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Thelema - musick
seajay - Mar 07, 2008 - 03:31 PM
Post subject: musick
just curious-what age are some of the posters here and what musickal interests??do you think crowley would like donovan??ive read that crowley would have hated "hippie"culture-is that true?ac being fond of,well,recreational pharmeceutical research i wonder what his take on lsd would be-imagine crowleys commentary after taking 200 mics of owsley acid and seeing jefferson airplane!!just kidding-please list a couple of your musickal interests-ill start
3 aforementioned bands
ravi shankar-bill monroe-miles davis-bob marleyetc etcj-28-phx,az
ps-is this too off topic??
FraterUraeus - Mar 07, 2008 - 04:25 PM
Post subject: Re: musick
Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
I'd have to go with Tool, Byla, Red Sparowes, Jesu, A Storm of Light, Sunn O)))... there are just too many to list. But I certainly use Byla and Ravi Shankar for meditation.
Love is the Law, Love under Will.
-Fra. E.
DCXVI - Mar 07, 2008 - 04:39 PM
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93 seajay!
I am a big fan of the experimental 70's scenes like the German 'krautrock' scene(Can, Faust), the French 'zeuhl' scene(Univers Zero, Magma), the British 'Canterbury' scene(Gong, Soft Machine), the multi-cultural 'Rock in Oppression' scene(Henry Cow, Samla Mammas Manna) & the fusion(Electeic Miles, Mahavishnu Orchestra) & prog-rock scenes(King Crimson, Gentle Giant).
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DCXVI - Mar 07, 2008 - 05:27 PM
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As for A.C. & the hippie movement, their mantra of 'sex, drugs & rock n roll' is not too far removed from Crowley's "Dionysus, Apollo, Aphrodite. In English: wine, woman and song" as mentioned in 'Energized Enthusiasm'.
Danny N.
Baphomet111 - Mar 07, 2008 - 11:25 PM
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It's really questionable about the hippy thing. For me, I consider how older generations take the new generations interests: usually as an uphill and unwanted indulgence. Crowley was a mountain climber, I'm sure if he was born at the right time he'd be interested and indulge! But I can't see him as someone that just sat by the sidelines and partied, he'd be at a university working with Timothy Leary or chilling with Burrough's and Gysin in Paris. I hate that I have to explain myself so indepth, but some people can't get the idea otherwise...These people are just important figures and Crowley had that energy to him. He's that type of person and wherever his energy resides, great things are just bound to happen. He's a mountain climber.
Now as for music with a K. David Cherubim that started the Thelemic Order of the Golden Dawn (now MIA) has a band called The Illuminaughty (or some spelling to that effect). He has some real cool stuff written about musick and guitar playing that intertwine the two with magick. Very good and cool stuff.
I really like everything but opera--and even that is growing on me. So instead of writing the list of a few hundred groups I like, I'll just say that all music has this ability to work as an alchemy for me. Be it strengthening, mutations, delving into new combinations, it's amazing! And it just comes out of people in so many different ways. A few fav's of mine are: Melvins, Cannibal Corpse, Tool, The Future Sound of London, GG Allin and the Scumfucks/murderjunkies/antiseen, King Crimson, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson (older stuff), Metallica (ditto), Rozz Williams (Christian Death, Shadow Project, EXP, Heltir, 1334......), Sonic Youth, Fantomas, Maja Ratkje, John Zorn.
A whole bunch more.
DCXVI - Mar 08, 2008 - 12:01 AM
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93 Baphomet111!
John Zorn, huh?! He had a project back in the 90's called Naked City that was one of the most phenomenal bands I have ever heard. They could switch from grindcore to honky tonk on a dime! Yamatsuka Eye from the Boredoms(a Japanese noise band) was their primary vocalist but Mike Patton(Mr.Bungle, Fantomas) worked with them a few times. If you haven't heard it yet I'd recommend their album 'Radio'...amazing!
- Danny N.
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lashtal - Mar 08, 2008 - 01:05 AM
Post subject: RE: John Zorn
I've said it before, but it's worth repeating: 'Killing Joke'.
Smells_and_Bells - Mar 08, 2008 - 01:35 AM
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93
Musick I like: Tool, Fields of the Nephilim(+Nefilim), Coil, King Crimson, Anubis Spire, Hendrix, Zappa, Mahavishnu Orchestra, etc. Baphomet111, I've heard illuminenaughty and like their stuff, just wish there was more of it.
Op- As for Crowley's take on the hippy generation: Two things, watch the movie Easy Rider(brilliant movie- a microcosm of the 60's hippy movement) and try to think about Crowley's conception of what constitutes a black brother. That being said, I think uncle Al would very much enjoy LSD, psilocybian mushrooms, ketamine, dmt, etc but would emphasize their usage to coincide with the law of Thelema.
