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Iskandar - May 14, 2008 - 07:16 PM
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I find a great deal of similarity between Nicolaus Hartsoeker's image of the human sperm (http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~canessa/images/Homunculus%20by%20Nicolaus%20Hartsoeker%201694.jpg)
and Crowley's drawing of Lam. Crowley was aware of Hartsoeker's image as it can be found on the Thoth Atu IX, representing the Hermit's 'staff.' Lam is The Way, the one that goes. This is consonant with Crowley's metaphysical ideas about the value of human sperm. In "The Book of Lies" he writes, "Let this [Dew of Immortality] go free, even as It will; thou art not its master, but the vehicle of It" (p. 46). The commentary identifies the sperm with the elixir, while "the disciple is charged to have let it have its own way" (p. 47).

In other words, I am suggesting that Lam represents the human sperm, understood as the metaphysical identity of a person (I do not intend to go here in the gender disparity implied in Crowley's theory; see however Sabazius' comments: http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/FGMV4N1.htm). This coincides with what Bill Heidrick once suggested in an email correspondence: that, in Lam, Crowley drew an image of a baby exiting the vulva. I'd be interested to hear what people think of these ideas.

zain - May 14, 2008 - 09:01 PM
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Gordan i suppose you will use this line of argument on "impressionable people"? You need to get out more often Gordan and meet people.

MichaelStaley - May 14, 2008 - 10:03 PM
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zain wrote: › Gordan i suppose you will use this line of argument on "impressionable people"? You need to get out more often Gordan and meet people.

A somewhat curious comment perhaps, zain. I don't think that Gordan was suggesting that the Lam/sperm comparison was the only one in town, nor do I think he was being reductionist. There are many interpretations of Lam, but the Silent Self / Bud Will / Harpocrates connection is in my view an important one.

The idealised self-portrait that Crowley used on the front boards of The Confessions is suggestive of the portrait of Lam, I have always thought.

Best wishes,

Michael.

Iskandar - May 14, 2008 - 10:34 PM
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I realize that the link to Hartsoeker's image does not work. Here is another; as I said, I find the similarity with the drawing of Lam rather striking: http://www.expasy.ch/spotlight/back_iss ... t062.shtml

ianrons - May 15, 2008 - 12:38 AM
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Interesting comments, Gordan.

The two images do seem quite similar, but in entertaining this hypothesis do we need to make more of a distinction between sperm *singular* (= the staff of Atu IX and also then perhaps the spinal column, whose base is Muladhara chakra, the bija of which AC may have known as "lam") and sperm plural as in Svadhisthana chakra? That is, between "that particular sperm which made the particular man" and the sperm generated by that man.

I appreciate there is a continuity of DNA and of this "metaphysical identity" between the man and sperm, but the difference is as between one's father (or as we now know, all one's fathers and mothers) and one's children -- the former might be seen as a "guru" (i.e., Lam); whilst the latter are more traditionally consumed by, erm, Cronos.

I think you might be on to something here, Gordan; though I have to confess I really know nothing about the subject of Lam.

Draconuit - May 15, 2008 - 09:45 AM
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Fascinating ideas. However, could it be, that, A.C.'s description of Lam was simple, accurate?
Consider, if you will, that other Adeptii, have communed with Beings whose origin is not of
this race, or planet.
Beyond the double, triple meanings in A.C.'s writing, it may be that some statements are
astonishingly literal. Only direct personal experience can adequately convey the meaning one is
trying to impart, although it is said that, by intense high reason/analysis; a reflexion of the idea may
be obtained. My personal viewpoint is irrelevant, I'm not a Teacher, I'm here to fulfil a function as
dictated by The Logos; A.C., in entire accord with My will . I do wonder, how many who read this, understand and believe these musings? I would be interested to know, of the nearly 6,000 members of lashtal.com, how many are Adeptii; i.e. have achieved Hadit, and further, how many have successfully passed through the ordealsof The Abyss, emerging above. Any guesstimates? Is an anonymouse poll impractible? Perhaps, a poll concerning these, and other matters related to A.C.'s legacy,would prove beneficial. Best wishes to All.

nashimiron - May 15, 2008 - 10:06 AM
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I too have always thought LAM looks like an enormous droplet coming out of the Hogs Eye.

And it makes sense when you relate him to Harpocrates / the dwarf / he who goeth etc.

