see Secret Society A makes one flagellate themselves, I will avoid it with the knowledge that flagellation doenst cause enlightenment (cf. Buddha & the Middle-path). To not apply intellectual discrimination in any kind of system is a mistake.
Quote: › This being the case, it is unlikely that anyone can assert the superiority of Thelema over all other systems, let alone over a vast time period like five thousand years.
The superiority of a system is entirely relative in one sense. In another sense, Thelema adheres much more to modern notions of, say, physics than others do. Thats one example.
Magician wrote: › quot;]One of the things which makes Thelemic Magick so unique is Initiation which is individual in every case and especially in the A.'.A.'. of which I am a Neophyte, and speaking from experience it is a very powerful weapon upon the path.
On the contrary, it is my understanding that initiation in most if not all systems is individual. That is, that the guru will tailor the development according to the needs of the chela.
If you are not aware of the extremely strict and formulaic ways that many other intiatory societies run then its no point in arguing. EVen with eastern gurus (which is what youre obviously referring to), they have a very specific idea-set; specific teachings; specific methods. Yes, there is some mutability - you may need to say X to Person A today and Y to Person B, but still... the methods in many other systems are relatively (to Thelema) qutie formulaic.
65 & 210,
111-418
Iskandar - Oct 21, 2007 - 06:55 PM
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I would only like to point out that the A.'. A.'. obviously incorporates Indian yoga to a significant degree. According to the “One Star in a Sight” the three highest A.’. A.’. grades (Magister Templi, Magus and Ipsissimus) relate to the mastery (or mystery) of sorrow (duhkha), impermanence (anicca), and selflessness (anatta), which are all Buddhist concepts. In addition, Liber B vel Magi makes a reference to “the Opening of the Grade of Ipsissimus," which "by the Buddhist it is called the trance Nerodha-Samapatti” (verse 18). It seems that there is a clear parallel here between the Buddhist and Thelemic (ideal) spiritual achievements. It is fine to find a personal predilection in Thelema but to make such sweeping statements (as already mentioned by the persons who responded to the initial post) – i.e., to claim that Thelema is “the most powerful way of spiritual attainment the world has ever seen in the last five thousand years” is simply naïve. Unless, of course, the person has a serious knowledge of all the spiritual systems developed in the last five thousand years. One should be careful not to ascribe an objective validity to his personal opinions.
Tiger - Oct 21, 2007 - 09:03 PM
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"3. With the coming of the prophet of the New Aeon, Ankh-af-na-Khonsu, at the moment when Ra-Hoor-Khuit hath taken His seat in the East at the Equinox of the Gods (1904 era vulgari) the world was bathed in purifying fire and the West has witnessed the arising of a Blazing Spiritual System called the Law of Thelema, which is not only the most profound and developed system of Western Tradition but is also the most powerful way of spiritual attainment the world has ever seen in the last five thousand years!"
attractive
drawing of an analogy
from one who has dipped into many systems of fighting arts.
JKD(JeetKunDO) developed by Bruce Lee, studied many systems and discarded the junk and streamlined the techniques and created a powerfull system (the fast track). Further, Gary Dill one of his students won the copy right law for JKD but if you come into contact with the underground school of another student Dan Inosanto who lost because he was more interested in martial arts than the court of law you don't need the copy right to tell which school is the better and real representative.
So there are many schools and many systems Grappling, Boxing, Kicking, Trapping, Bitting, Scratching etc. and just because your in the best system dosn't mean you won't get your ass beat in the street.
"A skilled Thelemic Magick however can perceive the uniqueness and superiority of the methods of Thelemic Magick over all other forms of western or none western magick by the energy Current and Initiation it manifests from the higher planes as well as the free attitude of it's philosophy."
So Current 93 what is it?
and can it be found in Sartre, Gurjieff, SOTO, COTO, TOTO, Besant etc and why do these systems seem to fight than to collaborate each other?
Magician - Oct 22, 2007 - 09:09 AM
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Thank you for your comments, I liked them very much my fellow Thelemites!
Well, this subject I devoted to Thelemic magick and not the discussions about the validity or lack of validity of other systems which are cursed in Liber AL, but I agree with you, my statement is certainly subjective, however I refer the reader to Liber V vel Reguli on this matter. Once again, I do tolerate religious freedom.
Microcosm. So back to Thelemic magick; the magickal Current of Thelema so called Current 93 is invoked by daily disciplined practices of a magician for a long periods of time until the mind reaches a point where energy is very concentrated and intense so that you will either go insane or die or undergo initiation.
The Current is one but why the conflict? According to the metaphysics of Thelema below the abyss all egos are eventually going to result in some type of conflict.
Macrocosm. This brings one to wander what is the point of war? The prize of existence is eternal warfare! Thelema is therefore a philosophy that is interested in making worthy men survive and become Gods incarnate upon the earth.
Thelema is obviously a warrior system, our War God sits upon the Throne of the Sun God; world peace is a dream for fools who cannot sense that Asar is a black god.
It is entirely possible when Thelema gets enough power it will build an Empire mightier then Roman Empire or Mayan Empire to rule the world by force of our magick. It is he, our prophet who said that the world will bath in blood before the Word of the Magus is heard by multitudes (see Book 4 part III).
The manifestations of Our magickal Current are unpredictable on all planes from political to spiritual, from microcosm to macrocosm. What I like about Thelema is that its highly practical and resolves all kinds of problems in the mind of the reader of Liber AL. You have an enemy who threatens you? Sacrifice him unto the Glory of Ra-Hoor Khuit in joyous ritual. You feel you want to relax? Get a store of women or men, have some wine and make joy.
Thelema is freedom! Thelema is power! Thelema is Glory! Thelema brings evolution and initiation that will burst from the depth of your being with force and fire of aspiration!