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DCXVI - Mar 08, 2008 - 02:15 AM
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93 smells!
first off, let me just say that Zappa is king!
now that we've got that out of the way I'd like to say, in response to your "I think uncle Al would very much enjoy LSD, psilocybian mushrooms, ketamine, dmt, etc" statement, that I think you're right. We know for sure that A.C. experimented with anhalonium lewinii(peyote), of which mescaline is the active compound. Mescaline is the same drug that Aldous Huxley ingested prior to his writing The Doors of Perception - & might I say an intense trip! & judging by his attribution of atropine-rich drugs like Stramonium & Belladonna to certain Paths(3 & 31) it is probable that he experimented with them as well.
"I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, o man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this." - L II:22
- Danny N.
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Boris - Mar 08, 2008 - 09:36 AM
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Melvins,
Melvins
and uh...
snivleM
DCXVI - Mar 08, 2008 - 04:36 PM
Post subject: Plastic People of the Universe
Is anyone here familiar with the Prague underground band 'Plastic People of the Universe'?...really experimental stuff from the late 60's - late 70's(I think they may even still perform)...they just released a 7 disc boxset that is increadible.
[quote=Boris]Melvins, Melvins and uh... snivleM[/quote]
"Cuz I can ford a red eed only street a wide a ree land'
BlueKephra - Mar 09, 2008 - 05:18 AM
Post subject: RE: Plastic People of the Universe
Killing Joke have reformed as their original line-up. And will be playing their first 2 albums live.
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... =362220898
newneubergOuch - Mar 09, 2008 - 07:33 AM
Post subject: RE: Plastic People of the Universe
Britney spears, cause shes so into that kabbalah thing, shaved her head like Crowley, got attacked in the press, lost her kids, supposedly bisexual, got addicted to drugs and can`t sing..........dont know about mountain climbing though
lashtal - Mar 09, 2008 - 12:35 PM
Post subject: Re: RE: Plastic People of the Universe
BlueKephra wrote: › Killing Joke have reformed as their original line-up.
They certainly are - my tickets are booked for the recital of Pandemonium (of course). By the way, half the available tickets for the whole tour have apparently sold without advertising.
Maybe we could have a LAShTAL.COM get-together prior to one of the performances...
JohnS - Mar 09, 2008 - 04:41 PM
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Captain Beefheart and the Magic(k) Band (the wonderfilled Trout Mask Replica), early King Crimson, Graham Bond, I could go on but won't,suffice to say, got the albums, Tee-shirts etc. Saw 'em all back in the day. Hyde Park 1969, were you there ? - Gandalf's Garden down the King's Road, first time I came across A.C. was in their magazine. Never saw those crazy Beatles though (big regret !).
JohnS - Mar 09, 2008 - 04:43 PM
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P.S, don't care if the Beast would have liked Donovan, I do !!!
DCXVI - Mar 09, 2008 - 04:56 PM
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JohnS wrote: › Captain Beefheart and the Magic(k) Band (the wonderfilled Trout Mask Replica)
"I don't want to kill my china pig...no I don't"
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JohnS - Mar 09, 2008 - 05:10 PM
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That's right, the Mascara Snake : Fast and Bulbous !!!!!
DCXVI - Mar 09, 2008 - 05:11 PM
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JohnS wrote: › That's right, the Mascara Snake : Fast and Bulbous !!!!!
...and tight also!
Tiger - Mar 09, 2008 - 07:15 PM
Post subject: Etheric grimoires
I Think A.C. was an intense climber that understood many terrains and climates.
so anything that has an impeccable intensity that configures a certian ambiance does it for me.
some of my favorites
---meditative---
King Crimson
Shakti
Ali Farka Toure
Babatunde Olatunji
Nusrat Fate Ali Khan
Miles electric and acoustic
John Coltrane
Thelonious Monk
Charlie Parker
Vivaldi
Bach
Mozart
Richard Strauss
---active---
Rolling Stones (The Biggest Bang Rolling Stones dvd amazing)
Led Zeppelin
Deep Purple
Hendrix
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Santana
Yes
Rush
The Clash
The Police
Foo Fighters
Marvin Gaye
Amy Winehouse
Howlin Wolf
Muddy Waters
Robert Johnson
Buddy Guy
Peter Tosh
Itals
Culture
Burning Spear
Black Uhuru
Skatalites
Jazz Jamaica
Destiny's Child - (Live in Atlanta DVD has Sekmet and Horus themes in it)
Black Eyed Peas
Kanye West
starting to get into HipHop
anyone know about radha and petro rhythms ?
are there any recordings of leila waddell ?
ElGod - Mar 09, 2008 - 07:18 PM
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I am a fan of Faith No More. I also like my metal although (at the risk of sounding like a grumpy old man) it is sorting of beginning to sound the same. For this reason, I have recently moved into the black metal territory with bands such as Dimmu Borgir with their Progenies of the Great Apocalypse and Cradle of Filth with Nymphetamine.
