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 Posted: Jul 19, 2007 - 12:49 PM
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Voxx wrote: › Azidonis wrote: › 93,
B+O+N+E+S
Now, which spelling would be used? Let's see. You have...
Beth+Nun+Samekh? That excludes vowels, as the Ancient Hebrew is not comparable to the English use of the same. However, using this spelling, the enumeration is 112.
Beth+Nun+Shin? This is equally absurd. In such a case, "bones" equals 352...
.'.93.'.
Of course, the way to get the Qabalah to really "work", you should be taking the Hebrew or Greek word meaning "bones", instead. Couldn't tell if you were kidding or not.
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93,
No, I was being honest.  And you honestly said the same thing I did lol My entire point was that in the case mentioned, the English "Bones" is definitely an English word, and I am an English speaking person. Thus, the only feasible Qabalah for that word would of course be, an English Qabalah. Since I do not speak Hebrew, Ancient Hebrew at that, there is seriously no use in me searching to find an ancient meaning to a modern word. This would require more effort and toil than to just figure out what the word meant in the context of the English dictionary, which with a symbol set it is not a bad idea to do.
Really, it was a 'sales pitch' for the idea that an English Qabalah is beneficial to English speaking persons, that's all.
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Post subject: Re: Liber aL is such a whore
Posted: Jul 19, 2007 - 12:55 PM
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ap0kalypt1ka wrote: › The “Key of it All”…perhaps it is just that: II:15 “my number is nine…I am eight and one in eight…I am none indeed…”
Amadan-De : I believe you meant ‘cartographers’, not cryptographers. I haven’t read all the posts present on Lashtal, but I’m one of the few who provide cryptographic solutions to Liber aL.
You are not alone approving of Faustian’s posts: they are much needed in the forum! I love common sense, sound reasoning, and the practical…things that are generally lacking in occult forums.
Faustian: are you related to the “search for the egg” project? From a deciphering point of view “this line drawn” has no solution (unless it is just part of the cover text/meaningless.) Originally, in my study of Liber aL, I had a grid free copy. Once discovering a grid was added, I thought this was an attempt by Crowley to make sense of the pasting of the sheets (65 pages total sans cover, 63 squares in which to ‘paste‘ them in) and using the line to discover something. I never thought of a map, but it is certainly possible: Liber aL is tightly integrated. So, in the vein of cartography, when you paste the sheets, do those numbers create valid coordinates, plotting points? Paces to count off? An address? The sequence of numbers is rather interesting, but that is purely from a ‘mathematical phenomena’ perspective (randomization and statistics.)
For those that have produced the ’Stele of Revealing’, mapping the image blocks onto the grid and utilizing the ones the line runs through results in nothing meaningful, just gibberish.
“The circle squared in its failure”…definitely. The trick to this is that people, humanity, doesn’t square a circle properly. It would be easy to argue that they don’t know how. Square the circle properly and you have a key; a key of it all, if you were so inclined. I:26 “..and the sign shall be my ecstasy…”
93,
I was wondering when I would see the mention of pasting the sheets. The instruction is, "paste the sheets from right to left, top to bottom; then behold."
Paste the sheets from right to left beginning at the top right corner and working your way down to the bottom left corner... There are 65 sheets altogether. Thus, paste them in rows of five. What you get is a 5 x 13 sheet of the Law, somewhat similar to the "Oriental" writings hanging in dojos.. It stands close to seven feet tall and well... the rest is history.
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Post subject: RE: hmmm...
Posted: Jul 19, 2007 - 02:41 PM
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| You have sixty five sheets in total: two sets of 22 and one set of 21 - there seems to be a missing sheet. But one of the sheets – number 60 to be precise – is the “key to it all” and counts for two. This sheet is the joker in the deck so to speak; leaving you with two decks of 22 trump cards each, and one deck of 21 cards. Number 60 anchors the 6 rows of 11 sheets on the map. |
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Posted: Jul 19, 2007 - 04:45 PM
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Seeing how we're on a "paste the sheets" trend, I thought I'd throw in my two cents.
I'd like to imagine that there are/were actually 66 sheets (assuming that the or a title page is thrown in and that this was actually produced in those same days, perhaps even prior). I have no idea what history there might be to back any of this up. There is, of course, a seemingly original "Liber L" title page and it does bear some writing that could have occurred within those three days. If it was written briefly after, then perhaps (and this feels like a gigantic leap on my part) it was incorporated into the thoughts of Aiwass anyway.