P.S.: Those who are interested in my written philosophical and magickal works can read my website at:
http://www.castletower.org/thothsite/index.html
There in my works I explain myself much clearer then in this letter.
Love is the law, love under will
the_real_simon_iff - Oct 22, 2007 - 10:24 AM
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Magician wrote: › Once again, I do tolerate religious freedom.
93!
Good to hear that, because by reading your essay "Western World and Islam" I would have made totally different conclusions. What was that about the "Warrior race of Noble Arians" again?
I then followed your links to the "essays" of some of your comrades, among them "a man whose IQ cannot be measured as a consequence of his primal instinct for the proper movement of energy in the Hierarchy" and finally to the writings of Mr. Bersson which I simply can't really comprehend. "Genocide as a War Manouever?" Oh, my Goddess!
Well, fellow Thelemite, simply said: Your way is not my way, your Thelema not my Thelema!
Peace
Love=Law
Lutz
Martialis - Oct 22, 2007 - 11:13 AM
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I think there are some Thelemites out there that (perhaps unbeknownst to themselves) perpetuate the very thing they're actually opposed to, say, for instance, through Elitism, demonization, etc. I also think far too many dwell on the war, and the blood and the violence and forget Big Bad Horus is really but a child at heart (not to get all fluffy). This latter idea is brought out when we see Horus placed upon the Throne of Ra, balancing severity with mercy even as the Sun's rays can help or hinder.
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world peace is a dream for fools who cannot sense that Asar is a black god.
I really don't think so. Notwithstanding the clashing of galaxies and all that jazz, if every star moves in its appointed orbit and does their Will with "purpose unassuaged" then really can there not be peace?
nashimiron - Oct 22, 2007 - 01:15 PM
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the_real_simon_iff wrote: › "a man whose IQ cannot be measured as a consequence of his primal instinct for the proper movement of energy in the Hierarchy"
I'm going to have that printed on my next batch of business cards! 
Aum418 - Oct 22, 2007 - 05:05 PM
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Martialis wrote: › I think there are some Thelemites out there that (perhaps unbeknownst to themselves) perpetuate the very thing they're actually opposed to, say, for instance, through Elitism, demonization, etc. I also think far too many dwell on the war, and the blood and the violence and forget Big Bad Horus is really but a child at heart (not to get all fluffy). This latter idea is brought out when we see Horus placed upon the Throne of Ra, balancing severity with mercy even as the Sun's rays can help or hinder.
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world peace is a dream for fools who cannot sense that Asar is a black god.
I really don't think so. Notwithstanding the clashing of galaxies and all that jazz, if every star moves in its appointed orbit and does their Will with "purpose unassuaged" then really can there not be peace?
There may be no 'interference' but there certainly will still be conflict. "Opposition is true friendship" (W. Blake) In "Duty," Crowley draws a disctinction between interference which implies a clashing of wills and conflict which is the simple interaction of things in Nature.
In part B where he talks about one's Duty to other Men & Women, he writes in response to the two liens in Liber AL: '"As brothers fight ye." & "If he be a king thou canst not hurt him." ...that: "To bring out saliently the differences between two points-of-view is useful to both in measuring the position of each in the whole. Combat stimulates the virile or creative energy; and, like love, of which it is one form, excites the mind to an orgasm which enables it to transcend its rational dullness." Here combat or conflict is seen in a positive light insofar as it "stimulates the virile or creative energy... like love." Right after this mention of combat, he says "Abstain from all interferences with other wills." He writes, "The love and war in the previous injunctions are of the nature of sport, where one respects, and learns from the opponent, but never interferes with him, outside the actual game.) To seek to dominate or influence another is to seek to deform or destroy him; and he is a necessary part of one's own Universe, that is, of one's self." He draws a very distinct line between combat that stimulates the creative energy and is understood to be 'the nature of sport' (As brothers fight ye!), and the interference with others' wills.
In short, interference may slowly drop away as more and more people come to know their True Motions, but conflict will never disappear from human society nor will it ever disappear from Nature. The old philosopher Heraclitus believed that conflict (e.g., ἀγών "agon" in Greek, which is the root of our 'agony') is necessary for change to occur. Homer wrote: "War is the father of all and the king of all" and "Every animal is driven to pasture with a blow." Is not Ra-Hoor-Khuit a god of war? Are we not called "warriors" several times in Liber AL and given the injunction, "Also ye shall be strong in war." (AL III:28)?
As Magician wrote above, "The price of existence is eternal warfare! ... Speaking as an Irishman, I prefer to say: The price of eternal warfare is existence." (Book of Lies, ch.80)
65 & 210,
111-418
Martialis - Oct 23, 2007 - 12:16 AM
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I agree. I have always seen conflict as one of the devies of evolution. However the 'dream of world peace' can, to some extent, I think, be realized.
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"War is the father of all and the king of all" and "Every animal is driven to pasture with a blow
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Homer could very well be outdated. Sure perhaps the easiest way to get somethings attention is to beat it but that's not the only option even though it might be the more direct course to take.
gurugeorge - Oct 23, 2007 - 12:18 AM
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Hehe, I love this forum, it's great to have people seriously discussing this stuff and putting their opinions forward boldly, fighting as brothers. Scientists know this trick already, and good scientific training is already a mini training in ego subjection. (I think Karl Popper or some other philosopher tells a story about an old professor of his who who stood up at a University conference after his pet theory that he'd championed for his whole career had just been demolished by a speaker, and stated that he had changed his mind on the subject in question. The whole assembly of students and professors was moved almost to tears, feeling that here was the essence of what they loved about science.)