I recently found a Thelemic 'ritual rick' band called Illumine Naughty whose work can be heard on their MySpace page http://www.myspace.com/illuminenaughty I found that they mispronounced Thelema of the song of that title, but apart from that it is a solid song.
ElGod - Mar 09, 2008 - 07:48 PM
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On the topic of music. What preferences are there as to the types of music (if any) that work with certain rituals such as the LBRP. Also, what music might suit a celebration of an Equinox of the Gods such as that which is due in a fortnight? I have found that the dark ambient music of Lustmord or Lull is good for banishing, whereas Tibetan and Egyptian chants seem to help for evoking.
DCXVI - Mar 09, 2008 - 07:57 PM
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ElGod wrote: › ...what music might suit a celebration of an Equinox of the Gods such as that which is due in a fortnight?
Igor Stravinsky's 'The Rite of Spring'!
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TRD-SC-676 - Jun 22, 2008 - 08:06 AM
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93,
I happen to listen to many different types of music, a few of my favorites are, and i encourage all to check them out if you havent heard of them, Rammstein (german band), Imogen Heap (amazing singer), Lamb of God (American Metal), Within Temptation (truly excellant band with orchastra).
If you check these groups out you'll see they are inded very different.
but just some of my favs...
enjoy.
93
FraterNuin - Jun 22, 2008 - 01:54 PM
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Whilst I am quiet on this forum (primarily reading the well researched discussions / arguments / differences of opinions that seem to come up a lot), I will add mine to this.
Most of what I listen to tends to fall under 1) neofolk 2) dark ambient 3) (orthodox) industrial. So I usually have things like Current 93, Death In June, Sol Invinctus, Coil, Lustmord, Einstuerzende Neubauten, Throbbing Gristle &c. in my play lists. Although my better half has been introducing me to her prefered doom and black metal bands (The names escape me, sounds primarily Norwegian to me). Unfortunately (perhaps) I can also add on things like Steel Eye Span, Leonard Cohen and Johnny Cash to my listening list, but some of that was things my folk's used to listen to when I was a child so I picked up a taste for it.
As for music in ritual, to reply to ElGod, I find for some rituals, Coil is the best choice. And for others, I tend to agree about using Lustmord or Lull. But it would also depend on the ritual itself. Working with Mars, play something Martial 
Working with Venus, something seductive.
Love is the law, love under will
N.
nlwrykyy - Jul 02, 2008 - 04:40 AM
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Don't know why, but when I listen to Pink Floyd (which is a lot, this is a serious band) Crowley always comes to mind, especially on their longer, more epic songs. People have tried to interpret some of their songs but their message to me sounds just very esoteric and above the material desires that most of their fans (The Wall) have. The Narrow Way Part III brings to mind the astral, for some reason.
Heroin just makes people cranky - I think he definately would have liked lsd.
DrJackShelton - Jul 02, 2008 - 06:04 AM
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I'm Jack Shelton, Angloamerican writer soon expatriating to Canada, age 19 and play in the band People at the Sea, formerly The Patio Salesmen. we're on Last.fm and our records are up for free. It's all psychedelic music, stereolicious and trippy - made for headphones.
Some of my favourite bands are:
Radiohead
The Pink Floyd Sound
Black Moth Super Rainbow
Boards of Canada
Sigur Ros
of Montreal
The Most Serene Republic
M83
Okay
White Flight
Tortoise
Neil Young
The Beatles
David Bowie
The Flaming Lips
גמל - Jul 03, 2008 - 12:02 PM
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93!
Favourite Bands:
Garden of Delight
Bauhaus
Fields of the Nephilim
Cassandra Complex
New Model Army
Depeche Mode
Project Pitchfork
Girls under Glass
Joy Division
Killing Joke
Sisters of Mercy
some medieval stuff like Faun, Qntal, Corvus Corax
some Neofolk like Current 93
and more
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גמל
Oberon - Jul 03, 2008 - 06:05 PM
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Babylonians worshipping Merodak in Benjamin Britten's, 'The Burning Fiery Furnace.'
The 'Ritual Dances' from Michael Tippett's, 'The Midsummer Marriage.'
Prokofiev's Third Symphony, 'The Fiery Angel'.
Szymanovski's Third Symphony, 'The Song of the Night.'
Janacek's, Glagolitic Mass.' As heard in Kenneth Anger's film, 'The Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome.'
Liadov's, 'Baba Yaga', 'Enchanted Lake' and 'Kikimora'. As heard in Kenneth Anger's film, 'The Man We Want To Hang.'
Takemitsu's, 'Dream Window.'
Debussy's, 'Jeux.'
Ravel's, 'Rapsodie Espagnole.'
Rachmaninov's, 'The Isle of the Dead'.
Scriabin's, 'Poem of Ecstasy' and 'Prometheus. The Poem of Fire.'
