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 Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 09:48 AM
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93, all!
I am interested in some opinions on the following:
Performing a Sex Magick Ritual without letting your sex partner know about this. Is this possible? Is it un-thelemic? Is it okay? Is it what?
Thanks in advance for any contributions.
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Greetings.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
If you perform a ritual in front of your partner without the person knowing what you are doing... probably she (or he) will think that you are crazy and will run away as soon as possible.
Your question raised more doubts in me than answers...
What is the intention of the ritual? what are the conditions surrounding it?
These kind of questions may be to much for your privacy or the privacy of the person you may be referring to.
I have some experience in Chaos Magick (and with sex, lol)... if you still wish my opinion I think a private message is more suitable (especially because I don't see much Thelema in my possible replie).
Love is the law, love under will.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 04:19 PM
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LUTZ & Wolf-
93!
My first response to this question is that it's, of course, respectful and just the plain ol' right thing to do to let your partner know what's going on...but then I stopped. And now I don't think so...necessarily! Engaging in sex is one action (albeit a powerful one). So is engaging in conversation. And Magick is not necessaily something which requires any full-blown ritual get-up to happen. Situations unfold and present all kinds of possibilities to the perceptive field. To decide that "no magick in sex without full consent" is your modus operandi is to then limit and restrict the flow of the spirit. It's a type of Restriction which is the Law of Sin..."Sin" against WHAT-? I'd say it's a sin against the freedom, agape and will of the cosmos as it moves in our body-minds.
Granted, a dual-working with both partners AWARE that something (ahem) "Magickal" is going down can yield up wonderful points of connection and wonderful results. But so can a joint-meditation or a ritual two people perform together at their kitchen table. And YET (having done all of the above), even the "joint-workings" remain experiences unique to ourselves, even when worked in unison with a definite passing of shared energy.
So, I guess we need to ask: WHAT do we mean by MAGICK? And what exactly is it that we're doing Magickally (and specifically while having sex)? I think we could argue that Vampirizing your partner or engaging towards some end which is fundementally opposed to that person's will or desire really isn't the Path of Thelema. But if Thelema is our Path and we are shooting for the Goals of Agape and Will (with all corresponding details and workings flowing in that direction), we are operating to change and expand our own experience (and thus, that of the Universe) rather than deceiving someone into being part of our low-level agenda. I'm not saying one's magick must be a vague mystical thing-but I find that the "results magick" which Chaos Magick focuses so much on (getting some money, overcoming a foe etc) ought to be cast in the Light of the Overall and Grand Movement of Will-the Cosmic Will as it manifests in our very individual dramas on Earth.
I suppose I consider the entirety of the Continuum and our every moment in it to be rife with Magick. It just changes and takes new forms continuously. Some with the "get up" and some quite hidden to even our own "outward eye." And if this is so, then every act ought to be "Unto Nuit" in as much as every moment is a coupling, a dynamic sex act in and of itself. And this also expresses itself in human relations but such are a continuace and shifting of power in the Whole.
Sticky topic, perhaps. My opinion is certainly subject to change! LOL!!!
I think asking your Angel is the best option.
HE'LL know what's OK! And then so will YOU! 
I've got to go...and get some money and overcome some foes! 
Agape, gents!
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Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 06:27 PM
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Greetings.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
I think kidneyhawk opinion of Chaos Magick as a little Bias...
Chaos Magick is mainly a tool, the first times I've performed Liber Resh and Liber Vel Jugorum in my mind I was a Chaos practicioner, if you consider the practices of some self labeled Thelemites (usually resumed in reading great books and having wonderful opinions...) what do you say?
But remaining in the_real_simon_iff question, talking about a ritual, sex and a second person who doesn't know about what is going on opens too many possibilities to have an opinion.
He can be referring to sending love to Nuit, I can be thinking about wild sex and kidneyhawk imagining a love passion.
Love is the law, love under will.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 08:00 PM
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93, Kyle and wolf354!
