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Post subject: Crowley's Children
 Posted: Feb 01, 2007 - 06:16 PM
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| I know Crowley fathered several children with several women over the course of several years. Does anyone know what happened to Crowley's children? |
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Posted: Feb 06, 2007 - 12:35 AM
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He is known what happened with most of its children, those Rose Kelly first Isis, Hecate, and later Lola Zasa died, the one of Leah Hirsig, Poupee, followed the same luck. Single Aleister Attaturk son of Deidre Mclellan followed with life, but it changed his full name by resentment, its sign after that is diffuse. You can obtain data on him in You Tube in the third part of documentary “the man but perverse of the world” that appears like “Masters of Darkness pt 3”, there is an interview to Deidre done in 1996.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVasoNn-jdQ
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Posted: Feb 06, 2007 - 08:34 AM
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To my knowledge, Aleister Ataturk (Crowley's last living offspring) died in a car crash years ago.
Curiously, I was just listening to a Lon Milo Duquette interview on Coast to Coast AM where a rather frantic sounding caller claimed he'd been personally steamed in a hypnotic espresso machine attack by a supposed "blood relative" of Crowley's around the year of 1990 in California. Amusing stuff, but highly highly improbable. On the other hand, I can now explain my twisted enjoyment of Starbucks to myself. |
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Posted: Feb 06, 2007 - 09:32 AM
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| A friend of mine went to university and was friendly with a great-great-great (I'm not sure how many) grand daughter of AC's. She and her family still used the name Crowley. It was Leeds University during the 1980s. I'm afraid, I've no further information and to be honest the family may not wish their details to be given out too freely. |
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Posted: Apr 18, 2007 - 06:07 PM
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| Lola died in 1990, if youre interested. She was Lola Hill by then as she married. She died in Reading. |
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Posted: Apr 18, 2007 - 07:07 PM
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| Why is there little or no mention of these children beyond their deaths in Crowley's writing? |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2007 - 08:52 PM
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| Why hasn't anyone done a complete study of his offspring? Such a thing would be a great book. |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2007 - 10:34 PM
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Erica wrote: › Why hasn't anyone done a complete study of his offspring?
They probably wanted their privacy.
If they were more public, They would have all the white witches of England trying to exorcise them. (someone with Crowley's blood has to be better PR than an old bed).
Reporters calling them for interviews every time there is some Satanist scare.
Crackpot occultists, or even just some heavy metal kids hounding them for who knows what reasons.
Conspiracy theorist picketing them to stop the NWO.
Really if I was Crowley's kid, I'd tell no one.  |
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Posted: Aug 11, 2007 - 11:10 AM
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I was gonna start another topic for this subject but i can't see the point. I too want to know more about crowley's children. I dare say he had many many offspring scattered about, and that he may have hated the commitment that children bring, but liked the idea of crowley offspring tomaybe carry on his legacy. However from reading this I realise a few didnt accept crowley as a father and rejected his legacy. And a good few had poor health and have died. the children I have come across are;
- Amado Crowley (nothing or very very little known about)
- Edward Crowley (seen a few articles on the net about him, apparently a son of crowley and convicted of murder)
- Isis (by Rose Kelly + deceased)
- Hecate (by Rose kelly + deceased)
- Lola Zasa (by Rose Kelly - changed her name but kept the name crowley - died 'Lola Hill')
- Poupee (by Leah Hirsig - had poor health and deceased)
- Aleister Attaturk (by Deirdre Mclellan - most information on him than any of the children - denounced his father and changed his name more than once and deceased) |
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Posted: Aug 11, 2007 - 11:34 AM
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| I don't know what really was in Crowley's mind, but yeah, I suppose he wasn't really fond of living a safe family life. I'd think he liked the idea of having a child in any case, if only because it's such a major thing in life, universe, etc, but at the same time he didn't want to give up his commitment to manly explorations and adventures. I find some of his stunts quite irresponsible. He took Rose and their one year old child through a long trip through the wilderness of China, left them in India and later in Confessions blamed Rose that their child had died. |
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Posted: Aug 11, 2007 - 11:38 AM
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ezrakudo wrote: › Edward Crowley (seen a few articles on the net about him, apparently a son of crowley and convicted of murder)
There was no son called Edward that I am aware of. On the other hand there was someone a few years ago who changed his name to Edward Crowley; he went on to murder someone, for which he was convicted and imprisoned. He was not related to Crowley, and I am surprised that you suggest that he was. |
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Posted: Aug 11, 2007 - 09:29 PM
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there is no link of the surname to the Great Beast, it IS a pretty common name especially in Ireland and even some people in occultism like Vivianne Crowley are not related. As Mike Staley wrote, the murderer mentioned above changed his surname by deed poll. My book (see news feed on this site, or www.occultebooks.com for more info ) covers Amado and his many claims to heredity
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Posted: Aug 12, 2007 - 12:34 PM
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| The attendees of NOTOCON just watched Eric Fuller, AC's grandson, play Jazz with hymenaeus beta. Quite a treat. |
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Posted: Aug 12, 2007 - 01:56 PM
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93,
I would much rather see a drama in which Mr. Fuiller pickpocketed H.B. for the O.T.O. rights and ran. 