If only Scriabin hadn't died so young, having completed only a few works in his mature style. The other pieces are an attempt to fill the gap left by this loss.
BlueKephra - Jul 03, 2008 - 06:41 PM
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Both those Skryabin pieces are pure aural cinema to me, I see massive ships rolling through the sea, and similar visions when I listen to them.....I agree that his early death robbed the world of some potentially staggering music, although he could also have ended up becoming the worlds first hippy stoner musician, what with his light-organ, attempts at fusing music with smells , synaesthesia style and all his mystical obsessions...
"By the time he wrote Prometheus(1908-10) Scriabin had become obsessed with the idea of a 'mystical chord' composed of the notes A, D sharp G, C sharp, F sharp, B"
I seem to remember he was born at easter and died at christmas, or maybe the other way round.
Anticredos - Jul 03, 2008 - 07:57 PM
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I've recently become obsessed with a piece by Panufnik - the beautiful, elegiac Autumn Music. From what little I've read it seems he too was obsessed with mystical proportions, yoga and so on. I really must explore his work further.
I've never been able to get into Scriabin... or most work for large forces... the impersonal sound of massed instruments doesn't really do it for me. I find myself with too much mental baggage relating to film music and the pomp and circumstance of late 19C music to give myself to the actual music. The Panufnik piece (for chamber orchestra without violins) is probably the first piece for a larger ensemble that I have truly enjoyed.
BlueKephra - Jul 03, 2008 - 09:25 PM
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Oberon wrote: › Scriabin's, 'Poem of Ecstasy' and 'Prometheus. The Poem of Fire.'
If only Scriabin hadn't died so young, having completed only a few works in his mature style. The other pieces are an attempt to fill the gap left by this loss.
Just thinking about that, have you ever heard of the English composer John Foulds (1880-1939)? Can do no better than quote from the description in the CD booklet of the piece "Three Mantras From Avatara, op61b Of Action And Vision of Terrestrial Avatars. Of Bliss and Vision Of Celestial Avatars. Of Will and Vision of Cosmic Avatars"
"The 'cosmic' Mantra III(of Will) is marked Inesorabile (inexorable) and is some of the most barbaric and elemental music Foulds ever composed.It's also a strict modal study on a South Indian Raga, using only seven pitches (at various octave transpositions) throughout and rigorously composed in a kind of chaconne on a seven-beat subject that is present, yet always changing shape, in virtually every bar.This balefull music generates a gigantic cumulative kinetic energy, over which Foulds constructs some hair-raising polyrhythmic complexities.The culmination is a shattering explosion of controlled orchestral power."
That was composed in 1930, but was first played in 1997. Someone else ahead of his time?
andrewriutta - Jul 04, 2008 - 03:30 AM
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Dead Can Dance
Acid Bath: "The sound of the ocean is dead, it's just the echo of the blood
in your head."
Tori Amos: " . . . and all the angels; and all the wizards black and white
are lighting candles in our hands."
Black Tape for a Blue Girl
Loveliescrushing
Tool
Philip Glass
Erick Satie
Henryk Goreki, specifically "Goreki Miserere"
Cradle of Filth
The Biggies: Bach, Beethoven and Wagner
Jocelyn Montgomery
Peter Gabriel: The Temptation of Christ soundtrack (This one goes
particularly well with The Book of Lies, I've noticed)
Andrew
Oberon - Jul 04, 2008 - 08:25 PM
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Anticredos wrote: ›
I've never been able to get into Scriabin... or most work for large forces... the impersonal sound of massed instruments doesn't really do it for me. I find myself with too much mental baggage relating to film music and the pomp and circumstance of late 19C music to give myself to the actual music. The Panufnik piece (for chamber orchestra without violins) is probably the first piece for a larger ensemble that I have truly enjoyed.
If you find Scriabin too lurid and overwrought I would recommend Debussy. According to the English composer and occultist Cyril Scott - who claimed contact with one of Madame Blavatsky's Masters - Debussy was the first modern musician to employ modes last used by the black magicians who caused the downfall of Atlantis, no less. Whether you believe that colourful story or not Debussy's music does radiate an atmosphere of magick and the numinous; several of his works having been inspired by the Great God Pan, among who's devotees will be found one Aleister Crowley.
Oberon - Jul 04, 2008 - 08:35 PM
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BlueKephra wrote: ›
Oberon wrote: › Scriabin's, 'Poem of Ecstasy' and 'Prometheus. The Poem of Fire.'
If only Scriabin hadn't died so young, having completed only a few works in his mature style. The other pieces are an attempt to fill the gap left by this loss.