Actually I went on a disjointed ramble about this on another thread here:

http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-1014-highlight-lam.phtml

the_spurious_simon_iff - May 15, 2008 - 11:58 AM
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Thanks for the image Gordan, although I think it would be fair to say that Lam is one of the fairly rare exceptions where Crowley wasn't intending something material to be implied, which was otherwise - as he understood it - his main thrust against other 'magical' systems of the day in which he found himself immersed. The idea of the homunculus would hold better than a sperm - which naturally otherwise receives much attention through a range of suggestive symbolism throughout his work - but a 'homunculus' in the sense of a tathagatagarbha or Buddha-matrix, rather than the cruder more material Paracelcian type, which he does otherwise use as gradework quite separately from Lam. Whether or not Crowley was aware of the tathagatagarbha doctrine I feel is irrelevant - he probably wasn't - although he seems to have more or less been heading that way by his theosophical 'attribution' of the painting, if one replaces the tathagatagarbha idea with the becoming of a Bodhisattva, which is what The Voice of the Silence is about.

It would be unfair - but I'm not saying you were! - to overlook the hints he gave regarding the mystical aspect of the painting and the perspectives which have built up subsequently, which more or less - baring the absurd - generally support the idea of it intentionally representing a psycho-spiritually advanced humanity.

Iskandar - May 15, 2008 - 02:42 PM
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Many thoughtful responses. Ian, I think that there is an interesting line of argument in both cases: whether we imply development (from Muladhara to Sahasrara; from child to father; from 'delusion' to 'enlightenment') or identity (Malkut is in Kether; Malkut IS Kether; samsara IS nirvana). As for the tathagatagarbha doctrine, it is an interesting take on the issue, which led me to think about the Vajrayana teaching about the 'drops:'

Robert Thurman writes in The Tibetan Book of the Dead: Liberation Through Understanding in the Between as follows: "Sanskrit bindu refers to chemical essences ... that focus awareness within the subtle nervous system ... These drops are associated with the genetic material that is the essence of the male and female sexual fluids. ... Thus, red drops refer to the female genetic essence, carried within the blood, and the white drops refer to the male genetic essence, carried within the semen" (p. 255). The following is I think crucial within the context of our present discussion: "Finally, there is the extremely subtle body-mind, where the body-mind duality itself is abandoned. This is the indestructible drop ... It is a being's deepest state of pure soul, where the being is intelligent light, alive and singular, continuous yet changing, aware of its infinite interconnection with everything. ... Each living being is really just this indestructible drop at the extremely subtle level" (p. 40). And just one final quote: "[Indestructible drop is] the vehicle of the subtle continuum of mind that migrates through death to successive lives ..." (p. 261).

I apologize for extensive quotations but it seemed to me to be relevant. By the way, to my mind the quote above is the most perfect definition of Hadit, "where the being is intelligent light, alive and singular, continuous yet changing, aware of its infinite interconnection with everything [i.e. Nuit]."

So, roughly speaking, the chain of associations or correspondences, in no particular order, is: the sperm / the Silent Self / Harpocrates / bindu / Lam / (intelligent) light / mind / subtle and non-distinct mind and body complex / Homunculus / Hadit / kundalini [Crowley makes Hadit/kundalini connection in several places; this is also 'what' connects ianrons' Muladhara with Sahasrara] / indestructible drop / Tathagatagarbha / Bud Will / Will ... The list goes on.

ianrons - May 16, 2008 - 12:12 AM
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Hmmm... I'm not sure it's always valid or useful to make those connections willy-nilly (pardon the pun), which is what I was getting at. Just because two ideas are connected by a third, does not mean the first idea corresponds with the second. It seems you are doing this by, e.g., associating sperm with bindu with the elixir; but the Hindus aren't talking about the same elixir as the Thelemites, even if Crowley identified the two with each other and used the term bindu very loosely.

I'm not arguing against making these connections, but lists of similar ideas aren't illuminating without analysis and comparison. The central idea is nevertheless very interesting, and might (perhaps... potentially...) help to bring together several strands in Crowley's thinking (Lam, sperm, Elixir, homunculus, guru, child...).