For my part, I think there's "something for everyone" in Liber AL. If you're the soft, fluffy type, you can find lots of that to satisfy you; if you're a hardy soul who loves conflict, there's plenty of that too. There's a point of contact for everyone.
Somehow, the universe contains all these things, is all these things, and if Liber AL is a perfect Pantacle, it must reflect this.
One thing I always remember, I think it's in Liber 333, where AC talks about doing the one thing needful that you most don't want to do. I think if you're the fluffy type, you must learn the arts of war, if you're the quarrelsome type, you must learn peace and love. Whatever you find difficult to come to terms with, that's your limitation, that's the thing that blocks you from having God's freedom. Whatever that thing is that your mind slides away from, that thing you don't want to admit to, whether it's learning how to be disciplined if you're inclined to be sloppy, or learning how to be sloppy if you're inclined to be disciplined, for example - that's what will help you grow most.
Of course there are practical and ethical limits on what can be done in the flesh. Certainly as living creatures, we have a natural bias towards order, form, structure, integrity, life; but if we are intelligent living creatures, we won't shirk from at least thinking about all sorts of horrible possibilities, of chaos, death, anti-life, etc. As The Beast says in the Scholion to Liber V, you should at least be prepared to contemplate things outside your comfort zone, to acknowledge those things as part of the Universe. Tyger, tyger, and all that. But even on a practical level - "know thine enemy".
"My adepts stand upright; their head above the heavens, their feet below the hells." (Liber Tzaddi) (Side note: should this be "heads" or "head"? I've seen both, and both work, although "head" would seem to have a deeper meaning.) This, to me, captures something of the essence of Thelemic Magick.
Another thing I'd say is really important is memorisation of the sacred texts. Liber AL is (supposedly) a spell book, and the Holy Books are also (supposedly) magick spells that work their way into the soul. This is a very old form of magick that's been sort of forgotten in this day and age, but as Peter Kingsley pointed out, Empedocles required of his pupil that he bury the seeds of his teachers words in his breast and let them grow. I think it's probably of prime importance, almost more important than anything else, more foundational.
(Motta mentions somewhere about how Karl Germer, when he was held in solitary confinement during his stay in a concentration camp at the beginning of WWII, applied himself to reconstructing Liber LXV verse by verse in his mind, and this led to his Adeptus Minor initiation.)
Magician - Oct 23, 2007 - 01:45 PM
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My dear Fellow Thelemites,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
1. I agree with you, Thelema is indeed a warrior system of attainment, and an Aspirant who states that he has no will towards warrior expressions is missing the point.
Variety which is true key to evolution is appreciated among us. verily, each one of us is an individual star in the space of infinite possibilities. Aligning ourselves to the natural law of selection will make us survive, as Crowely himself wrote elsewhere: Fortify the Fit, eliminate the unfit!
To understand the apparent contradiction of my statement towards religious freedom and my essay on Islam read if you will the following little quote from my essay on catholics:
'Freedom of religion was and is a distinctly Western virtue, but the cult that intensionally murders innocent man and women, rapes little children and prevents the progress of humanity by opposing science even in twenty first century e.v. must be prohibited and outlawed and all the wealth and private properties of Catholic church should be given as a compensation to the mystic communities.
Moreover all the riches of Catholics are in reality ours as it was stolen long ago from us by this Heathens who plundered and vandalized our temples and societies.'
I hope that dissolves the contradiction in your mind concerning my understanding of tolerance. I can tolerate someone as long as he does not threaten me. Beyond that there can be no tolerance, I am a Thelemite, not Taoist.
We are Thelemites and one of our aims is to establish the rule of Lord of the Aeon upon the earth; this means war sooner or later with the slave gods and those who serve them. Master Therion writes in Liber CCC:
'Note, pray thee, the whole implication of the chapter that sooner or later we are to break the power of the slave-gods by actual fighting. Ultimately, Freedom must rely upon the sword.'
Five thousand years ago Thelema would probably not survive considering the circumstance and understanding of people during those ancient days. But magick evolves as do the people, and yesterdays methods are not only useless but also extremely dangerous and offensive to the free civilized New Aeon man or woman. Majority of present day religions are but a dying breed of old systems who were once great but now fell and enslave mankind by their self-sacrificing fanatical dogmatism. It is up to us, Thelemites, the first really free people of this earth, to enlighten true men and women.
2. Yes, I have experimented with Liber AL as a great Spell Book and actually written an essay on this, it is in my website given above, the essay is called 'Magick of AL'.
Many of my works were inspired by the energy of the Current and by reading Holy Books of Thelema of Class A.
It is part of the Task of a Member of A.'.A.'. to memorize a Chapter of the Holy Books. Doing this on daily basis one attains initiation.
I constantly read the Holy Books and especially AL in a ceremonial manner in my Temple or in my garden with a very loud voice and it actually gives me more energy for my work.
I advise it for every Thelemite, either solitary or a member of some society, it is very inspiring indeed.
This method by the way, was practiced by Druid sorcerers as well; they memorized long sagas to inspire young warriors but also for the secret purpose of undergoing initiation.
3. To become a Thelemic magician one has to practice for many hours a day to attain initiation and to keep the circle pure. I do at least three hours of rituals practice at the morning and three hours at night engage in other mystical practices. It is very hard to discipline yourself, but once you did it, you maintain it with ease, however a single brake in the circle and it is very hard to return to your daily routine. Sometimes during or after those long practices you get inspired by a thought you must write down, and this will assist in the Great Work.
I share this last paragraph in hope of others begin to share their experiences of magick of Thelema as long as it is not secret or too personal of course, but generally to research methods of our magick.
For instance there are very few new Thelemic rituals and new methods of magick, I do not understand why this is so. Thelemic magick writers are also very few. I try the best I can to write more and more essays myself to present Thelemites with new insights and to develop new rituals. So far I've written Invocation of Odin and Adoration Unto Nuit. In future I may begin writing books on Thelema.