Just thinking about that, have you ever heard of the English composer John Foulds (1880-1939)? Can do no better than quote from the description in the CD booklet of the piece "Three Mantras From Avatara, op61b Of Action And Vision of Terrestrial Avatars. Of Bliss and Vision Of Celestial Avatars. Of Will and Vision of Cosmic Avatars"
"The 'cosmic' Mantra III(of Will) is marked
Inesorabile (inexorable) and is some of the most barbaric and elemental music Foulds ever composed.It's also a strict modal study on a South Indian Raga, using only seven pitches (at various octave transpositions) throughout and rigorously composed in a kind of chaconne on a seven-beat subject that is present, yet always changing shape, in virtually every bar.This balefull music generates a gigantic cumulative kinetic energy, over which Foulds constructs some hair-raising polyrhythmic complexities.The culmination is a shattering explosion of controlled orchestral power."
That was composed in 1930, but was first played in 1997. Someone else ahead of his time?
Thanks for the recommendation. Foulds has been on my list for a while now. There is so much great music out there. I will definitely investigate the works you mention.
Anticredos - Jul 04, 2008 - 09:47 PM
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Oberon wrote: › If you find Scriabin too lurid and overwrought I would recommend Debussy. According to the English composer and occultist Cyril Scott - who claimed contact with one of Madame Blavatsky's Masters - Debussy was the first modern musician to employ modes last used by the black magicians who caused the downfall of Atlantis, no less. Whether you believe that colourful story or not Debussy's music does radiate an atmosphere of magick and the numinous; several of his works having been inspired by the Great God Pan, among who's devotees will be found one Aleister Crowley.
Yeah, I can handle Debussy - although again I prefer small groups of instruments. I heard his piano (4 hands) reduction of La Mer last year - amazing!
The book Debussy in Proportion: A Musical Analysis by Roy Howat has some interesting info on Debussy's readings of Eliphas Levi, use of magic squares and so on. Intersting to hear Scot's interpretation of the downfall of Atlantis as being due to music - reminds me of those Chinese and Greek notions popularised by Hesse about the health of a nation being audible in its music...
fugazi32 - Jul 04, 2008 - 10:02 PM
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No way! Rock & Roll doesn't make sense on entheogens, it's all about rave music: Jungle Tekno, Darkside Hardcore, etc............takes you OUT THERE! Opinion of course... 93.
Oscillate - Jul 04, 2008 - 10:53 PM
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My 'playlist' is constantly changing, but it has recently centred on:
Astrobotnia (a Rephlex-signed techno outfit)
Cran (trad Irish/Celtic)
Napalm Death
Electric Six
Killing Joke (Tabazan from the 'Night Time' album is a particular favourite).
Until finding Lashtal I never knew that Jaz Coleman had an interest in esoteric knowledge but it certainly makes sense. Can any Killing Joke fans (Paul?) direct me to any 'must hear' albums as I only have 'Night Time' at the moment?
Regards,
XO
Dogstar - Jul 04, 2008 - 11:13 PM
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Popol Vuh and early Marcos Valle
JohnS - Jul 04, 2008 - 11:56 PM
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Well, with regard to the original post and 'mood enhancers', in my opinion, Crowley would have embraced Lysergic acid, without a doubt.
Don;t get me wrong, I am not endorsing the use of this chemical. Undoubtably though, AC would have tripped the dark, fantastic.
But we will never know.
The veil was torn asunder in many different ways by the Master with his consorts.
The seers were mainly female (except for dear Victor), energised by alchohol, prolonged sex, sleep deprivation etc.
10 mikes may have made all that redundant.
The veil is thin but first you have to find it.
lashtal - Jul 05, 2008 - 11:36 AM
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Oscillate wrote: › Can any Killing Joke fans (Paul?) direct me to any 'must hear' albums as I only have 'Night Time' at the moment?
I'd start with the relatively recent Democracy and Pandemonium...
Once you've become addicted to their glorious ceremonies, you'll be pleased to hear that they're performing Pandemonium at The Forum, London, on Saturday 4 October 2008. I'll certainly be there.
Oscillate - Jul 05, 2008 - 11:58 AM
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Thanks for that Paul. I think they would be an awesome band live so will see about getting tickets.
Regards,
XO
Fr-Noctis - Jul 05, 2008 - 02:10 PM
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Coph Nia
rzk - Jul 05, 2008 - 02:15 PM
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Ulver, especially albums such as Shadows of the Sun, Blinded by Blood and Perdition City.
nashimiron - Jul 07, 2008 - 01:55 PM
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Chaoticum have recently produced a trailer for their latest album which is released by a Czechoslovakian record label called Horus Cyclic Daemon who also release lots of stuff folks here might find quite appealing. It's worth checking out and can be viewed here:
http://www.horus.cz/www_hcd/presentation.htm.
Horus CD are also about to release an album by Silence and Strength which is a tribute to Gustav Meyrink who wrote "The Golem".
przm28 - Jul 07, 2008 - 04:22 PM
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Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects
http://www.myspace.com/fredrikthordendalsspecialdefects
rzk - Jul 07, 2008 - 05:56 PM
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Lapis Niger - At the Throne of Melek Taus.
