Magick - Helping someone astral project Zaden - May 17, 2008 - 05:04 AM Post subject: Helping someone astral project
In either (or both?) Book 4 or Magick without Tears Crowley speaks of it being advantageous to learn to astral project with someone experienced at it. Do any of you have experience with astral projecting with someone? As in, they walk you through it?Arianwen - May 17, 2008 - 05:54 AM Post subject: RE: Helping someone astral project
It's funny, I just finished replying to a similar question on another site.
Keep in mind that in Crowley's lifetime; astral projection was a very new concept in the western world. I think he was trying to prevent someone new to the techniques from having a bad experience-like a safety net. You can probably get enough info beforehand in this day and age to where you're comfortable trying it alone.
I myself have not experienced astral projection 'with someone'; nor do I have enough experience that I feel qualified to teach another. I can, however, suggest a site which may be able to assist you in learning some techniques:
They offer a free online course-while I have not taken it- it appears they are in international organinzation-for whatever that's worth. And usually non-profits aren't out to scam people-at least from my experience, anyway, lol. Good Luck-you're about to enter a whole new way of seeing things!annolumina - May 17, 2008 - 10:45 AM Post subject: RE: Helping someone astral project
A handy site. And this seems like a good thread to re-post a question I asked a while back but which didn't get an answer:
Forgive if this is a dumb question. I have been trying to project - in the out of body Muldoon sense rather than the astral plane sense - for a while, and decided to make a Spare type sigil to help. But to make such sigils work I understand it is necessary to erase the aim of the sigil from consciousness, so should I stop all my bedtime relaxation and visualisation excercises for aiding projection on the grounds that doing so puts the aim into my conscious intention. ( I haven't had much verifiable success with any sigils, frankly ).
On the few occasions on which I have experienced a Muldoonish OOBE projection, it has followed the Muldoonish pattern. Wake up, out of body, with the 'silver cord' from the back of the OOB head to the sleeping-in-bed physical head. All of these projections have been brief, and I get dragged back into sleep after just a few minutes.
Hell, should I even be asking this question?? Asking the question puts the aim of the sigil in my conscious mind! Help!Nataraj418 - May 17, 2008 - 03:00 PM Post subject: Re: Helping someone astral project
Zaden wrote: › Do any of you have experience with astral projecting with someone? As in, they walk you through it?
1. Yes.
2. One can "try" to "walk" you through it, but that may or may-not work.
3. As AC said, the difficult part is probably going to be separating from the physical body.
4. Here is a technique that has always worked for almost anyone:
(a) You must start with a person who is able to easily slip out of their body (it's called "Astral Projection," and the person is called a "guru" or a "teacher" or an "adept" or an "accomplished projector," etc.).
(b) Then, of course, there must be a second person (the "student") who has not yet gotten out (or has, but is having difficulty doing it again).
(c) Give the "student" a liberal dosage of the power plant (or libation extract) of your choice. The "teacher" may or may-not require this, depending on his or her skill.
(d) After banishing and invocation, the teacher simply yanks the student out of his or her body. Repeatedly, if necessary, until the student can do it alone.
(e) Afterward, the student should find that he or she can do this without the support of a libation, although sometimes a few additional "supported" sessions might be necessary.
5. People can go "out" together, but both parties need to have the ability to get "out" on their own. In some cases, entire groups (composed of experienced individual members) can go to the same place. I am reminded of a group trip to the Wesak Valley in Tibet on the full moon in Taurus wherein 6 people all went to the same place and saw the same thing, and even interacted with each other while in that place.Zaden - May 17, 2008 - 05:13 PM Post subject: RE: Re: Helping someone astral project
Thank you all for the answers thus far. This is the line (from Liber O) that spurred this question:
"It may be added that this apparently complicated experiment is perfectly easy to perform. It is best to learn by "travelling" with a person already experienced in the matter. Two or three experiments will suffice to render the student confident and even expert. "-Liber O Section V.
So, for those of us with at least some astral experience, how would one "travel" with a less experienced student or companion? Any ideas?
Anno, perhaps your question would garner more response in a thread of it's own. It is a good question (sorry, no personal experience to advise you from here), but those who are not interested enough in this particular thread to open it, may be the very ones who could answer your question.Tiger - May 18, 2008 - 06:30 PM Post subject:
OOBE Topic
Well dare I announce I've had experiences stranger than a Muggle?
If you believe it or not "In This Dream we call the Living" (K.Grant)
I lay on my back during my bedtime relaxation and visualization exercises with open eyes see the red yellow green and blue dots between the dark spaces I would close my eyes and stay in that Asana until sleep half crept in. My eye lids would be closed but I could see I had to touch them to make sure they were closed. Then I learned how to slip out turning around looking at my body below, confusion set in wondering which is doing the looking.
After that stranger things ensued of which I keep silent and which made me stop my OOBE experiments. I still do my bedtime relaxation and some visualization exercises I tend more to get pulled or follow a magical thread when it occurs so to speak.
learn to astral project with someone experienced
What is safe ground ?
Once you begin to witness the strange and unbelievable the rational mind denies it or seeks to explain it on its own terms. Was it Hypnotism ? A ruse ? Dr Delgado, Mengele, CIA, KGB mind alteration techniques? Be careful.
If you are fortunate enough to meet an experienced Adept it definitely helps.
I've had Three though brief and fortunately or unfortunately survived.
Right Now out on the limb of Leng I've got some of Grants Grimoire to help me surf the astro etheric and happen chance on threads and vectors where several “orders” of reality converge and just witness the emanations and Refractions.
And of course the potency of Crowley manifesting here on Lashtal to give thanks for.
There's something to be said for winging it and doing your own work.
knowing what day and time it is, can be conducive but can be distractive, suspending it takes you out.
so much for my HookAhMaJookuM.
interesting questions.Joseph486 - Jul 01, 2008 - 12:11 AM Post subject:
I know a ceremony which can help awaken second sight and astral projection. If you wanted it I could mail it to you or simply express the desire to know it and ill post it on this forum.
93/93annolumina - Jul 02, 2008 - 10:48 AM Post subject:
Well, I haven't yet succeeded in a successful, intended OBE. But since no one has responded to my question in all the weeks since I posted it maybe I have succeeded in becoming invisible. Success is my proof.