Thanks for your responses. For convenience let us just assume it is technically possible to perform a ritual without having your partner being aware of it. With partner I mean sex partner in this instance, so it doesn't have to be someone who is your "real" partner (sounds silly, but you know what I mean, don't you?), who probably wouldn't be "deceived" anyway. So, all the prepatory work of the ritual is being done in secrecy and the sex energy is used by you for a magical working while the sex partner is just aware of you two having sex. I think this is a plausible and possible scenario. Of course I am not really talking about agape or romantic love. Of course I am talking about sufficiently enough wild sex to raise sufficient Kundalini energy. And if Nuit fits, she might be adressed in this ritual. I hope I could explain the situation I think of. What do you think of such a thing? Is it a kind of betrayal? In any sense of the word? Is this a un-thelemic behaviour? Is it a kind of vampirism? Is it okay when - like Kyle suggested - there is no harm whatsoever to the unsuspecting sex partner? Or is it no "real" Sex Magick at all? Did AC say anything on this? Or are there any order regulations about this?
Just curious...
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Greetings.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
I can't see it as a betrayal to Thelema... but it may be a betrayal to yourself.
If it is you will pay for it, probably in an unexpected way.
And it doesn't really matter what I may say or any other person here (or elsewhere) because it will end up being your choice.
Wish you a good choice!
Love is the law, love under will.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 09:37 PM
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I don't think I could add a single word to those Wolf just wrote.
Wonderful post, 354!
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Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 09:50 PM
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I dont think sex magick means having a bit of fun behind your ladys back.
I find it hard to read things written about sex magick anyway, its all seems very complicated on paper.
You should come to a club I know where people piss on eachother, then you might be able to have a better understanding. |
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Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 11:00 PM
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the_real_simon_iff wrote: › Is it a kind of betrayal? In any sense of the word?
93.
Betrayal? Of who? As long as your not stepping on anyones Will I see no problem with it. (Good time to use your favorite divination method)
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Or is it no "real" Sex Magick at all? Did AC say anything on this? Or are there any order regulations about this?
If you read a certain copyrighted document you will see Crowley say (and I paraphrase here) It is possible, and might be necessary to not include the partner in the ritual. And Crowley found it to work just splendidly.
That said, My personal experience is that when the partner has no knowledge of it.. It's more of a solo sex magick ritual (The partner is just a very complex masturbation tool in this case ) and the "Gluten of the White Eagle" does not pack as much of a magical punch as a partner who fully involved in the ritual. |
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Posted: Dec 20, 2006 - 12:35 AM
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What is tricky here is one persons freedom ends where another person's freedom begins. And a partner is not an implement, its a human being with his or her own unique will and spirit and besides, you wouldn't use a friend's wand, or cup or sword without permission and without their knowledge, would you?
Personally, I feel the motive of not asking for consent in sex magick is not really all that different from not asking for consent in regular sex; just on a different plane. You are using something that really is for someone else to give without permission. Thats just me, though and who knows, I could be way off mark.
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Posted: Dec 20, 2006 - 03:25 AM
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Quote: › Did AC say anything on this?
From Confessions
"Each individual has an absolute right to satisfy his sexual instinct as is physiologically proper for him. The one injunction is to treat all such acts as sacraments."
Note Crowley's use of the singular: 'him' vice 'them'. That said, this quote seems a bit inconsistent with its use of 'sacraments' and 'instincts'. On the other hand, maybe this Jechidah - Nephesch union was intentional...hmmm...
John "a freak in a dime museum"
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Posted: Dec 20, 2006 - 06:19 AM
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kidneyhawk wrote: › LUTZ & Wolf-
93!
Agape, gents!
Greetings
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"Agape"!!! "Gents"!!!! Wherefore Greetings for our Sorors???
It may be pertinant when giving the Thelemic Greetings, to bear in mind, "That every man & every woman, is a Star".
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93, care fratres et sorores!
Thanks a lot for all the answers. A few clarifications from my side: I am definitely NOT looking for some "fun behind my lady's back". Au contraire, I guess it would be a lot easier and more fun to have a "regular" double-focused ritual. Also I am pretty sure I am in no need of any sex variations as presented in certain clubs, thanks badfreddy. The thing is that I recently found myself nearly in an "unwanted" or unplanned state of "kind of ritualistic sex" (meaning during "regular" sex I had very strong visions) and wanted some opinions if this is an issue anywhere or even an "officially" recognized form of ritualistic sex. So special thanks for the Crowley quotes. I always had the suspicion that his sex magick partners (especially during his America phase) couldn't possibly all have comprehended the notion of sex magick, even if they were informed that they were a part of it.
All the best also from my wife, we just celebrated our 22nd anniversary...