Highly recommended!
Lapis Niger symbolises the black diamond of Draconian Alchemy, the eternal star of Thaumiel of the Qliphotic Qabalah. Thus following a magician´s inner journey, this musical expression opens up the gate to the world of Samael, averse counterpart of the Sephirah Hod in the Qabalah. At The Throne of Melek Taus draws inspiration from the world of the Yezidis, the small Kurdish sect that still worships Melek Taus, the peacock god, also known as Shaitan.
http://www.arsregia.org/release_page.php?IDitem=36
One song available on myspace:
www.myspace.com/lapisniger616
RobCurley - Jul 10, 2008 - 08:02 PM
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seajay wrote: › just curious-what age are some of the posters here and what musickal interests??do you think crowley would like donovan??ive read that crowley would have hated "hippie"culture-is that true?ac being fond of,well,recreational pharmeceutical research i wonder what his take on lsd would be-imagine crowleys commentary after taking 200 mics of owsley acid and seeing jefferson airplane!!just kidding-please list a couple of your musickal interests-ill start
3 aforementioned bands
ravi shankar-bill monroe-miles davis-bob marleyetc etcj-28-phx,az
ps-is this too off topic??
Hi Seajay,
To go back to the question about Ol' Crow - well he admitted himself he didn't have a musical bone in his body. He had no feeling for it. This is no critisicm - with the vast talents he had something else had to go. As William Burroughs said of himself, his own talent for writing necessarily implied a deficit in other areas. To develop one part of yourself in one life means you cannot do so in another area unsympathetic at the same time. So artists are rarely practical.
Also it's absurd (I mean this generally, as it's a common question) when people say this about A.C. re. music - it amounts to a time-travel idea: placing an early 1900's gentleman in a festival field in "the swinging sixties". The only equivalent I can think of is Vivian Stanshall (although this wasn't his background) - of whom Stephen Fry said: 'He was one of the most talented, profligate, absurd, infuriating, unfathomable and magnificent Englishmen ever to have drawn breath." So very Crowleyan.
A.C. said of himself: "It is sure without question that I have always been insane." So the disciplined 'Mountaineer' side of him would have utterly despised and dismissed the "Hippie" ethos - destined to submerge and die in some friend's sofa because they wanted to "do their own thing, man." But the drug devotee and general "tryer of all things" side of A.C. would have jumped in & indulged, of course.
But he would have been the person in the corner of the 'drug room' freaking everyone out because of his natural 'all encompassing' presence. There's an amusing idea about this at the end of Robert Anton Wilson's "Masks of the Illuminati".
It'd be fun to try and show Crowley how to play a guitar chord sometime. A more interesting question (I think) is what music would Crowley make himself..? (Page comes to mind..! It's no coincidence that the most influential guitarist of our times - no, I will not argue - is a Thelemite.) But if Crowley was a musician, he would have been in the "Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band".
On that tack, what do you think about Dylan Moran's idea, that if a vagina could sing it would sound like 'Enya'?
In LVX,
Rob.
Walterfive - Jul 10, 2008 - 10:27 PM
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Well, muskically I'm very diverse. I have over 3000 CDs, and another 1500 or so LP records, and hundreds of music performance DVDs, Laserdiscs, and videotapes.
I like classical music like Mozart, Beethoven and Wagner, of course. I still play dozens of Showtunes from Musicals that I have done with various theatre companies in the pre-Army days of my youth like "Hair" and "Pippin" and "West Side Story". Musical comedy like Spike Jones, the Goons, Monty Python, Mick Conway, and all that Doctor Demento comedy pop stuff of the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's.
I *adore* old jazz like Bix Beiderbecke, Louis Armstrong's Hot Five and Jelly Roll Morton's Red Hot Peppers, 20's & 30's Jugband and Whoopee Music, Delta blues like Robert Johnson and Son House but also Piedmont Blues like Blind Boy Fuller and Barbecue Bob Hicks...
I like 50's/60's Lounge with the Rat Pack and Bobby Darin, and 50's Rockabilly and Rock & Roll, Eddie Cochran, Buddy Holly, pre-Army Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Bo Diddley, etc. but I also like classic rock like Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, the New York Dolls, and the MC5, appreciate so-called "Heavy Metal" like Sabbath, BOC, Rainbow, Judas Priest, Metallica until about 1990 or so, and even find some insight and value in specific Hip-hoppers like Matis Yahu and Immortal Technique (don't knock either of 'em if you haven't heard 'em).
Most other music in the last 30 years other than Punk leaves me cold. Disco, Rap, Techno, House, Hiphop, Triphop, Emo, Seattle Sound, etc... it's all product. There's little artistry to be found (with the rare exceptions like Prince, En Vouge, TLC, Divine).