So, presuming, if we may, 66 sheets, pasting the sheets, then, from right to left and from top to bottom and assuming only a minimum leftward expansion to accommodate the directive (Occam's razor, perhaps?), the result would be two columns of 33 pages each.
Columns... Suggestive of a doorway... Suggestive of pillars... Suggestive, even, of a Double Wand of Power... "... then behold!"
The directive to paste the sheets does come as the seeming apotheosis or exaltation of the sentiment being expressed regarding the Double Wand... so perhaps the "Behold!" is simply not much more than this... a poetic device to "See" the Double Wand, "See" the doorway or what have you (I am reminded of the Egyptian doorway or pillars motif that occurs in the front-pieces throughout the Libers).
Further, if you go in for the EQ-11 thing, a couple of things open up that are of interest.
166 = Holy Guardian Angel
66 = Devil
6 x 6 = 36 = Sun (and 1+2+3... +36 = 666, the magic square of the sun)
So, it's certainly interesting that immediately following the "paste the sheets" line comes
"There is a splendor in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son" (note how both the sun and "the son", 666, find reference in the math and gematria above).
But such considerations as these are lost, apparently, for the want of a page. |
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Post subject: pasting the sheets: 5 x 13
Posted: Jul 19, 2007 - 09:11 PM
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Following the instruction of pasting the sheets from right to left and from top to bottom:
If one pastes the 65 pages of the manuscipt in a rectangle of five columns, beginning with the first page of chapter 1 in the upper right and ending with the last page of chapter 3 in the lower left, with 13 pages per column, then the sum of the page numbers in the middle column will be 143. This is the same as the value of the numbers in the cipher of verse 2:76.
If one uses this same grid and goes from the upper left corner to the lower right, using three diagonal lines in zig-zag fashion, the sum of the page numbers will also be 143. The same result occurs starting from the upper right corner and going diagonally down to the lower left corner, zig-zagging in the opposite direction.
If one pastes the 65 sheets in a rectangle of 13 columns, with 5 pages in each column, again starting with the first page of chapter 1, in right to left top to bottom fashion, and ending with the last sheet of chapter 3, we will get a similar result as above:
the sum of the page numbers in the center row is 143. Note -- these are NOT the same 13 numbers found in the center column of the first example.
If we go from the upper right corner to the lower left, diagonally, the sum of the pages will be 143. The same is true if we go from the upper left to the lower right.
The point is this: there are two ways to make an even rectangle out of 65 pages; either 5 columns of 13 pages each, or 13 columns of 5 pages each. In both instances, using *different sets of numbers*, the page numbers will reveal the key number of 143 in three balanced configurations on each grid.
Personally, I prefer the first example, in part because working with it in ritual has proven highly illuminating, and partly because pasting the sheets in this way means that the bottom sheet of the middle column is page 19 of chapter three. An examination of this page reveals that it contains ALL the references to the four ordeals associated with the understanding of the Book of the Law. In this sense, it is the foundation page of the whole document.
But whichever layout one uses, it is an undeniable fact that the page numbers point to the number 143.
By the TEQ gematria:
143 = The Book of the Law
143 = Trigrammaton
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Post subject: Re: pasting the sheets: 5 x 13
Posted: Jul 19, 2007 - 09:32 PM
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threefold31 wrote: › Dwtw
Following the instruction of pasting the sheets from right to left and from top to bottom:
If one pastes the 65 pages of the manuscipt in a rectangle of five columns, beginning with the first page of chapter 1 in the upper right and ending with the last page of chapter 3 in the lower left, with 13 pages per column, then the sum of the page numbers in the middle column will be 143. This is the same as the value of the numbers in the cipher of verse 2:76.
If one uses this same grid and goes from the upper left corner to the lower right, using three diagonal lines in zig-zag fashion, the sum of the page numbers will also be 143. The same result occurs starting from the upper right corner and going diagonally down to the lower left corner, zig-zagging in the opposite direction.
If one pastes the 65 sheets in a rectangle of 13 columns, with 5 pages in each column, again starting with the first page of chapter 1, in right to left top to bottom fashion, and ending with the last sheet of chapter 3, we will get a similar result as above:
the sum of the page numbers in the center row is 143. Note -- these are NOT the same 13 numbers found in the center column of the first example.