Love=Law (as usual that says it all best)
Lutz
P.S. Badfreddy, you are right. It always looks kind of stupid to post about something and having to include so many exclamation marks. And moreover, denying something in a post on the internet has the same effect as writing "this is something that happened to a friend of a friend of a colleague of mine"... |
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Lutz,
I'm more than a little disappointed by the quality of responses on LAShTAL.COM to your request for information.
Perhaps I'm naive, but surely we could have expected a better quality of response on this site to a serious question about sex magick than a suggestion that people pissing on each other will lead to "Understanding". It's right up there with the observation on another thread that the spiritually significant vesica piscis on the OTO lamen "looks like a cunt".
It's easy to overestimate the intelligence and maturity of other members. And it's all rather disappointing and depressing.
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lashtal wrote: › It's easy to overestimate the intelligence and maturity of other members. And it's all rather disappointing and depressing.
Whats sugesting a regular night club where fetishism is explored got to do with any lack of maturity? |
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Whats sugesting a regular night club where fetishism is explored got to do with any lack of maturity?
Well, my guess would be because it had NOTHING to do, really, with where Lutz was trying to go with this. I thought it to be a quite "off topic" suggestion myself.
Lutz, never ONCE did I read your post to imply some kind of "affair". I assumed you were speaking of a sexual ritual with your wife and I think it's pretty pathetic you were put in a position to had to even clear that up but then I also understand how even the slightest slant on an email/post can cause people to read things in a different way.
I didnt post on this topic because I really dont have a clear opinion on this myself. I thought your question was PERFECT for Lashtal to consider and looked forward to the replies myself. I have to agree with Paul in that some of them we're not really what i'd hoped for.
For what it's worth, heres my (somewhat) take on this. I dont think it's a big deal at all to perform some type of sex magick ritual and not inform your partner of this. As long as it's not hurtful to that person I dont see why one would have to inform their partner. I mean people fantasize about other people (besides their partners) all the time while having sex and nobody is the wiser. Is that mean? Is it fair? Well, I dont know. Maybe the old saying "what you dont know wont hurt you" could apply here.
HOWEVER in some types of sex magick you might WANT to inform your partner. For example, if you're raising sexual energies and want to evoke an entity using more than just the outer act.. i.e intonations etc.. your probably going to want to tell her before hand so she's not thinking you've lost your mind and force you into therapy. (LOL) So I guess it would really depend on the ritual, whether or not you'd HAVE to tell her. To get to the basic question you proposed however my opinion is no, you dont need to tell your partner.
I hope this has helped in some small way Lutz. I'm sorry I couldnt be more organized with my thoughts here. At work. 
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Hi Lutz,
First of all congratulations on having maintained a union with your Mrs for so long, I think it is wonderful, all the best to you both.
Second, I am quite glad that you have raised this line of enquiry as I am unsure about the ethics of sex magick myself.
I thought that was an interesting reflection made about Crowley's partners having been told but not being necessarily aware of the true nature of what they were partaking in. I think being single and not necessarily surrounding oneself with other Occultist's can be said to be quite similar to that scenario. Is it ok if you inform a person and they commit willingly? or?..etc
I am afraid I cant offer much by way of knowledge or advice for your situation as I havent enough experience, but I imagine that as long as your partner knows then I dont see the problem, especially as from what you are saying it was unintended?
Incidentally is she a practitioner? I dont know if that would make a difference, maybe ?
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Star-LOL! I was addressing both Lutz & Wolf specifically with the "gents" remark. And it was made made with a smile of Good Will. Lashtal.com as a whole seems to be dominated by men in terms of active forum posters and when some of the Sorors do speak, it is a very welcomed contribution....you'll note SubRosa's post came after mine. And I think it goes without saying that she's a Star Burning Bright!
As to Lutz's question clarification-I can only return to my very first comments, which addressed how Magick runs through ALL of our Life. I'm not trying to be vague or sentimental here...as one is open to the Current and consciously working with it, its energy resides in and ripples through our very being. It spontaneously emerges, as well as responds to directed efforts on our part to further fuel it.
The original question certainly evoked a brief discussion of ethical considerations and I think Lutz's last post has more than cleared this up as to the direction his question is leaning.
Crowley speaks quite a bit about not profaning the Talisman (wasting the semen) in The Law Is For All. I think these are GREAT pages to read regarding the use and power of both the energy and the climax/ejaculate. Obviously only a small percentage of this activity will result in the creation of a child, but Crowley states that EVERY orgasm/ejaculate produces a child of some sort on some plane. What and how that child will be is relative to what is brought into the act in the consciousness of the Magician.