I also like Hank Sr., Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, David Allan Coe and Robert Earl Keen.
I've often wondered what Crowley thought (if he thought of it at all) of composers contemporary to him like Edgar Varese...
When I sing, (and I do, at the constant request of my friends, occasionally for audiences up to 1000 and more as an opening act or guest on-stage with my *real* musician friends,) I sing dirty blues, bawdy songs, back-room ballads, salty shantys, and what you lot in the U.K. call "Rugby Songs" often variously accompanying myself on washboard, jaw harp, foot-cymbal and jazz horn (a 20's style of kazoo); I'm a proud amateur; I never had the eye-hand-finger-coordination as a kid to learn to play anything more than a bit of piano, but since I've had friends and family who are professional musicians all my life, I understand musical composition, some music theory, chord structure, could read and write music (once upon a time) and appreciate the various incarnations of the Terpsichorian muse, but I'm unable to learn how to play more than 8 chords on a Ukelele or Tenor Banjo, so I pretty much leave it alone.
tsardaniel - Jul 11, 2008 - 08:36 PM
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Nice diversity...the spice of musickal lfe.
I have one that stands above all the rest:
Music(k) is the Best: ZAPPA is king.
Walterfive wrote: › Well, muskically I'm very diverse. I have over 3000 CDs, and another 1500 or so LP records, and hundreds of music performance DVDs, Laserdiscs, and videotapes.
I like classical music like Mozart, Beethoven and Wagner, of course. I still play dozens of Showtunes from Musicals that I have done with various theatre companies in the pre-Army days of my youth like "Hair" and "Pippin" and "West Side Story". Musical comedy like Spike Jones, the Goons, Monty Python, Mick Conway, and all that Doctor Demento comedy pop stuff of the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's.
I *adore* old jazz like Bix Beiderbecke, Louis Armstrong's Hot Five and Jelly Roll Morton's Red Hot Peppers, 20's & 30's Jugband and Whoopee Music, Delta blues like Robert Johnson and Son House but also Piedmont Blues like Blind Boy Fuller and Barbecue Bob Hicks...
I like 50's/60's Lounge with the Rat Pack and Bobby Darin, and 50's Rockabilly and Rock & Roll, Eddie Cochran, Buddy Holly, pre-Army Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Bo Diddley, etc. but I also like classic rock like Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, the New York Dolls, and the MC5, appreciate so-called "Heavy Metal" like Sabbath, BOC, Rainbow, Judas Priest, Metallica until about 1990 or so, and even find some insight and value in specific Hip-hoppers like Matis Yahu and Immortal Technique (don't knock either of 'em if you haven't heard 'em).
Most other music in the last 30 years other than Punk leaves me cold. Disco, Rap, Techno, House, Hiphop, Triphop, Emo, Seattle Sound, etc... it's all product. There's little artistry to be found (with the rare exceptions like Prince, En Vouge, TLC, Divine).
I also like Hank Sr., Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, David Allan Coe and Robert Earl Keen.
I've often wondered what Crowley thought (if he thought of it at all) of composers contemporary to him like Edgar Varese...
When I sing, (and I do, at the constant request of my friends, occasionally for audiences up to 1000 and more as an opening act or guest on-stage with my *real* musician friends,) I sing dirty blues, bawdy songs, back-room ballads, salty shantys, and what you lot in the U.K. call "Rugby Songs" often variously accompanying myself on washboard, jaw harp, foot-cymbal and jazz horn (a 20's style of kazoo); I'm a proud amateur; I never had the eye-hand-finger-coordination as a kid to learn to play anything more than a bit of piano, but since I've had friends and family who are professional musicians all my life, I understand musical composition, some music theory, chord structure, could read and write music (once upon a time) and appreciate the various incarnations of the Terpsichorian muse, but I'm unable to learn how to play more than 8 chords on a Ukelele or Tenor Banjo, so I pretty much leave it alone.
tsardaniel - Jul 11, 2008 - 08:37 PM
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and the age is 41, BTX
Do What thou Wilt, and Nothing More
tsardaniel wrote: › Nice diversity...the spice of musickal lfe.
I have one that stands above all the rest:
Music(k) is the Best: ZAPPA is king.
Walterfive wrote: › Well, muskically I'm very diverse. I have over 3000 CDs, and another 1500 or so LP records, and hundreds of music performance DVDs, Laserdiscs, and videotapes.
I like classical music like Mozart, Beethoven and Wagner, of course. I still play dozens of Showtunes from Musicals that I have done with various theatre companies in the pre-Army days of my youth like "Hair" and "Pippin" and "West Side Story". Musical comedy like Spike Jones, the Goons, Monty Python, Mick Conway, and all that Doctor Demento comedy pop stuff of the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's.