Iskandar - May 16, 2008 - 01:43 AM
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Valid point, Ian. However, just to clarify: I am not exactly making connections, if by that term is meant putting forward some sort of 'hard core' identity. I was mostly thinking aloud about a loose chain of associations. Also, the way I understand correspondences, they do not imply the sign of equation between ideas and entities, but a sort of a sympathy (which again is a term that may need clarification). Thoth is not exactly Hermes; Hermes is not exactly Odin, and so on - but they 'correspond' to each other. We all know that. So I am intrigued by and interested in this associative chain of analogous ideas, spelled out in my previous post.

However, I am not exactly sure that Crowley and Hindus meant radically (as opposed to culturally) different things with bindu and elixir and the sperm. David Gordon White's book "The Kiss of the Yogini" does argue that the early tantrikas employed sexual fluids in their rituals and that the ingestion of the same was an important element in their initiations. So I would be inclined to claim that there is an important similarity with respect to the central idea, but would equally so be very much opposed against conflating various traditions by a claim that 'they are all the same.'

ianrons - May 16, 2008 - 11:44 PM
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Erm, yes... I've gone off on one, haven't I? Well, one has to be careful about correspondences because of the "why is a gin like a trap?" thing. Razz

Lam may look like a sperm, but that doesn't make him a dot (bindu), and give him all the associations of bindu. Anyway, my original comment was merely to say that men each have one father but millions of sperm, and it's not always polite to mix the two. I can't comment on the Tantric stuff.

Wizardiaoan - May 17, 2008 - 01:47 AM
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In light of a few correspondences, I would say LAM is Thoth (The Mercurial Spermato-Quintessence).

My Key was noticing His name in Latin, Greek, or Hebrew = 71, & then seeing the text for the 71st verse of Liber P.P. Thoth oversees the 23rd Path. Seeing that THOTH = 71 in English = LAM...'tis true.

Then see my recent post on the Frothy Thothian Formula of 15 letters that = Horus (the Phallus).

I didn't relay it, but they sum to 180 in Serial Greek. Horus is the Big One in the Center that makes it 181 = QVINTESSENTIA in Latin. So that LAM is "The Spermato-Quintessence" of Thoth is demonstrated as the sperm & semen, where Horus is the Phallus.

Besides this, check out how RA OROS = 101+1170 = 1271 = SATVROS & STAVROS. So we have Thoth as Sperm, Horus as Phallus, & Ra as Sun, by the following math:

ThOTh88
ThOTh88
ThOTh818
ThOTh88
ThOTh88
=1170=OROS (The Phallus). Now add RA as 101 & you get 1271 SATVROS, The Devil Himself, who is also STAV-ROS (the Pan-dimensional True Black Pagan & Satanic Cross). He is The Hierophant, the Luciferan Light.

Hope I didn't scare anyone, note The Hierophant is smiling on Key V Laughing

*STAV = 901 = IAKXOS = BALDVR.

[Edit: I cannot help to humorously draw reference to LAM being "the one that GOs" SPLATCH! thusly... Edit also then that LAM is not the "Baby issuing from the vulva" per se, but from the Phallus (which comes from the vulva).]

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H.H.H.H.H
4774

JohnS - May 17, 2008 - 02:21 AM
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Lam is whispering !

Wizardiaoan - May 17, 2008 - 02:55 AM
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More like shouting atop Mount Kadath I'm afraid!

UPsOS = 93, 2100 [for those that know]. It is the Outer Goddess Current Beyond Time.