If we go from the upper right corner to the lower left, diagonally, the sum of the pages will be 143. The same is true if we go from the upper left to the lower right.
The point is this: there are two ways to make an even rectangle out of 65 pages; either 5 columns of 13 pages each, or 13 columns of 5 pages each. In both instances, using *different sets of numbers*, the page numbers will reveal the key number of 143 in three balanced configurations on each grid.
Personally, I prefer the first example, in part because working with it in ritual has proven highly illuminating, and partly because pasting the sheets in this way means that the bottom sheet of the middle column is page 19 of chapter three. An examination of this page reveals that it contains ALL the references to the four ordeals associated with the understanding of the Book of the Law. In this sense, it is the foundation page of the whole document.
But whichever layout one uses, it is an undeniable fact that the page numbers point to the number 143.
By the TEQ gematria:
143 = The Book of the Law
143 = Trigrammaton
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Post subject: Re: pasting the sheets: 5 x 13
Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 12:41 AM
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threefold31 wrote: › Dwtw
Following the instruction of pasting the sheets from right to left and from top to bottom:...
Pasting the sheets like that is a good exercise to do. Thanks for the impetus and a strong nod to you for what you've found therein.
Given my bias, however, I can't help but cast about wildly and then happen to notice that, in your first construction, 143 (column) and 55 (row) form a cross centered on a page number 11.
143 = Star-Eleven (another name for EQ-11) &
55 = ALWHSDOZKV (the first ten letters of the Star-Eleven sequence). [The row this is derived from is the only row or column that adds up to ten before final reduction.]
Further, if you reduce to single digits the totals of all the columns and rows and add them up you come up with the total 88 before further reduction. 88 = "circle", so you have kind of a cross in a circle right there -- interesting. The totals for all the rows added up reduces to 62 and then to 8 and the totals for all the columns added up reduces to 26 and then to 8, so you have a further strengthening of the idea. Even further, 8 + 8 = 16... 1 + 6 = 7 = "O", so you have, again, the idea of a circle.
I'd mention that if all this came from Achad originally, then 62 "pour" and 26 "gold" may have some bearing here.
Oi! This is fun! I have chores screaming out to be attended to.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 03:34 AM
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93 faustian et al,
...and thus we end this road to nowhere at 143.
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Proteus wrote: › ...and thus we end this road to nowhere at 143.
Well, I'm going nowhere fast (can't sleep).
H: E 11 Q
V: KEY 11/6 OF IT ALL
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Quote: › Where else should we go?
faustian suggested we go to North Cairo. I don't think we need to look elsewhere since this 143 thing adds up to nothing but a dead end.
Paul, I don't suppose your itinerary has changed to include Cairo, has it?
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 05:08 AM
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| The instruction is pretty simple though, and says nothing about NxN squares. Why not an 'L' shape, or a daleth, or a cross, or simply two stacks of pages? Pasting the sheets together (i.e. top side to bottom side) will make the book require more effort or time to destroy and render it impossible to study (as per the soon to follow comment). |
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jw wrote: › Pasting the sheets together (i.e. top side to bottom side) will make the book require more effort or time to destroy and render it impossible to study (as per the soon to follow comment).
It feels perverse, but I actually kind of like the simplicity of what you suggest. I hadn't thought of that before. Of course, knowing me, I'll bury that thought immediately and say -- the Comment! of course! referred to even in the text & to be reproduced with the text -- there's the 66th page (if I want it), though it took him a long time to produce. |
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 06:44 AM
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93,
Let's not forget that in the Hebrew Qabalah, the number 65 is the number of Adonai, and thus closely related to the HGA.
And perhaps even, one could play with the Word Abrahadabra (in TEQ or any other system), and see what pops up. Also, consider the notion of Abrahadabra and the existence of five "A's". All one would have to do now is find the connection between the number 13 and the consonants, BRHDBR. If I had my TEQ folder with me I'd play too, but instead will just sit and give suggestions lol
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 07:54 AM
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Az,
Still working on it, but you have helped me to see that
11 x 5 = 55, the value of the central row, and that
11 x 13 = 143, the value of the central column.
So, somehow dependent on the number 11, a number which appears in the center of the whole grid, right where these lines cross,
you find a 5 and a 13, and this in a 5 x 13 graph.