I *adore* old jazz like Bix Beiderbecke, Louis Armstrong's Hot Five and Jelly Roll Morton's Red Hot Peppers, 20's & 30's Jugband and Whoopee Music, Delta blues like Robert Johnson and Son House but also Piedmont Blues like Blind Boy Fuller and Barbecue Bob Hicks...
I like 50's/60's Lounge with the Rat Pack and Bobby Darin, and 50's Rockabilly and Rock & Roll, Eddie Cochran, Buddy Holly, pre-Army Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Bo Diddley, etc. but I also like classic rock like Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, the New York Dolls, and the MC5, appreciate so-called "Heavy Metal" like Sabbath, BOC, Rainbow, Judas Priest, Metallica until about 1990 or so, and even find some insight and value in specific Hip-hoppers like Matis Yahu and Immortal Technique (don't knock either of 'em if you haven't heard 'em).
Most other music in the last 30 years other than Punk leaves me cold. Disco, Rap, Techno, House, Hiphop, Triphop, Emo, Seattle Sound, etc... it's all product. There's little artistry to be found (with the rare exceptions like Prince, En Vouge, TLC, Divine).
I also like Hank Sr., Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, David Allan Coe and Robert Earl Keen.
I've often wondered what Crowley thought (if he thought of it at all) of composers contemporary to him like Edgar Varese...
When I sing, (and I do, at the constant request of my friends, occasionally for audiences up to 1000 and more as an opening act or guest on-stage with my *real* musician friends,) I sing dirty blues, bawdy songs, back-room ballads, salty shantys, and what you lot in the U.K. call "Rugby Songs" often variously accompanying myself on washboard, jaw harp, foot-cymbal and jazz horn (a 20's style of kazoo); I'm a proud amateur; I never had the eye-hand-finger-coordination as a kid to learn to play anything more than a bit of piano, but since I've had friends and family who are professional musicians all my life, I understand musical composition, some music theory, chord structure, could read and write music (once upon a time) and appreciate the various incarnations of the Terpsichorian muse, but I'm unable to learn how to play more than 8 chords on a Ukelele or Tenor Banjo, so I pretty much leave it alone.
BlueKephra - Jul 11, 2008 - 10:29 PM
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Scriabin's "Poem Of Ecstacy" is on the First Night Of The Proms next Friday, bbc2
Raven - Jul 12, 2008 - 08:07 AM
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If Crowley were still alive today I believe that he would loudly play and endorse Celine Dion, David Hasselhof and Chris de Burgh. But his particular favourite would have to be Cliff Richard.
Perhaps Liber Jugorum would be particularly effective if Agadoo or the Birdy Song were used to yoke the Will.
Etu_Malku - Jul 13, 2008 - 04:40 PM
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Isn't everyone here really discussing just music?
Musick is more of the metaphysical aspects of sound and vibration.
Walterfive - Jul 14, 2008 - 05:42 PM
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tsardaniel wrote: › Nice diversity...the spice of musickal lfe.
I have one that stands above all the rest:
Music(k) is the Best: ZAPPA is king.
I saw Zappa three times, once in Frankfurt Germany in 1984, and twice in Boston in 1989 (IIRC) on his "Broadway The Hard Way" Tour (I shook Ike Willis' hand the second night, during the break, he signed my ticket too!).
Frank was amazing. Not only could he play beyond the ability of all but a handful of jazz & rock guitarists, but he could *compose* exactly what he heard in his head and communicate it to other musicians through writing a musical score, or to a computer through a computer/musical instrument known as a Synclavier. But Frank didn't buy into all this Kozmic Debris...
Chrischibnall - Jul 16, 2008 - 10:32 AM
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I used to be very interested in classical music and was especially keen on Wagner, Bruckner, Elgar and Scriabin. However, on a lighter note, I also liked Gilbert and Sullivan, as I suspect did Crowley, since there are occasional quotations from their operettas in his works. Nowadays my tastes are decidedly more middle-to-low-brow. A few years ago, I got into 20s and 30s dance band and swing. The Savoy Orpheans, Jack Payne, Henry Hall, Al Bowlly, etc. Nowadays my tastes are a bit more modern... 50s and 60s lounge, the Rat Pack, exotica. My favourites at the moment are Martin Denny, Robert Drasnin, Les Baxter and Yma Sumac. I would imagine that Yma Sumac would interest a lot of people here. Possessed of an amazing five-octave vocal range, she's been described as "the singer with a nightingale and a jaguar in her throat": I think she would have interested Crowley in a "scarlet woman" kind of way, and in my experience it is women who tend not to like her... perhaps jealous of her feminine power? A poster over at Tiki Central (recommended) once said something along the lines of "my wife won't let me play Yma Sumac because she's convinced she is a Peruvian witch and her music is evil... I won't be letting her smoke that stuff again".
If you get just one of her albums, get "Voice of the Xtabay": it contains her hit "Virgin of the Sun God", AND the music is by Les Baxter... definitely a two-genius production!!