We have to develop Thelemic philosophy by presenting new ideas and points of view to Thelemic Community and to explain ourselves to others, not only use that which has been written a hundred years ego.
Love is the law, love under will
zain - Oct 23, 2007 - 05:22 PM
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Magician, can i ask you a question?...
I assume that you are a member of the "Society Ordo Templi Orientis" magician. Why does this society exist? What is it doing that is different from the Caliphate or the Typhonians? And why would an aspirant choose the S.O.T.O over the other orders? Just curious.
Magician - Oct 24, 2007 - 08:38 AM
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Dear Zain,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Yes, I am a member of Society Ordo Templi Orientis and a Neophyte of A.'.A.'. of Motta/Bersson Lineage.
For your question please write to my e-mail.
sorcerer-king@hotmail.com
Love is the law, love under will
mikemystery - Oct 24, 2007 - 10:28 AM
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Dunno about the SOTO, Motta was a pretty shady bloke by accounts...
http://www.arcane-archive.org/religion/ ... rial-1.php
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcece ... ps/s/soto/
But hey "do what thou wilt"
sonofthestar@Gmail.com - Oct 24, 2007 - 03:42 PM
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Surely there are systems of attainment that are very effective, be they very old, or new takes on the old. This goes without saying.
I would have to agree though, that Thelema is indeed superior to all others for the following reasons:
1. The religion of Thelema, and the methods for spiritual development and magickal attainment that are part of the "religion" were revealed to, and elaborated by, 666!
2. They are not just "old hat stuff"---but a method of "rectification".
Thelema not only addresses, but rectifies the damage done to the individual, as well as humankind throughout history by those errors that oppose and circumvent the expression of our "true nature" to express and manifest our true will.
3. It perfectly embraces both the mystical and magickal aspect of things, and is not lop-sided.
4. One can go on and on!
When dealing with the concepts of war and peace:
Peace is established by fighting for our right to party!
There are many methods and tools the warrior can use as he or she battles against tyranny, whether it be a personal battle against that which would endanger the mind, or the physical welfare too.
The use of the pen! reflecting the knowledge of our understanding.
By the use of the wand!
And of course--through the use of the sword, as in taking up arms against oppressors; the American and French revolutions being perfect examples .
Some might be more effective in their fight by writing---than through the use of more seemingly robust and tailor made weapons.
There are those who never go into the actual place of battle, yet nevertheless pen forth great and inspiring works, invoking assisting energies through their written and spoken words; garnering and galvanizing the fighting spirit in their more physically active brothers and sisters. For successful soldiership implies mental wherewithal as well as brawn.
Even those living under the most humbling of circumstances--are not of necessity reduced to the role of ineffective bystanders--unfit for battle.
Nevertheless, before we consider any fight against the pawns of the slave gods, (though we have, in all actuality already won) we must master ourselves! We must annalize and know ourselves thoroughly; and declare ourselves combatants against all innate tendencies that weaken, injure and circumvent the free expression of our personal Thelema. We must be ready to see and admit, that it is our own very selves, that most often poses the greatest obstacles to our own Great Work.
A single magician can reduce a mighty empire to rubble!
Such as The Master Therion--a single man---blasting and breaking the foul and odious darkness of man's most piteous plight.
Invoking the most powerful example of the energies of Light, Life, Love, and Liberty--that are the crucial and most vibrant reality keys to our ultimate fulfillment and joy!
Without them---we are nothing other than slaves , groveling in the darkness of horrors spawned through ignorance.
Yes. Light! Light! Love! and Liberty! The Magickal constituents which make for much Mirth!
Excitement! --- Wonder --- and POWER.
Magician! you are not overstating the fact, that if we are truly capable of exerting and maintaining the discipline necessary to devote as much time as possible to magical work and practice each day--- and yet shirk those duties--- we could rightly be accused of cowardice in the face of the insidious enemy that is laziness, procrastination, and spiritual lethargy.
So yes, Thelema --however you care to define it, express it, or practice it---does offer The Most Spiritually Advanced Methods Of Attainment, In This, The Aeon Of Horus.
There is a method of attainment, beyond all preconceived conceptions of religion; far removed from the symbols we make use of to apprehend things. It is secret; beyond all named Gods of men. It is devoid of the dross of all conceptional thought. And even though it makes no use of "words" such as Thelema, or from any known system for that matter----it is "Thelemic" at it's core. For it is of the nature of pure will--and most perfect. Yet for the many, the light of such a realization--is faint, and quite hidden by the constructs of mind.
Of all the known methods of attainment---Thelema is Definitively -DYNAMIC!
The magical practices, and disciplines as given--forster an energy that no other system of attainment can touch. It is this energy that eventually breaks through from within the aspirant--propelling him and her to new and uniquely original modes of perception and expression, which all other systems, however grand, fail to birth.
Love is the law, love under will.
JimmyD - Oct 24, 2007 - 10:52 PM
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Looking for war?
How about this:
"Your scorn for mediocrity blinds you to its vast primitive power. You stand in the glare of your own brilliance, unable to see into the dim corners of the room, to dilate your eyes and see the potential dangers of the mass, the wad of humanity. Even as I tell you this, dear student, you cannot quite believe that lesser men, in whatever numbers, can really defeat you. But we are in the age of the mediocre man. He is dull, colorless, boring -- but inevitably victorious. The amoeba outlives the tiger because it divides and continues in its immortal monotony. The masses are the final tyrants. See how, in the arts, Kabuki wanes and withers while popular novels of violence and mindless action swamp the mind of the mass reader. And even in that timid genre, no author dares to produce a genuinely superior man as his hero, for in his rage of shame the mass man will send his yojimbo, the critic, to defend him. The roar of the plodders is inarticulate, but deafening. They have no brain, but they have a thousand arms to grasp and clutch at you, drag you down." -- Trevanian
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fraseth - Oct 24, 2007 - 11:45 PM
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Magician wrote: › Thelema is obviously a warrior system, our War God sits upon the Throne of the Sun God; world peace is a dream for fools who cannot sense that Asar is a black god.
