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Post subject: Metal Etching
 Posted: May 10, 2008 - 09:02 PM
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I am about to construct my first talisman. I have selected the second pentacle of Jupiter in The Key of Solomon the King. The only question I now is about the actual purchasing and etching of the metal! I reckon I would have to purchase tin sheet metal and the cut out a round piece myself.
As for the etching process, I have only ran into one company selling a metal-etching kit, http://www.etch-o-matic.biz/, however am feeling a bit wary after they haven't responded to my-email.
I am wondering if someone can help lead me in the right direction in acquiring the material to construct a talisman.
Thanks,
Ryan
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Posted: May 11, 2008 - 12:00 AM
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Ryan,
Good luck with the creation of your talisman! Sounds like it'll be a really great project!
I can't, unfortunately, direct you in how to etch the metal yourself, but doing a search online revealed to a site that comes with kits that provide the metal as part of the kit (they're old circuit board pieces, interestingly enough) though they're rectangular pieces...if you want them round then you'd have to cut them from the metal yourself. Not exactly the guidance you're looking for, I know, but perhaps they would be a bit more responsive than the first site you tried. They can be linked to here: http://www.alphastamps.com/atcetchkit.html
Hope this helps!
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Posted: May 11, 2008 - 09:32 AM
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Location: Eugene, Oregon, U.S.
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93 Ryan,
An alternative to purchasing Tin sheets is to buy lead free solder. Lead Free Solder is 95% Tin and 5% Antimony. (Antimony is also a metal of Jupiter) Melting it, with a propane blow torch, will creat a round slug that can be hammered into a thinner piece. This can then be shaped with a file to make it perfectly round. Some light sanding and a good polish, and it will be a shiny round tin ready to be etched.
I would also recommend looking at using an engraver to creat the talisman. Metal Etching can, at times, be difficult. Engraving is fairly easy. I would recommend an actual engraver rather then a "dremmel" tool. Dremmel Tools (and the such) spin and are difficult to engrave with. An actual engraver uses an up and down motion and is a lot easier to control.
You can also simply use a nail or other pointed metal piece to etch into the Tin.
Hope this helps.
DD
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Posted: May 11, 2008 - 12:17 PM
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Circuit board etching techniques are probably the most accessible. Look for links to 'Printed Circuit Boards'.
You can buy blank PCB's as a photosensitive coated layer of copper laminated to a fiberglass substrate. They are a great way to transfer designs/sigils from books into physical form.
You scan something from a book, print onto overhead projector film and place the printed transparency over the photosensitive board. Expose to UV for a while (sunshine) then dunk the board into a 'developer' to dissolve the areas of coating that got exposed to the light. Then dunk the board into a solution of ferric chloride. Exposed areas or copper are etched away leaving you with your design/sigil in copper on a piece of fiberglass board. Use a bit of wire wool to shine it up and lacquer it or use a chemical solution to deposit tin.
Such objects are good for 'catching the light' even though their physical attributes may not be perfect... |
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Posted: May 11, 2008 - 03:04 PM
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I've recently had some magickal thoughts about the beginnings of alchemical metallurgy.
One theory is that these natural alchemical processes sparked or greatly increased humanity's spiritual awakening process. I think it is absolutely true, & encourage anyone to have a bunch of outer symbols of change in their surroundings: alchemical, artistic, etc.
One can also see how it is believed that the "hidden earth", or one's interior world, has all the precious metals in it; even of gemmed cities under the earth, etc.
I have done little study in this area, but the real point I am seeing is that copper was largely the first metal people worked with. As Venus & the Goddess I found this fascinating. Then Jupiter was added to Venus to create bronze, another revelation for the 4 & 7 Mysteries. I have actually sculpted a few bronze pieces, one of Horus, & they are so magickal! I've been fiending to try to get back into some kind of metal art myself. In this vein, anyone know a cheap way of having a good bronze or general metal casting hook-up?
4 & 7 is the first whole number ratio approximating the Vesica Pisces (square root of 3); it is a very natural color combo as "love under will", as the Blue Will of IVPPITER as the Sky is above the Green Love of VENVS as the trees of earth. The Wheel of Fortune lay between them (4-7). |
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Posted: May 14, 2008 - 06:40 AM
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93 Ryan,
Not sure if you've got a Radioshack in Saskatoon, but if not check the phone book for an electronics / experimenters supplier and buy some Ferric Chloride. Usually comes in a clear bottle and looks like iodine (sometimes sold at some places as a powder that you mix with water), it's commonly labeled "PCB etching solution" or similar. Tin is usually easiest to find in craft stores and is sold for metal punching, a lot of the stuff they sell at hardware stores as tin (such as for flashing and the like) is actually aluminum nowadays. Anyhow, after you cut your blank (using tin snips from a hardware store) take some spray paint and cover both sides with a solid even layer. Then take a permanent marker (stick with sharpie for sake of known compatibility) and draw around the outside edges to ensure they are properly protected. With a sharpened nail, pin or whatever scratch your design onto the metal cutting through the paint to expose the metal underneath. You can use a soft pencil to draw the design on first to ensure accuracy.
Take a glass or plastic container and place small glass beads or similarly non-mettalic object on the bottom (this raises the talisman up and keeps it from sticking to the bottom). Put on some plastic gloves and pour enough ferric chloride to cover the marbles and talisman into the container. Place the talisman face down into the solution. Every 30 seconds or so tip the container gently side to side to agitate the solution. Check the talisman regularly using the tip of a pin or needle to verify the depth of the etching. Once it's etched deep enough hold under running water to clean off all the ferric chloride. Use paint remover to clean off the spray paint.
Ferric Chloride works best on Copper, very good on Tin and pretty good on brass and bronze. Ferric Chloride causes rapid oxidation to everything metallic, which means don't put anything metal in the solution you don't want to ruin, and use in a well ventilated space. Cover or dispose of the stuff immediately after use. As the solution evaporates into the air it will settle on nearby metallic objects and cause rust amongst other problems. Ferric Chloride is fairly safe, it doesn't burn skin or anything, but it stains the hell out of everything it touches, hence the gloves, so watch your clothes, table tops, etc. Ferric Chloride works faster the warmer it is and the better it's agitated. If it's cold when you're doing this, placing the etching container in another container of hot water will increase the etching process. A small heating pad will work as well, but for a first time the slower etch may be better for easier control. The amount of time the etch takes will end up being longer that you think, but shorter than you expect. It's hard to give a precise amount of time as it varies based on the purity of the metal, temp, etc.
Hope this helps, just ask if I can be of further assistance 
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