This suggests to me an image of the 11 as somehow supporting or manufacturing the "circle." (I'm hardly being mathematical here, I know).
I'm sure none of this is all that special, just a consequence of repeating a count in this kind of space, but it is pretty and shows off the number 11 to good effect.
You also have this
AAAAA = 5
BRHDBR = 74... = 7 + 4 = 11
5 x 11 = 55
(This answer can also be derived from Abracadabra).
... and that's about as far as my sleepy and mostly non-mathematical brain will take me. |
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 10:59 AM
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93,
Nice job, Priestofal! Alright you got me... I bit. As it happens, I do have one old Record with me, and also a copy of the TEQ basic values. In TEQ, ABRAHADABRA goes something like this...
A+B+R+A+H+A+D+A+B+R+A
5+20+14+5+3+5+23+5+20+14+5 = 119
TEQ, as it deals with the Trigrams of Liber XXVII, also has a set of "Oposites" for each value, with the exception of the first Trigram, given the Letter 0, the Number 1, and attributed to Spirit. With the opposites, an alternate to "Abrahadabra" is achieved...
J+O+U+J+X+J+Q+J+O+U+J
7+10+25+7+6+7+16+7+10+25+7 = 127
Alright, I'm crazy, and I like to see how things stand alone. So, a bunch of number crunching later, and "Abrahadabra" somehow "equals" 93! Alright I'm fibbin', but check it out...
A+A+A+A+A = 25
BRHDBR = 94
J+J+J+J+J = 35
O+U+X+Q+O+U = 92
25+92 = 117
35+94 = 129
Now... 117 x 129 = 15,093. Stop here, get ready to shoot me. Continue...
15,093 / 27 = 559...
559 / 5 = 111.8
559 / 6 = 93.66666666666666666666666666667 (yes, 28 times, or my calculator just broke)
I know, it's not convincing... but well,keep on.
25 x 94 = 2350
35 x 92 = 3220
2350 / 2 = 1,175
3220 / 2 = 1,610
1,175 + 1,160 = 2,785
2,785 / 5 = 557
557 + 559 = 1,116
1,116 / 12 = 93
Alright, so I was very bored, and continued the charade...
15,093 x 418 = 6,308,874
418 / 2 = 209
418 + 209 = 627
6,308,874 / 627 = 10,062
10,062 / 18 = 559
10,062 / 9 = 1,118
1,118 / 2 = 559
Alright, some small chunk of time and a tired calculator reveals that well... it reveals nothing! Woohoo! Really, perhaps if I was more familiar with the intricacies of the TEQ system I'd be able to reval much more, but as such, I simply tried to see what I could find along the lines of the thread, and possibly spark some ideas here and there. The main numbers in the equation seem to be 1,116 - 1,118 - 559 - and 557, or so it would appear. Anyway, I'll play around with it a bit more and see what turns up.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 12:49 PM
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Azidonis made a brilliant observation
A+B+R+A+H+A+D+A+B+R+A
5+20+14+5+3+5+23+5+20+14+5 = 119
119 is the number of degrees of the line in III:47. Take a protractor and measure. Now take a look at the map of Egypt and you will see this line repeat itself over and over again in the geography of the place. |
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 01:34 PM
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Dwtw
119 = degrees in the 'line drawn'?
I don't have a protractor right now, and must take your word, but if that's true, then it supports the idea that along with the line drawn being a key, Abrahadabra is also a key, since the value of Abrahadabra is 119 in the TQ system.
As for the number 143 being a dead-end; i don't really see it that way at all. The page-numbers are independent of gematria. Since 143 appears six different ways in the pasting of the sheets, it seems to be pointing to that number as highly significant. And since it already appears as the sum of the numbers in the cipher of 2:76, i think this just reinforces the idea.
Note that there are 143 words in the text of the holograph, before the first insertion of the stele versification in verse 14.
Nevertheless, I don't think that a 5 x 13 grid is the *only* way to fulfill those instructions. I was merely pointing out an important fact about that particular way of fulfilling the verse. If one desires 66 total sheets, (to make a 2 x 33 or 3 x 22 or 6 x 11 grid), one could easily include the title page. But presumably, the instruction from Aiwass was about the actual sheets of the holograph on hand at the time of the instruction, the same sheets that AC was told to publish a facsimile of in every edition of Liber CCXX.