What are you guys talking about? I don't even know what an Asar is, not to mention it's color.
kidneyhawk - Oct 24, 2007 - 11:49 PM
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Asar=Osiris
fraseth - Oct 25, 2007 - 12:18 AM
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kidneyhawk wrote: › Asar=Osiris
Right. They must have gotten that from Wikipedia or something. Wallis Budge transcribed Osiris incorrectly, probably after the Greek reading, thats probably where all that Asar and Ausar is coming from. Don't get me wrong, Budge was a great guy, but back then they didn't know it any better. The correct transcription is :st-Irt.
Also, Osiris is a nice god, not a blood thirsty, war hungry evil doer. Besides the use as a prefix for the king's name, the earliest known reference to Osiris as a ruler of the netherworld is in Pyr. 239 in late 5.Dyn. , and he has been a good guy ever since.
Osiris is indeed painted black in some statues, but in Ancient Egypt black was used to invoke the process of regeneration, which is something good. Remember, the Egyptians named their own land Kmt (Kemet), the black land. We do know it is Kemet because in Copitc it is vocalized "Keme". Ou Rome In Keme is "a man from Egypt". Unfortunately I don't have Coptic fonts.
Why black land? Because after the inundation the remaining mud made the land black and fertile. Fertile mud, the lifeblood of Egypt. The bad land was Dsrt, the red land, which is the desert. Red was mostly (not always, though) the color of agression and disorder, so their red was our black.
If you ever happen to meet an Ancient Egyptian, remember: black=good, red=bad. Also remember, beer is hnkt.
Iskandar - Oct 25, 2007 - 01:09 AM
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Hats off, fraseth!
JimmyD - Oct 25, 2007 - 01:32 AM
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<------Mwooohahahahha...
Let me check The Stele of Revealing.....
Nuet, Good...... but her spouse on the other hand,seems like Evil with wings!
Heru Ra Ha seems to be in serious trouble, and the whole drama seems to be instigated by...eh.... Ankh af nah Khonsu!
Now come on, Frater Seth there has to be some mitigating factors here, dont you think? (apart from agression and disorder being generaly underrated as lifegiving factors, a necessity of nature to regenerate and grow,thrive and stay healthy)
Its not all red and black you know.
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fraseth - Oct 25, 2007 - 02:05 AM
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JimmyD wrote: › Now come on, Frater Seth there has to be some mitigating factors here, dont you think? (apart from agression and disorder being generaly underrated as lifegiving factors, a necessity of nature to regenerate and grow,thrive and stay healthy)
Its not all red and black you know.
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I always thought Heraclitus invented the philosophy of ontological opposites. Now, since you pointed it out, I am not sure any more. I admit, it may have been Anch.f n Chonsu, after all. Who knows, may be Heraclitus traveled to Egypt and saw the stela at the Bulaq museum, and stole the idea?
BTW, that evil, winged SOB under Nut is Bechdeti, the Horus of Edfu. The other green headed bird, sitting right behind Ra-Harachty, on a weird, round thing with blue, white, and red-striped drapes hanging down from it, is a Horus too. Yep, that's right, another one. This is the hieroglyph for Imntt, which means "West" = the land of the dead. Gory!
Dead and destruction everywhere, I am telling you. I am only glad that these stripes aren't black, white and red, or we would have the Nazis in there on top of all that.
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"a man whose IQ cannot be measured as a consequence of his primal instinct for the proper movement of energy in the Hierarchy"
I just saw that now. Brilliant!
JimmyD - Oct 25, 2007 - 02:30 AM
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Much like an abomination of desolation,then?
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JimmyD - Oct 25, 2007 - 02:34 AM
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Hey?! Calling my avatar a Nazi?
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JimmyD - Oct 25, 2007 - 03:01 AM
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There is also:
"A brave and good man who shows absolutely no tendency toward Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia. He has a talent for certain types of puzzles; not necessarily the Kabbalah."
Eh....Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia? Ontologicaly speaking Hexakosioihexekontahexa-Mania on the other hand, sounds like an interesting condition.
I need a hnkt. Or something that induces hexakosioihexekontahexamania. That ought to be fun.
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Magician - Oct 25, 2007 - 11:40 AM
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DearThelemites
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
1. I do thank sonofthestar..., the person is indeed a true Thelemite magician as is evident from his/her post showing unique understanding of the Law and defined aspirations towards the Great Work.
2. Nazis? White Osiris? Stop this complete nonsense please! What in the hell are you talking about?! Cannot believe I am hearing this from a Fellow Thelemite! And stop making fun of descriptions of my brothers.
We are attempting to discuss serious issues here, be scientific.
Let me make myself clear for those who are new in Thelema;
A. I refer the reader to the most Holiest of Holy Books, Liber AL vel Legis Ch. I.V.49.:
'Abrogate are all the rituals, all ordeals, all words and signs. Ra-Hoor-Khuit hath taken his seat in the East at the Equinox of the Gods; and let Asar be with Isa, who also are one. But they are not of me. Let Asar be the adorant, Isa the sufferer; Hoor in his secret name and splendour is the Lord initiating.'
