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Post subject: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
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Look I'm a new member here and I've been recommended to this site to discuss my views on said person Aleister Crowley ,i believe that this man practised Satanism and that he was not a person who demands respect please tell me your views on this man as to what you perceive him to be in this respect, i say that he was a depraved sexual deviant, and drug taker ,who practice's Satanism,any one like to take me up on this point.?
QUOTE "Crowley himself was terribly decadent. A happily heroin-addicted, bisexual Satan worshiper, he asked people to call him "The Beast 666." Crowley believed that he was literally the antimessiah of the apocalypse."
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Post subject: RE: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
Posted: Aug 29, 2008 - 05:17 PM
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Secrets of the German Sex Magicians. This book talks about the ritual use of pain and attributes to Crowley the most perverted of practices such as bestiality and the ritual consumption of body fluids. Crowley, in fact, trod in his practice a path similar to that of the more materialistic authorities. Although he positively encouraged ejaculatory orgasm in his sex magic, he always made a point of consuming what he called the "elixir" afterwards. He understood this elixir to be the mixture of the sexual fluids of both partners or, in the masturbatory act, as just the semen. He entered very carefully in his the magical diaries a description of the elixir's consistency and taste, and he even recorded the prophecies which he deduced from these data.
And Crowley's practices go on to be even more disgusting.
Coprophagia, which means consumption of excrement, here also includes consumption of other secretions such as urine and sweat. It was ritually practiced from early times on the sympathetic-magic principle that the secretions of any entity contain part of its magis. Crowley, for example, occasionally offered his disciples in Cefalu the excretement of a goat. This frequently met with no small disapproval!
Crowley performed a similar ritual in his Sicilian Abbey of Thelema, during which his Scarlet Woman was to be mounted by a goat which would be beheaded during the climax.
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Post subject: RE: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
Posted: Aug 29, 2008 - 07:45 PM
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Crowley's present day admirers see him as a white magician, but Crowley himself was not so sure about it. In the 1920s he wrote in his diary: "I may be a black magician but I'm bloody great one."
Another quote from said man "I may be a black magician but I'm bloody great one." if he indeed did say this ,how come im being told that he was not a Satanist ,by somebody here who asked me to come here to find out more about him namely asturel13 who i might add has not entered into this debate with me as yet |
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Post subject: RE: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
Posted: Aug 29, 2008 - 07:55 PM
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I have a distinct, funny feeling this, er, "thread", is going to be locked. Hopefully promptly. quandary121, if you had taken a quick glance at the content of this webpage, you would have noticed none of your posts correspond with anything here. I suspect a little provocation.
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Post subject: RE: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
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Post subject: RE: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
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Post subject: Re: RE: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
Posted: Aug 30, 2008 - 12:14 AM
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lashtal wrote: › Best not feed him, then.
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Post subject: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
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Just can't be arsed, to be honest. The bloke's a fool who likes to describe his fantasies online. This week it's LAShTAL, next week it'll be somewhere else.
Eventually he'll become an adult and then he'll be more than a little embarrassed by his juvenile desire to display such ignorance and crass gullibility. |
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Post subject: RE: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
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Yes Quandary121, I advised that you come here as this is the best resource online for information on the 'real' Aleister Crowley (webmaster, apologies if this was treading on anyones toes!). Might I suggest that you are viewing Crowley and his works with a lot of preconcieved ideas? To my mind, a few Goetic Evocations here and there and summoning Choronzon in the desert hardly constitutes a distinguished career in "Black Magick", especially when viewed against the backdrop of all his other works which have, for the most part, a distinctly white-light / Right Hand Path flavour! The supreme goal for any decent Occultist, as far as Crowley was concerned, was "union with the divine", and "The knowledge and conversation of the HOLY guardian angel" was also central to his spiritual doctrine... None of this has anything to do with Diabolism of any sort. You also seem to be quoting Crowley out of context in order to support your opinion, and whilst no expert in Crowley's work I dont recognise some of the quotes you have used (on that other site), the ones that refer to "satan" rather a lot and i suspect you have gleaned them from very suspicious sources indeed. There are many sensationalist books about Crowley with 'quotes' such as these and they are all complete drivel, only a handful of books about Crowley are truthful and unbiased. Sure, Crowley had a lot of anti-christian beliefs but this does not make him a satanist by any stretch of the imagination, even if he did 'flirt' with satanic imagery and concepts in his youth.
As a 'leftie' myself, I would love nothing more than for Crowley to be the big bad sinister Satanist you believe him to be, i would be very happy indeed if his works imparted the deepest darkest secrets of Black Magick and each of the chapters of Liber Legis to be attributed to Lilith, Samael and Asmodeus, instead of Nuit, Hadith and Ra Hoor Khuit, but sadly none of this is the case!! And Crowley had a very low opinion of people such as myself and if you had researched his work at all you will have noticed how he had little time for the 'Black Brothers' of the Left Hand Path. In fact, he was far more influenced by Bhuddism than anything remotely Demonic!
I personally have witnessed a ressurgence in all this "Crowley was a Satanist" stuff since david Icke and a great many other conspiracy theorists decided that it would suit their paranoid delusions if he was, but 'satanic lizards' is a different issue entirely!
There are many things about the man that i find very repellant, but that does not detract from my enjoyment of his written works, his poetry and his strange and delightfully weird art! I also take a great deal of inspiration from 'The Book of The Law' although i would not term myself a Thelemite.
When I think of a "satanist" I think of someone like Anton La Vey, someone whose work and belief system could'nt be any more opposite to Crowley's own both in terms of quality and spiritual direction. the last thing any initiate of the Left Hand Path desires is 'union with the divine'!