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| Faustian could you give the forum a practical example of the 119' angle? Would i be right to assume that a few of the pyramids have this degree? And if so what can we draw from this in the context of Thelemic issues? |
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 03:13 PM
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Aum418 wrote: › This is the kind of stuff I was talking about with English Qabalahs. Azidonis' post was the pinnacle of the mess in my eyes.
93,
ROFL! And rightly so! The only difference between my post and some others is that while I actually found nothing, I claim to have found... nothing! LOL
Seriously, I'm sure a more in-depth look at the TQ system itself would most probably divulge some better information about the numbers I came up with, and will most certainly yield a better formula for Abrahadabra. I do enjoy the 119 degree thing though, but that was not of my making.
As for Abrahadabra itself, the best thing I ever came up with concerning it was in 1999 when I realized that the 5 A's fit on a Pentagram, while the six other letters worked out well on a Hexagram.
I'm going to keep on poking around though. Who knows, maybe I'll turn up with something substantial. It's funny how if "Babalon" is given a Yin and spelled "Babylon" in TQ, it's value becomes 93...
Concerning the Qabalah, the very worst practice I ever see is the adding of the numbers up to make a single number. It is quite already assumed that adding 1118 you will get 11, then add those two to get... 2. At least give me credit for trying something original LOL
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 03:13 PM
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Take the angle of the Red Sea between Egypt and Arabia.
The left side of the Sinai peninsula
Also look at the streaks in the western desert.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 04:03 PM
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93,
Now I shall endeavor to do something you'll be unlikely to see me do too often, and copy and paste someone else's work. I figured since I decided to place a haphazard set of numbers on the boards, the least I could do is try and make some sort of sense out of them. Alas, there are no wonderful mind-breaking correspondences with the cursory observation I was able to give. All we have are these, from www.trigrammaton.net (shameless plug). Keep in mind that I was ONLY looking for immediate references to the numbers 209 - 1,116 - 1,118 - 557 - and 559.
From Liber B vel Magi
v20. And woe also be unto Him that refuseth the curse of the grade of a Magus, and the burden of the Attainment thereof.
TEG value of this verse is 1116 = 12 x 93.
His initiation to the Grade. = 209
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Liber Stellae Rubae
At the head of the altar gold, = 209
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Liber Ararita
the Closed Palace = 119 = Abrahadabra
re-veil Thy perfections. = 209
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Liber XC
a watering of the flowers. = 209
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Liber XXVII
songs upon the lyre. = 209
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Liber 220
The total number of words in the Holograph is 5587. Including the extra 13 words mentioned above makes the total 5600. This total considers the hyphenated words as single words, and does not include the 86 ampersands, the 4 numerals, (4, 11, 418 & 718), or the Cipher of verse II:76. Except for the Cipher, there are 90 other parts to the Holograph transmission, giving a total of 5690 ‘words’ in the document. This number 5690 is a very obvious glyph for NU/56 and TZADDI/90. This is a clue that Tzaddi will help unravel the mystery of the ‘six and fifty’ associated with the word of Nuit. Simple addition of 56 + 90 = 146, the value of the Hebrew word SVP, as shown above. 5690 = 10 x 569. 569 is the 104th prime, and 104 is the value of Tzaddi spelled out in full. (Tzaddi/90 + Dalet/4 + Yod/10).
Since the additional thirteen words all appear in chapter one, it is instructive to look at this chapter of the manuscript in isolation. The value of the English text, with these additions, is 83,095. Add to this the page numbers, 253, plus the numeral 11, plus 93 for qelhma, and the total of all glyphs in this chapter is 83,452, which is 124 x 673. This total of 124 x 673 deliberately excludes the letter Tzaddi, in order to isolate that mysterious glyph in relation to the rest of the chapter. Analyzing these factors, 124 is the TEG value of the key words SIX AND FIFTY, while 673 is the Hexagram having the 24 Trigram over the 25 Trigram. 24 & 25 are the letters N & U, while verses 24 and 25 of this chapter state: “I am Nuit, and my word is six and fifty. Divide, add, multiply, and understand.” This numerical koan is at the core of the esoteric symbolism of the Law. I will show below how it is connected with the letter Tzaddi.