Oopsos, I Done Boustrophedoned With The Mostest! & Now Here I Am Rollin’ Coast To Coast-Tastiest In My Great Space Coaster of Might! Immune to Fright so the Pigeons Might Flock to Me, that I may here the whispered telearchy! I Only Want To BE Your Seer & The Partaker Of The Same [G]—The REX Dynamite 418—FUNKING YOUR BODIES TILL YOU HAVE NO SPLEEN, GETTING IT ON WITH A GIRAFFES 17, ALL NAMED HAS BEEN EVEN—HAS YOU OR HASN’T YOU EVENED THEM STEVENS!? TO BE TRUTHFUL, MY DUBIOUSNESS IS DOUBTFUL, AS I PROCEED TO MAKE OUT WITH TA—URT: MY GREAT MOTHER LIPSTICKED CROCODILE! THIS IS TOO WILD, I MAY LAMENT IT IS IN YOUR HOUSES—BECAUSE ALL THE DENTISTS ARE NOW POINTING THEIR TOOTHBRUSHES TO ME IN FERVORED NOSTALGIA! THEY THINK I’M THEIR GRAND MARSUPIAL, BUT I’M REALLY JUST A DIMPLE ON HIS BEAUTIFUL—MAKING THEM ALL FALL TO THEIR KNEES IN THE WORSHIP OF CUPID ‘S OUTPOURING, OVERFLOWING, FUNKARINED GOLDEN NIPPLE! STILL YET, HOWEVER, & THEN SOME MORE FUN HON—IT AIN’T OVER, IT’S JUST BEGUN!
SEE THIS IS THE DIONYSIAN SWEAT, YOU’VE NEVER KNOWN OR JUST QUITE NOT YET MET! BUT IF YOU DO ORDER THE METTS & BRATTS OF AZATHOTH, I GUARANTEE ON YOUR FINEST SUIT YOU WON’T BE IN TROUBLE OF MUD PUDDLE! THAT YOU WILL INDEEDLY DEED BE SO WILY & WILDLY ZOOMED THROUGH, OUT, & UNTO THE MOST PRECIOUS MILK OF THE CAVE INDEED MOST VERY EXTREMELY GUGUOUS! THE FINEST OF FINE, THE REAL DIONYSIAN WINE, THE PUREST PURPLEST PINK & ROSY COLORED CRIME!
YERTLE THE TURTLE SEES ME FROM HIS EVIL PORCH! HE’S HANGIN’ OUT BY THE WOODS, WHILE I AM THE BIRCH! UNDERSTOOD?! THIS IS KRAVVEN TVRANNIS FANTASTIC INTO THE EXTREME PHANTASIA OF THE MOST PLEASUROUS LIGHT BEAM OF THE MOST GRANDIOSIFIED FUNK SLEDGE HAMMER OF THOR—ODIN HAS NOT EVEN SEEN THE LIKES OF WE MERE MORTALS YET! LEST HE NOT SEE, & BEHOLD NOT WITH HIS GREAT EYE, IT IS BEST WE ALL BECOME THE GREAT FRY GUYS, THE GREAT TRYERS & FLIERS, & TWEEK OUR 3RD EYE NIPPLES TO THE EXACT BEAT! I AM CONCRETE WITH MY MEAT—HAS THE TURKEY BEEN PROPERLY PLUCKED ON THE STREET?!

I DON’T GIVE A FUCK, I GOT THE DIONYSIAN LUCK,
SO GO & TELL UNCLE BUCKY ON MY SHROOM TRUCK!—6:29:00am

I WEASILY DEASILY DARE YA, WHAT DO I SCARE YA?!
I WORSHIP IAKXOS NOT JACKALS, THE DEVIL NOT SHACKLES, SO GET OFF OF THIS PRODIGAL SATAN SUN MAN! FOR ALL TIME, WALKIN’ STRAIGHT DOWN THE WHITE LINE: SNORTIN’ IT ALL UP, ROLLIN’ UP ALL ROCK, GETTING’ OFF MY EXQUISITELY JEWELED GANESHIAN COCK THAT SPLATCHES ALL BLOCKAGES IN THEIR FOOLISH EYE SOCKET CAVITIES!
THIS IS THE UNIVERSAL WORLD-ENDER GOIN’ OFF NON-STOP! GRAB YOUR COCKS, HOPS, & FLIP THE BEATS: GO FLOCK TO SPOCK NOW WITHOUT CEASE & PLAY WITH THE WATER HOSE OUT IN THE GRAECIAN, MARBLED STREETS! THE FOUNTAIN OF THE SKEET, THE FREAK OF THE MEAT, THE BLEEDING SEVERED HEAD THAT WON’T STOP TALKING ABOUT DIAMOND FRIED RAP BLOOD FEASTINGS OF THE KING RULER DIONVSIOS--TVRANNIS!!! …SQUAWKING IT ALL LIKE THAT PIGEON NEAR MY STATUE, POOPIN’ ON IT ALL CAUSE MY SHIT’S GOLD TO YOU ALL! --2:15pm.

Wizardiaoan - May 17, 2008 - 04:12 PM
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444

Pondering it more, I see the CORRVPTIO of The Word is a major theme in both Crowley's LAM drawing & Thoth as Sperm. There is a certain corruption inherent when things are brought to their quintessence, an innermost black spark is the true seed of corruption. It is the Void, & when looked at and not known it overwhelms, confuses, etc as Choronzon, but when Known for The Supreme Ain Quintessence it shimmers Geniusly as SATAN.