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Posted: Aug 12, 2007 - 02:21 PM
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Azidonis wrote: › I would much rather see a drama in which Mr. Fuiller pickpocketed H.B. for the O.T.O. rights and ran.
Er, thanks...I suspect you've missed the core of a very interesting tale so I'll ask the obvious questions in my next post... |
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Posted: Aug 12, 2007 - 02:23 PM
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Schaard wrote: › The attendees of NOTOCON just watched Eric Fuller, AC's grandson, play Jazz with hymenaeus beta. Quite a treat.
Fascinating! Please give us more details. What instrument did Eric play? In what way is he related to Crowley? |
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Posted: Aug 12, 2007 - 02:58 PM
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lashtal wrote: › Azidonis wrote: › I would much rather see a drama in which Mr. Fuiller pickpocketed H.B. for the O.T.O. rights and ran.
Er, thanks...I suspect you've missed the core of a very interesting tale so I'll ask the obvious questions in my next post...
93,
Oh yes. My apologies. I'm not sure why, but well... okay, I'll leave my personal opinions out of this... okay maybe not. I just thought it was funny.
So is this the same Eric Fuller?
http://cdbaby.com/cd/visualcliff2
I really will, seriously try to refrain from such posts in the future. Again, sincerest apologies, Paul.
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Posted: Aug 14, 2007 - 06:34 AM
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lashtal wrote: › Schaard wrote: › The attendees of NOTOCON just watched Eric Fuller, AC's grandson, play Jazz with hymenaeus beta. Quite a treat.
Fascinating! Please give us more details. What instrument did Eric play? In what way is he related to Crowley?
It seems that Eric is the grandson of Crowley, through some woman at Cefalu. I know you guys aren't going to be happy with that explication, but I honestly didn't understand what was said on the mic. Look for the notocon post-event literature and I am sure you'll have all the details you need.
Eric Fuller was an extremely respectable individual. His jazz piano is absolutely spectacular. Also, as a person, and I did spend a bit of time with him, he's extremely personable with a horribly dark sense of humor (imagine that, eh?) Honestly, grandson of AC or not, his cd is most likely worth purchase. He hung out with us for a couple of days afterwards and we all had a blast. |
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Posted: Aug 14, 2007 - 09:27 PM
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Eric Muhler, son of Astarte Lulu Panthea (via Ninette Shumway and Aleister Crowley, see the dedication to Diary of a Drug Fiend)
Eric's website is http://www.ericmuhlerjazz.com/ |
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Posted: Aug 15, 2007 - 11:57 AM
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93,
One thing I've noticed (it's not so hard) about Crowley's children is the young untimely deaths. The idea arises then, that perhaps the drug use came into play with all of that. Any thoughts, fictional or factual?
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Posted: Aug 15, 2007 - 06:38 PM
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Azidonis wrote: ›
One thing I've noticed (it's not so hard) about Crowley's children is the young untimely deaths. The idea arises then, that perhaps the drug use came into play with all of that. Any thoughts, fictional or factual?
I don't know how much this issue was a factor to his drug use. In any case, it's quite clear from The Fountain of Hyacinth (http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib93.htm) that was quite deeply moved by the death of Poupée at the time he was struggling with his addiction.
"N.B. Part of my plan in coming here is to dig up the bitter memories which have been killing me. I was so happy and hopeful here two years ago; and now my little Poupe(ace)e has been dead over a year and her little brother never came to birth; and my manhood in part is crushed"
"The day had been one of anguish. Poupee peeped from every alley in the forest. I think of her now without the least tendency to emotion of any kind at all; it is even hard to remember that I ever regretted her for an instant." |
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 - 02:30 PM
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Azidonis wrote: › 93,
One thing I've noticed (it's not so hard) about Crowley's children is the young untimely deaths. The idea arises then, that perhaps the drug use came into play with all of that. Any thoughts, fictional or factual?
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My thoughts are that the infant mortality rate was much higher then than it is now, and that even a simple cut could lead to septisimia or tetanus. People died much younger and faster in those days. There was no miracle-drug like penicillin back in Crowley's heyday. Viral infection from impure food or drinking water was much more common as well, of course. I'd reccomend the book The Good Old Days--They Were Terrible! by Dr. Otto L. Bettmann for a well-researched book on the subject. |
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Post subject: Edward Crowley
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 04:39 PM
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MichaelStaley wrote: › ezrakudo wrote: › Edward Crowley (seen a few articles on the net about him, apparently a son of crowley and convicted of murder)
There was no son called Edward that I am aware of. On the other hand there was someone a few years ago who changed his name to Edward Crowley; he went on to murder someone, for which he was convicted and imprisoned. He was not related to Crowley, and I am surprised that you suggest that he was. |
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