What you describe is very familiar to my own experience and I feel no guilt or problem or issue with it-in fact, both my partner and myself have shared with each in retrospect many such occurences and experiences that were unaniticpated but clearly came to the fore. The results of these "children" is usually noted in my/our diaries, whether we chat about it or not. And I find that such things often are experiences which continue to take form and hold significance later on.
I think SubRosa brought up a good point...one might not feel so hot thinking they've been "used" as a tool for part of your own gig. But one might also be very intrigued and interested to have shared in a powerful experience (sensually alone) which they then discover has taken on a larger significance for you. In some ways, it may be seen as an honor and even deepen a sense of personal intimacy.
But this would all depend on so many things...how one's partner tends to feel about such things in general etc. I personally don't think one needs to overthink and draw such hard boundaries between the love shared, the desire expressed and the experience of the mind and soul in sex. And I think that Crowley (who certainly deserves as much consideration as criticism for the insights he labored hard to leave with those who'd follow) is very insightful in the Law is for All. One leaves his words with a sense that everything is alive-everything is Holy-and we are free to develop our powers to access that living stream in all its forms! Sex is certainly a natural power engine (one may say THE power engine) for such energy generation and release. What you describe seems to get even beyond a mental-determination to "Do thy Will" and interacts with WILL on a much larger level of consciousness.
Personally, I wish you greater and more wonderful openings of the Thousand Petaled Lotus!
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I don't think Aleister Crowley would docket the topic in this category at all-! And if he were here, I'm sure his own writing hands would have a few words to say on the topic.
Just a hunch.
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I think Adonia may have gotten to the heart of this, for me at least in that it does depend on what your intentions are.
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93 badfreddy,
Obviously your previous posts are unhelpful and intended more to disrupt than to enlighten. Therefore, please send all future posts to me via private message for pre-moderation.
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the_real_simon_iff wrote: › 93, care fratres et sorores!
The thing is that I recently found myself nearly in an "unwanted" or unplanned state of "kind of ritualistic sex" (meaning during "regular" sex I had very strong visions) and wanted some opinions if this is an issue anywhere or even an "officially" recognized form of ritualistic sex.
Just from that short statement it sounds to me what happened was similar to the effects of Eroto-comatose Lucidity (minus the coma part)
Quote: › So special thanks for the Crowley quotes. I always had the suspicion that his sex magick partners (especially during his America phase) couldn't possibly all have comprehended the notion of sex magick, even if they were informed that they were a part of it.
Very true.. if you look at the way Crowley described some of them (Prostitutes of the lowest sort, etc...) I find it hard to believe he was even capable of discussing it with them without zooming WAY over their heads.
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What is tricky here is one persons freedom ends where another person's freedom begins
Freedom? I'm not sure exactly what you are talking about. Will? How could someones freedom be affected?
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And a partner is not an implement, its a human being with his or her own unique will and spirit
Did you miss the What I saying was without both parties knowledge of the operation, it is in effect the same as a masturbatory sex magick working. (Not the sex, just the magick part of it) Yes there is a boost of energy over a true solo act but it's pretty small when compaired to one when both partners a fully involved in the operation.
Quote: › I feel the motive of not asking for consent in sex magick is not really all that different from not asking for consent in regular sex; just on a different plane.
You're entitled to your opinion but equating it to rape is way over the top IMHO.
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and besides, you wouldn't use a friend's wand, or cup or sword without permission and without their knowledge, would you?
I don't think that comparison works very well. In normal cases you just don't use other peoples magical tools. I would however use say normal hosehold items for magical purposes without their knowledge. It's a matter of putting to use something you already have access to, vrs something you don't normally have access to.
Gah I don't think I put that into words very well.. feel free to grill me on it if you don't understand what I'm saying. |
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Greetings.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
After reading the all thread my initial enthusiasm for posting some questions about the relation of Crowley with Sadomasochism got frozen.
I only found a few references to it in the book "Carnal Alchemy" but maybe it is better to wait some time... 
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Allo' Bonjour! Veinght-huit et tres!