The Formula of the Dying God no matter in what mask it is presented is one in it's its nature, and is completely outdated and illegal in this Aeon of Horus. It is the Formula of Self Sacrifice and Self Mutilation, either spiritual or physical. Now understand dear novice, I am not talking about sacrificing a ten thousand US $ to help a fellow, I would do it gladly myself. I am talking about the Formula of Self Sacrifice as a spiritual evolution in itself, as the Cult of Attyss would cut off your precious pair testicles, or the Cult of Buddha would pierce your tongue with a fork back & forth, or christist would slowly take your eye out with red hot iron as soon as you look at a woman the wrong way (actually the right way, the only way!), or the Cult of Asar whose priests would bit their virgin's breasts to make the land fertile. Do you still think Osiris is a healthy god? I would HIGHLY recommend Golden Bough written by Sir James Gourge Frazer, its fat volumes, but don't feel lazy, life is short, so just read it.
Speaking as a historian magician, the central Doctrine of the Dying God is purification via suffering, sorrow, self mutilation, self denial, self flogging, intensional hunger, self emptying to the point of death, either spiritual or physical.
Supreme and Powerful God Horus, and His Cult represents spiritual attainment via acknowledging your Manhood in man and womanhood in woman. Initiation of this Cult is viewed as a Natural Growth of a Child, not crude death-rebirth cycle of savages. Dynamic Life, Sex, Pride, Wealth, Splendour, Joy, New Aristocracy, Royalty are the tools for operation in this Powerful Mystery School. I refer you once again to the Holiest of the Holy Books, Liber AL vel Legis Ch. II V. 17 to 21 which explains part of Our Sacred Doctrine in details:
'Hear me, ye people of sighing!
The sorrows of pain and regret
Are left to the dead and the dying,
The folk the not know me as yet.
These are dead, these fellows;
they feel not.
We are not for the poor and sad:
the lords of the earth are our kinsfolk.
Is a God to live in a dog? No!
but the highest are of us.
They shall rejoyce, our chosen:
who sorroweth is not of us.
Beauty and strength, leaping laughter and delicious langour,
force and fire,
are of us.
We have nothing with the outcast and the unfite:
let them die in their misery.
For they feel not.
Compassion is the vice of kings:
stamp down the wretched & the weak:
this is the law of the strong:
this is our law and the joy of the world.
Think not, o king, upon that lie:
That Thou Must Die:
verily thou shalt not die, but live.
Now let it be understood:
If the body of the king dessolve,
he shall remain in pure ecstacy forever.
Nuit! Hadit! Ra-Hoor-Khuit!
The Sun, Strength & Sight, Light;
these are for the servants of the Star & the Snake.'
Osiris & Isis are a part of Minor Mysteries and are not of Us, we are of Greater Mysteries of the School of Initiation, and though at present we are called Thelemites yet you shall never know who we really are unless thou becomest an Initiate of Us.
B. I do not agree with you; black is not the color of fertility, at least not in this Aeon, but the color of death & sorrow. Green is the proper color for Malkuth, I refer you to Liber 777 and to the Book of Thoth.
The explanation for this is that Malkuth was improperly viewed as the Sphere of Demons seducing mankind by 'Sin', this concept was based upon denial of matter. In this Aeon Malkuth is viewed as fertile soil, 'a bed for the sleeping Gods'.
C. Hitler was insane with blood thirst, and we Thelemites consider him as a little black magician attempting to use those Forces which are ment to be controlled, but instead he was controled by them, an insignificant slave of Great Thor.
Love is the law, love under will
AmritaMani - Oct 25, 2007 - 12:25 PM
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I second that ... what about the other schools that AC "borrowed" from?
MichaelStaley wrote: ›
Magician wrote: › . . . the arising of a Blazing Spiritual System called the Law of Thelema, which is not only the most profound and developed system of Western Tradition but is also the most powerful way of spiritual attainment the world has ever seen in the last five thousand years!
Just curious: what's your basis for asserting that Thelema is the most powerful way of spiritual attainment seen in the last five thousand years?
fraseth - Oct 25, 2007 - 01:07 PM
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Magician wrote: › We are attempting to discuss serious issues here, be scientific.
I've been trying.
Stultorum infinitus est numerus.
JimmyD - Oct 25, 2007 - 04:22 PM
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You care to explain what "Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia" is?
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the_real_simon_iff - Oct 25, 2007 - 04:31 PM
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93!
It means being afraid of the number "666". It helps not to suffer from it if you are into AC...
Following Crowley it would be the fear of sunshine also! Vampires again?
Love=Law
Lutz
JimmyD - Oct 25, 2007 - 05:45 PM
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hexakosioihexekontahexamania then, would be the equivialent of tatooing 666 in your forehead, the mark of the beast on your breast, shaving off all of your hair, and then proceed to run around naked, (apart from a scarlet cape with the unicursal in gold embroided on the back) dancing and holering towards the sun:
"Love is the law!,looohoove under wiiiiihihihihill!, Death to the ozone layer!", oblivious of any shocked bystanders, concerned police officers or traffic regulations?
Ha. Knew it sounded like fun.
Now,how does one go about to induce it?
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Iskandar - Oct 25, 2007 - 05:59 PM
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Magician wrote: › the Cult of Buddha would pierce your tongue with a fork back & forth
What an utter ignorance! What a spiritual arrogance to refer to the others on this forum as ' dear novice!' Trying to be scientific? Magician historian? Read Frazer? Yes, how about that? Let us all read the 19th century anthropology and let us all parrot what Crowley said, without paying any attention to all the flood of our newly acquired knowledge - academic and practical - of, let us say, Easter methods of spiritual attainment. Crowley was the Prophet of Thelema; he was a genius; he was erudite; and he was also making mistakes and his knowledge was in many respects limited: for he was the child of his time and he was only a man. As far as the Buddhism and yoga are concerned - to give just one example of each - if you take a look at the A.'. A.'. Student Exam that he sent to Kenneth Grant (published in "Remembering Aleister Crowley"), you will see that he did not have a basic theoretical knowledge of the division of Buddhist schools. As for yoga, here is an excerpt from his letter to Gerald Yorke (written in 1945): "I think you are wrong about my history. I did practically no Yoga of any kind after my return from my first journey to India [in 1901]. I attempted to resume practices at Boleskine and elsewhere, and could not force myself to do them."