Although these two verses can sustain a wide variety of interpretations, there is one simple answer, which will become part of the solution to the most cryptic phrases in chapter one. In verse I:24, Nuit states that her word is “six and fifty” so let us presume that these are the numbers 6 & 50.
Divide them by reducing them to their proper divisors: 6 = 1, 2, 3, 6: 50 = 1, 2, 5, 10, 25,50.
Add the divisors; they equal 12 and 93.
Multiply these together; the result is 1116.
Now all that remains is to understand.
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If Tzaddi’s attribution remains with the XVII Atu, as it should, then it is linked back to the Aquarius Trigram symbolized in the number 567. If this Atu name is changed to ‘Nothing’, then verse I:46 becomes more understandable. ‘Nothing’, i.e., Atu XVII, is a secret key of this Law. Technically, the title of this Law is ‘The Book of the Law’, and the TEG value of this title is 143. If the Law, 143, is then united ‘by thine art’ with the Nothing, or 567, then the result is 143 x 567 = 81,081. With the Zero as the center point, this doubles the number 81, which is the value of the word ‘Nothing’ in English. The prime factors of 81,081 = 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 7 x 11 x 13. These seven factors sum to 43, the value of the word NOT.
The number 567 is also equal to 7 x 81. 7 is the value of the word ALL, and 81 is the value of the word NOTHING. Thus all times nothing = 567. These two factors can be seen, both openly and hidden, in the tenth verse of Liber Trigrammaton. This verse is headed by the 7 Trigram, and ends with the 21 Trigram:
Against him the Brothers of the Left-hand Path, confusing the symbols. They concealed their horror (in this symbol); for in truth they were:
There are several remarkable features of this verse. The TEG value of the English words is 1209, exactly the same value found in verse I:46; 1116 for the two interpretations, and 93 for the Tarot Keys of the letters. 1116 + 93 = 1209. This verse contains 111 letters, while ‘not the Star’ has a value of 111. The verse begins with the 7 Trigram, and thus represents 7, while the verse ends with the 21 Trigram, representing the Aquarius Atu, which has been renamed ‘Nothing’ in accordance with the Law. Multiplying the 7 by the gematria value of Nothing, 81, results in 567.
Okay, I'll shut up for now. Happy hunting.
93 93/93,
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 05:27 PM
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93 Leo,
Quote: › As for the number 143 being a dead-end; i don't really see it that way at all.
That's not the way I meant my comment to be interpreted. I believe your 143 is dead-on and critical part of the solution to our conundrum. 
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 10:40 PM
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Dwtw
hail proteus,
thanks for the clarification
Azidonis has posted some stuff that's probably a bit deeper than most would care to go.
The main thing in all that is that the number 1116 can de derived from both AL 1:24-25, and AL 1:46-48.
The idea of swapping the letters in Abrahadabra to their opposite trigrams is legitimate b/c the two numbers have a structural similarity in base 3.
It's a form of TQ AthBash cipher, basically.
Changing Abrahadabra = 119 into JOUJXJQJOUJ = 127
gives us an important equivalent in the TEG:
127 = English Alphabet
So one can say that the E.A. is related to the key,
of which Abrahadabra is a part.
But we've gone way off topic, and to get back to the thread, or perhaps just end it here, I'll just note that in the 5 x 13 grid of pages i favor, the middle column of page numbers is 143, and the column next to it on the left is 156.
4, 9, 14, 19, 2, 7, 12, 17, 22, 5, 10, 15, 20 = 156
This column does include the page with the number 418 on it.
In fact all the pages that have numerals in the text are in this column:
11, 4, 418 & 718
If someone can use that to find something in the Law, then one could say that Babalon was a key.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 - 10:57 PM
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The 143 'key' presented by Leo is so elegant and unites many of the themes discussed in this thread (particularly faustian's) in some really, really interesting ways. Anyone headed to Cairo?
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Posted: Jul 21, 2007 - 06:50 AM
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Well, let's see -- I was going to regale you with tales of my further deep penetrations into the heart of the mystery, how the cross of the page numbers found in the 5 x 13 grid equals 187 = ENGLISH ALPHABET = FOUR ONE EIGHT, how in the cross I found E to the left and Q to the right and 11 (for EQ-11) in the middle, how I could read KEY above and surmise 6 (for Star 6, another name) + OF IT ALL down the base. But all these have become empty and useless, faded, in the light of the true mystery. For, yes, I have the Word. For, behold! There is a further cross, a cross from the Eleven at the core, extending out in eight mighty rays (and it, too, equals 187, so blessed is this mystery), and there I placed letters in place of the numbers, not forgetting the G for the Eleven, and, from these new letters, I pieced together the Holy Phrase, the Key to the Mysteries, and the Word, indeed, of the Aeon (or at least of the Week).