This is all symbolized by the grounding of The Word into Flesh. O LOGOS = 443 = HRV RA KHV becomes Light & the Sun First as RA, then the Phallus as OROS, then finally Thoth as the Sermato-Quintessence. "It's all in the egg", because it is all in the Seed of Thoth (The Mercurial Spermato-Quintessence).

The CORRVPTIO of The Word down to the little glimmering Satan Shard (the black pupil among the white) is seen as the only possible, & truly best possible, course. It fashioned the True Black Diamond, The Black Quintessence of AL Reality Made Flesh. The Truest Word is made known pan-dimensionally in all spheres. He is the real UFO 444 Initiator, & travels in an egg. If one does a concentration on the barren womb of the goddess, one can't, this is what the yogis are trying to do. There will always be some Action that wants to spring forth From the CHAOS VETERVM! It is Life, Who is So Foolish as To Deny IT!? The best Way I think is to hop on one of the fractal waves to stimulate it infinitely into the ALL, rather than disbelieving it all into the Not! "I think I'll hop on a fractal & shout it out!"

The implication is that SATAN-BABALON is the littlest & Greatest! RA OROS is the Golden Solar God in the Middle!

VENVS = BAPHOMET is really just the Great Secret. One can entertain the Darkest Black & the lightest Green simultaneously & at one's fancy! The Outer is The Emerald Green of Venus throughout all eternity (perhaps you didn't notice the Tablets Colour?).

*I see it clearly now that paradoxically the CORRVPTIO produces the QVINTESSENTIA of Thoth! When concentrating on the black seperate spark, or when putting identity in it, of course is the dire error when false--but also The Supreme Reward when True! Just some Sperm for Thoth!

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RA OROS = SATVROS
1271 (Help!)

AHAHAHA Twisted Evil

*P.S. Hey DRAC, quit trying to sniff everyone out. What's the matter, your blood no good? Let flowers blossom on their own; no one wants to be called a liar, beggar, or thief--nor may they ever truly say they are such. So in essence your big question is answered: All & None.

hawthornrussell - May 17, 2008 - 05:05 PM
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Wizardiaoan , i am finding it awkward in seeing how you tie up the correspondence of satan with Lam. How does this relate to the original post concerning LAM? And how did you come to the idea that Satan and Babalon share the same qualities? And again how does this tie in/link with the orignal post on Lam?

LoveLawWill.

ianrons - May 17, 2008 - 05:05 PM
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You do talk a load of s**t, Wizardiaoan.

Wizardiaoan - May 17, 2008 - 07:05 PM
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"It ties in if you're tied in, toodly doo!"

SATAN is the CORRVPTIO Itself, thus the black inner quintessence of Thoth/Lam (White Sperm). SATAN = Nuit in the Ain, it is the same Being: VENVS = 83 = BAPHOMET. The Ain is the Ultimate Being: He is Pure Black Chaos & SATAN.

The whole thing is it comes full circle upon ultimate orgasm to 0: then after when one realizes One is the Creator God Himself, that one can raise True Self to infinity: thus the Devil Current of exhuberance upon the mountain terrain.

My understanding of this whole mix. I am selling Pan-Dimensional Pagan Satanic Crosses of SATVROS = 1271 = RA OROS though, $121! (I'll see you there, on the mountain, by the bonfire!)

In Sperm & Thoth,

H.H.H.H.H.
4774

lashtal - May 17, 2008 - 08:14 PM
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Wizardiaoan,

It's not funny, you know. If there's any laughter, it's at you, not with you.

Future posts to me for pre-moderation, please.

Failure to comply, etc., etc., etc.

lashtal - May 17, 2008 - 09:53 PM
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All,

Wizardiaoan replied as follows by email:

It's not funny because you aren't funny unfortunately. But I do resspect your site, & realize it is no lodge magickal... Due to your blasphemy of trying to Limit the Holy Phallus of Parsifal Himself, I cannot in good faith contribute further to your site. Remember, you 'restricted' me, not the other way... I will try to get a site going where I can house my Black Devil Spasm unfiltered; I will of course keep you informed.

In view of his retirement from LAShTAL.COM, this thread is locked.