Are you aware at all that there is a major division of Buddhism, which is old more than a thousand years, that calls nirvana the Great Bliss, likens it to the experience of orgasm, and calls its practitioner the hero (vira)? Have you ever heard of Zen? Where is the Dying God there? Where is the Dying God in the worship of Krishna? Of Shiva? Of Durga? Of Kali? Where is the Dying God in Shinto? In Taoism? In Confucianism? In Tantra, Hindu or Buddhist? You are a Neophyte - hats off, but stop preaching as if you were the Master of the Temple!
Thelema does not consist in parroting Crowley's views. They are foundational, for sure, but we have to explore further and move forward, otherwise we are just what you - on the basis of what you write - appear to be: a Crowleyite.
JimmyD - Oct 25, 2007 - 06:08 PM
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hmmmmmm........"Crowleyite" equals "hexakosioihexekontahexamaniac?"
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Martialis - Oct 25, 2007 - 08:26 PM
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While I disagree with most of your post, Magician I'm only going to comment on the following:
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Speaking as a historian magician, the central Doctrine of the Dying God is purification via suffering, sorrow, self mutilation, self denial, self flogging, intensional hunger, self emptying to the point of death, either spiritual or physical.
I think the Prophet could be accused of, at least, half of these. What, in your estimation, would that make him?? Just curious.
Technically, I think it all lies in the intention as far as the above methods go.
gurugeorge - Oct 25, 2007 - 08:56 PM
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Magician wrote: ›
'Hear me, ye people of sighing!
The sorrows of pain and regret
Are left to the dead and the dying,
The folk the not know me as yet.
These are dead, these fellows;
they feel not.
We are not for the poor and sad:
the lords of the earth are our kinsfolk.
Is a God to live in a dog? No!
but the highest are of us.
They shall rejoyce, our chosen:
who sorroweth is not of us.
Beauty and strength, leaping laughter and delicious langour,
force and fire,
are of us.
We have nothing with the outcast and the unfite:
let them die in their misery.
For they feel not.
Compassion is the vice of kings:
stamp down the wretched & the weak:
this is the law of the strong:
this is our law and the joy of the world.
Think not, o king, upon that lie:
That Thou Must Die:
verily thou shalt not die, but live.
Now let it be understood:
If the body of the king dessolve,
he shall remain in pure ecstacy forever.
Nuit! Hadit! Ra-Hoor-Khuit!
The Sun, Strength & Sight, Light;
these are for the servants of the Star & the Snake.'
Magician, I sort of like your fieriness, but please, if you think of yourself as a hardcore Thelemite, do not misspell words from Liber AL, it makes me queasy, and makes the baby Jesus cry.
Aum418 - Oct 25, 2007 - 09:49 PM
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gurugeorge wrote: ›
Magician, I sort of like your fieriness, but please, if you think of yourself as a hardcore Thelemite, do not misspell words from Liber AL, it makes me queasy, and makes the baby Jesus cry.
gurugeorge - Oct 25, 2007 - 10:05 PM
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Aum418 wrote: ›
Magician - Oct 26, 2007 - 08:18 AM
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
I was calling a novice this guy who thinks he is too clever 'JimmyD', it was not meant for you or for others, please don't over react, be assured I am not here to insult members.
Taoism and Confucianism are not part of the Dying God Formula, I agree with you, there are part of the Yellow School of Attainment, See Magick without Tears.
A Thelemite should keep in mind that the rituals of the old time are black. Those who say A.'.A.'. incorporates Hindoo Yoga should look again in Liber AL, the old methods were purged by the energy of our Current to suit our path.
Every initiated Thelemite can do it, success being his prove. I've done the same with the Temple of Odin, suiting the Great Temple of Norse to the nature of my Great Work. One can for instance take Tao sex magick techniques and purify them by the energy of our Current, that is by the way what must be done by the slant eye mystics with their systems.
I greatly hope that I am now understood by those who think I am a Crowleyist. I have my path and will, as do all of us I hope. Let us therefore express our opinions without arguing, are not we discouraged from it by the Lord of the Aeon Himself?
I am a warrior awakened under the bright rays of the Dawn of the New Aeon, yes, but I am not a quarrelsome pious woman! I expect smooth exchange of opinion, contrary or other wise.
Love is the law, love under will
hyperion192 - Oct 26, 2007 - 09:25 AM
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Hello 'Magician',
Can you spot the bowel-shaking inconsistencies in the post that contained:
"I am not here to insult members."
"the slant eye mystics"
"I expect smooth exchange of opinion..."" (expect??)
?
Two things for now:
* viewing other spiritual systems (e.g. Buddhism) only through the prism of a magical paradigm of which you are only yet beginning to scratch the surface leads you to vast oversimplification, bowdlerisation (thanks Michael!) and amateurism (Not To Mention OverCapitalisation).
* whilst it is encouraging to see someone 'live the dream' of thelema as fully as yourself, it is mildly amusing to see you chide others for taking you less than seriously.
Thelemic magick, I would gently suggest, is less about the 'uniqueness and superiority ... over all other forms of western or none western magick by the energy Current', as much as intense personal practice combined with the right proportion of humility and earned pride in one's work.