Behold, my Brothers! (And Sisters, avert your eyes!)
The Eightfold Cross of the Mysteries speaks forth thusly, with:
Q.V. ["which see"] MY MAGUS WORD -- "JACK!"
Yes, Brethren. JACK! And JACK! some more (Prove it to yourselves, I JACK! you not). JACK! from the center of the cross!
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And, after much breath, my Word now is done and I return to that dumpy place in which I live and I Fall Down the Tree and yada-yada-yada that I may claw my way up again. But my dare is upon TEG to do it one better! and this I leave upon the Tree (yea, like an annoying, flapping rag in the breeze), for the Week must Roll and in time the Tousle-Headed, Thick-Waisted One must be replaced and Some New Idiot claim the throne of RAW-WHORE-COOT.
(All that is left to say is N'yah N'yah N'yah N'yah N'yah! Pffffffft!)
And -- plunk! -- indeed. I have become but as a child.
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Posted: Jul 21, 2007 - 07:38 AM
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faustian wrote: › Take the angle of the Red Sea between Egypt and Arabia.
The left side of the Sinai peninsula
Also look at the streaks in the western desert.
And of course the shape of the Nile after Cairo
119 degrees? - from a quick look at Google maps you seem to be suggesting 119 degrees (very, very roughly) anti-clockwise from grid East, or 29 degrees W of Grid North. What grid are we assuming was used? (That's cartography! )
Very rough fit of this angle to the suggested geophysical structures - easy to get several 'best fit' angles as they are not straightlines.
The streaks in the Western desert are not parallel but cover a range of angles.
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| Addendum -- Let us hope that Irony is not dead. |
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Qabalah is a 'tool', with a specific purpose. It must only be used for its ability to funnel through the metaphysical flourescence of magickal force from spaces outside mundane consciousness experience. Anything more than that, and it becomes a redundant glamour...which fools the aspirant into superstitious belief patterns that have absolutely no bearing on magickal or mystical practice.
Best Wishes
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Posted: Jul 21, 2007 - 01:46 PM
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Faustian --> Thank you for elaborating.
Azidonis, and others: The pasting of the sheets comes towards the end of the book. One of the final instructions, if you will. There are other instructions to complete before pasting the sheets. For one, finding the new values of the English letters (or ‘writing of the Beast'.) The manuscript repeats that “the word” is in the book (and not only in the English…isn‘t that a queer phrase?) A very important instruction is I:24, Nuit’s word. There is also the “111”, and you’ll need that to figure out the values of the letters. The book has everything that is needed.
Liber aL contains the material necessary to find the new values and how to translate the book into “all tongues.” Once this is done, you can then paste the sheets. I will give you a hint: there are more than 65 sheets to paste. One does paste the sheets from right to left, top to bottom, but using the grid Nu instructs.
There is no fancy or ‘magical’ math involved. Though, in my case, there was some trial & error to get the color associations right: one color per number. But, even if the colors are wrong, you still get a picture. You could even go black & white if you wanted to, but it looks a little muddy that way.
Basically, you translate the manuscript into numbers (each letter having a corresponding number as provided by the book.) Then you assemble the manuscript into blocks as Nu instructs. The blocks, or sheets, can then be pasted as instructed in the third chapter. Then, all that is left is to convert the numbers into a color. Obviously, if you can keep all the letters straight, you don’t have to convert them into numbers, just assign them their color value.
What you are doing is creating a bitmap out of the manuscript. A picture definitely qualifies as “translated” into all tongues. The result is what I believe to be the ’Stele of Revealing.’
My dilemma is that I’m missing out on something else in the manuscript…maybe I have nothing left to do but to seek Her in the desert.
A side note: patterns do appear in many and in a wide variety of texts. Most of which are not intentional (the patterns, that is.) So, who truly guides the pen? It might be a strong argument for the Norns doing all the weaving, and we are just actors playing our part. |
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