I wanted to get an alternative point of view on this subject so I asked my common-law husband of two years (and best friend for  , as a Buddhist and definately not a Magician, how he feels about the subject. It's came up before but in terms of this thread. He knows that I practice and he's aware of what I do, why I do it and how, also what may be going on during sex. Oh, and I can thank him for translating the number 93 in French for me. Sounds beautiful, no? As far as Sex Magick, as so many people have said and he agrees, it depends on what sort of ritual you're doing, but as far as something totally internal, and I can only speak for my own experience and what works for me in my relationship, my partner has been made aware that this may be happening (thoughts, visions, mental evokations, etc.) during the act and he's okay with that. He may one day be open to a more outter ritual, but that is something which is specificaly not his Will at this time. So, in this case, and same goes if I hadn't asked him, trying something like that just wouldn't fly. And Magick being so uncommon in that form, like Adonia said, it would seem and I paraphrase, a little nuckin' futs.  The main point he holds is that a person sould still be into the Sex itself as a conjoined act between two people out of love and passion, and not to seperate themselves from that. We're definately not too shy about our personal lives and I hope that doesn't reflect badly on us here. I also hope this is a worthwhile contribution. This is just a living example of this situation and how it can happen, and also how its' been delt with.
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Post subject: Sex and Magick
Posted: Dec 21, 2006 - 02:35 AM
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
[Moderator note: removed copyrighted material. It was a limited portion of an unpublished copyrighted document, to which "fair use" could hardly be said to apply.]
Love is the law, love under will. |
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Posted: Dec 21, 2006 - 03:05 AM
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It is horrifyingly rare to find an Eagle genuinely capable of initiated co-operation
Any thoughts on why Crowley viewed the male and female dynamic this way with regards to magick?
I believe it's probably as close to factual as one can get with regards to the time it was written and also with regards to his own experience however I dont believe this to be factual at the present time.
I write this thinking of the occult interest amongst women today, the resources available, personal knowledge of such women occultists and of course my own magickal work. However I'm wondering if Crowley wasn't trying to suggest something about the "intrusion" of the female nature aside from her obvious biological role in the working. Did he feel that her female energies brought to the conscious level would create problems with the direction of the work?
As a woman I dont find a problem with the male component brought to awareness in such workings directed by me, the female magician. Is Crowley hinting at a fundemental conflict underlying the fundemental "fit" of the biological aspect of the work, which is best directed by something inherent in the male?
Love to hear some thoughts on this.
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Post subject: Sex and Magick
Posted: Dec 21, 2006 - 03:48 AM
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Dear Adonia444:
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
One might seek either wisdom of folly within Chapters 134 and 175 of Liber Aleph. Of course this will only throw additional kindling to the now ignited stake.
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Posted: Dec 21, 2006 - 04:16 AM
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93!
Crowley was a genius and in my opinion one of the greatest teachers we have to open up to ourselves, however, it is well known that Crowley did not hold women in high regard. Before I read these posts today, I was just thinking about how his life would have been much different if the people ( particularly women) that he encountered would have treated him a bit different. His first relationship with a female, his mother, brewed nothing more than contempt, from my interpretation and has set the stage for all his perceptions to come, paired with the fact, he obviously had sexual issues (closet homosexual) didn't help much to further his opinions, we need to take that into consideration especially women when studying and performing rituals, etc. dealing with sex, his work will be centered around himself, with little or no respect for the female aspect, this is where women can add to this and learn from it. I know we've gotten off subject, but to answer real_simon_iff, original question, in my opinion, Yes, you can definetly perform ritual (s) , etc. on in internal basis without your partner being the wiser, If I actually told my partner what I was doing, and why, By the time I explained everything the mood would have already passed.
∞Q
93, 93/93 |
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Post subject: Picture the scene
Posted: Dec 21, 2006 - 05:02 AM
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This thread has a serious undercu'nt, IMO.
She (who happens to have a voice like Monty Python's Brian's Mom)
Him (it could be Brian, why not? Except he is not shagging um. you know.)
She : "You're doing it again!"
Him : "No I am not."
She : "Yes you are, I just saw you! That qabalistic doo dah. With your finger."
Him : "No I wasn't."
She : "Never mind, get on with it. Bloody hell this is taking ages."
Him : "Aka duah"
She : "What did you say?"
Him : "Nothing."
She : "You're doing that bloomin magick again. Behind my back!"
Him (Gulp): "No I'm not."
She (sigh) : "Never mind. (pause) You know what sometimes I wish you bloody would."
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