Anyway, speaking of work isn't a substitute for doing it, so bye for now...
xxx
JimmyD - Oct 26, 2007 - 10:36 AM
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Hey Mr Militant, lighten up! Let some sunshine into your life.You are not a hexakosioihexekontahexaphobiac, are you?
We can all go and kill my moslem neighbours later, if that is your idea of a good time. There are even some starving buddhists on my block we can poke with sharp bamboo sticks if that fails to cheer you up.
Sticks and stones you know, sticks and stones.
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Magician - Oct 26, 2007 - 11:11 AM
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Dear Fellow Thelemites,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
This forum is no longer amusing to me.
Speaking as a King, I will the company of True Royalty, strong men and women, proud and beautiful Children of the New Aeon! The servants of the Star and the Snake! Those whose Aspiration is balanced by discipline, whose will is aflame on the Path of the Great Work!
Those who are Gathered into the fold of Nuit by love under will and awakened by the central experience of Hadit, the secret fire within every man and every woman perceiving by the light of their hidden intuition that they are indeed stars in the Body of Omnipresence traveling on their appointed orbit to the discovery of their True Will!
Those who heard the Calling of the Magus of the Aeon of Horus, and armed with a flaming sword of freedom trample down the Heathen and are upon them, worshiping the Supreme and powerful War God who sits upon the Throne of Ra by the eternal Fire of existence in sublime truth of their True Will which is pure joy!
The Kings of the Earth of the Empire of Aristocracy; Those will I call my friends.
Awaken to the Fire of Life or go the way of a slave!
Having said the above, I retire into the solitude of my Thelemic Hermitage and await those who will to seriously study magick, develop to fantastic possibilities and attain real Initiation from Us.
Love is the law, love under will
P.S.: As of now I resign, but I do thank lashtal.com moderator for this forum.
lashtal - Oct 26, 2007 - 11:32 AM
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Magician wrote: › As of now I resign, but I do thank lashtal.com moderator for this forum.
My pleasure...
I'll close your account for you.
Aum418 - Oct 26, 2007 - 06:25 PM
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lashtal wrote: ›
Magician wrote: › As of now I resign, but I do thank lashtal.com moderator for this forum.
My pleasure...
I'll close your account for you.
Oh cmon... I like his ramblings - more so than a few people here. I kind of wish there was more force & fire enthusiasm around...
65 & 210,
111-418
lashtal - Oct 26, 2007 - 08:44 PM
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Too late: he's gone.
Maybe he'll come back one day.
MichaelStaley - Oct 28, 2007 - 06:38 PM
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He did choose to walk the plank, Aumie; not as if he was pushed.
Fine example, really . . .
spike418 - Oct 28, 2007 - 07:26 PM
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The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
gurugeorge - Oct 28, 2007 - 07:35 PM
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spike418 wrote: › The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
One would hope that Yeats meant that, ideally, the best should be full of passionate intensity
JimmyD - Oct 28, 2007 - 08:46 PM
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Passion? He scarpered as soon as someone merely poked at his brazingly fascist veiws. Brave sir Robin ran away.
That is my epitaph.
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Aum418 - Oct 28, 2007 - 08:53 PM
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spike418 wrote: › The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Down with the strong, cried the slaves, renaming their natural weaknesses virtue and blessedness.
JimmyD - Oct 28, 2007 - 09:08 PM
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Nah,Aum, that also sounds like whining. "The Strong" wouldnt bother to say something like that, there would be no need. If the slaves usurp their masters and win, they ARE "The Strong".
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lashtal - Oct 28, 2007 - 09:13 PM
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JimmyD wrote: › Brave sir Robin ran away.
Nice one, centurion.
When danger reared it's ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Ninyah - Oct 28, 2007 - 09:20 PM
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"the Empire of Aristocracy", rofl, finally this nutter is off, like anyone didnt see that one coming...
He himself didnt have a clue about what he was diddlin about. People who cant even take criticism... yeah well.
One cannot but wonder under what coconut palm he was created.
/HS!
sonofthestar@Gmail.com - Oct 28, 2007 - 09:57 PM
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
If one is passionate enough to become an aspirant, even if one is not their best— than one will eventually become so, if they are true to their self and Light.
From the grade of Neophyte, on up to Magus of the Aeon and beyond, the path of the adept to learn and progress is assured by the conviction of his experience and continuity. It is the promise of Life, made to the each star.
The Neophyte is not so lowly as to fail to teach, another star;
nor the Magus so high as to fail to learn from, that Neophyte, through Love.
Such is the majesty, mystery and Magick, of Thelema and Liberty.
Love is the law, love under will.
Martialis - Oct 28, 2007 - 10:02 PM
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Preach baby!!! Preach it! HoooRahhhh!
JimmyD - Oct 28, 2007 - 11:33 PM
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What do I know? Maybe he will be my mentor one day, but until that time, I will gladdingly and cheerfully whack away at him. Can only strenghten his resolve.
Sticks and stones again.
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uranus - Oct 29, 2007 - 03:44 AM
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Oy, what a degradarion. I like the tossing around of the fascist comment while also heckling magicians opinion. Not to say I agree with him but that look in the mirror befor ye toss about the ridicule and especially the term "fascist". And yes, I wrote the Thelemic Fascism posts but this is different altogether...
ROTHGATE - Oct 29, 2007 - 11:11 PM
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Facism is not noble, and without nobility one may only rule as a man whom is dictator, never as a King of men.
JimmyD - Oct 30, 2007 - 12:21 AM
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I agree Rothgate. For further indepth veiw of my opinion on fascism, study the Ten of Wands in the Thoth deck.(which incidently leads me back to the kundalini issue...) Now, if you will excuse me, I will have to go and search for that Holy Grail, which is due to follow suit after the very same Thoth card.(!)
Come along now, Concorde......cloppeticloppeticloppeticloppeti.......
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