(PS, please excuse my awful grammar and spelling, I am presently on that 'Champix' drug to quit smoking so its rather difficult to focus at the moment lol). |
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Post subject: Re: RE: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
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DNA wrote: › I have a distinct, funny feeling this, er, "thread", is going to be locked. Hopefully promptly. quandary121, if you had taken a quick glance at the content of this webpage, you would have noticed none of your posts correspond with anything here. I suspect a little provocation.
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Hi DNA why should this be the case,just because somebody does not agree with the majority of people on this forum ,does that make there point less important then others ,it is through such people that changes are made ,through out of chaos change is made ,when opinions stay the same so does life itself,like i put im new here so to get things right straight of the bat would be asking a lot wouldn't it .? |
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Post subject: Re: RE: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
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michaelclarke18 wrote: › clearly a troll.....
No friend just somebody who wants to know what others think that's all,
like i said i was asked to come here to ask my questions about Aleister Crowley ,admittedly i have put my neck on the block,because you are all lovers of this man ,and to get an unbiased view point here i think is unlikely,if not impossible but im not bothered about being a black sheep amongst the white . |
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Post subject: Re: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
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lashtal wrote: › Just can't be arsed, to be honest. The bloke's a fool who likes to describe his fantasies online. This week it's LAShTAL, next week it'll be somewhere else.
Eventually he'll become an adult and then he'll be more than a little embarrassed by his juvenile desire to display such ignorance and crass gullibility.
And this reply from a site admin how very wise and grown up you turned out to be.???
A resort to snide remarks and uninformed comments about somebody you neither know or understand ,it is not ignorance and crass ,to ask a question about things which are spoken off but i suspect that you would prefer members to tow the party line,if your mentor Aleister Crowley did this would he hold as much fascination for your web page and forums i think not
im probably older then you are so your post about how juvenile i am probably applys to you more then it does me ,in your official position here i would of thought that you would have shown some glimpses of your obviously greater knowledge on the subject but alas nothing but the very opposite,your own ignorance |
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Post subject: Re: RE: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
Posted: Aug 30, 2008 - 07:27 AM
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asturel13 wrote: › Yes Quandary121, I advised that you come here as this is the best resource online for information on the 'real' Aleister Crowley (webmaster, apologies if this was treading on anyones toes!). Might I suggest that you are viewing Crowley and his works with a lot of preconcieved ideas? To my mind, a few Goetic Evocations here and there and summoning Choronzon in the desert hardly constitutes a distinguished career in "Black Magick", especially when viewed against the backdrop of all his other works which have, for the most part, a distinctly white-light / Right Hand Path flavour! The supreme goal for any decent Occultist, as far as Crowley was concerned, was "union with the divine", and "The knowledge and conversation of the HOLY guardian angel" was also central to his spiritual doctrine... None of this has anything to do with Diabolism of any sort. You also seem to be quoting Crowley out of context in order to support your opinion, and whilst no expert in Crowley's work I dont recognise some of the quotes you have used (on that other site), the ones that refer to "satan" rather a lot and i suspect you have gleaned them from very suspicious sources indeed. There are many sensationalist books about Crowley with 'quotes' such as these and they are all complete drivel, only a handful of books about Crowley are truthful and unbiased. Sure, Crowley had a lot of anti-christian beliefs but this does not make him a satanist by any stretch of the imagination, even if he did 'flirt' with satanic imagery and concepts in his youth.
As a 'leftie' myself, I would love nothing more than for Crowley to be the big bad sinister Satanist you believe him to be, i would be very happy indeed if his works imparted the deepest darkest secrets of Black Magick and each of the chapters of Liber Legis to be attributed to Lilith, Samael and Asmodeus, instead of Nuit, Hadith and Ra Hoor Khuit, but sadly none of this is the case!! And Crowley had a very low opinion of people such as myself and if you had researched his work at all you will have noticed how he had little time for the 'Black Brothers' of the Left Hand Path. In fact, he was far more influenced by Bhuddism than anything remotely Demonic!
I personally have witnessed a ressurgence in all this "Crowley was a Satanist" stuff since david Icke and a great many other conspiracy theorists decided that it would suit their paranoid delusions if he was, but 'satanic lizards' is a different issue entirely!
There are many things about the man that i find very repellant, but that does not detract from my enjoyment of his written works, his poetry and his strange and delightfully weird art! I also take a great deal of inspiration from 'The Book of The Law' although i would not term myself a Thelemite.
When I think of a "satanist" I think of someone like Anton La Vey, someone whose work and belief system could'nt be any more opposite to Crowley's own both in terms of quality and spiritual direction. the last thing any initiate of the Left Hand Path desires is 'union with the divine'!
(PS, please excuse my awful grammar and spelling, I am presently on that 'Champix' drug to quit smoking so its rather difficult to focus at the moment lol).
Thankyou asturel13 you found the forum post that i spoke about to you ,this is the site that you reccomeded me to discuss the pros and cons of Aleister Crowley or the black and white of the man so far yours is the only reply worth reading i was hoping for some discussion of this topic but you co members seem to have chips on their shoulders,and are unable or unwilling to enter into a debate and fall back on the easy approach of name calling and supposition about me i would have hoped for more ,but i suppose that was to much to ask,in your reply you say that quote Crowley's own both in terms of quality and spiritual direction. the last thing any initiate of the Left Hand Path desires is 'union with the divine'! this i think is somewhat inaccurate would not Lucifer be one of these divine beings and even if somebody would want union with such as he ,in my mind ,they know not of him ,to believe that anything that they wished for would be ignored by this selfish self-serving demon.
I think that this is probably the crux of the whole debate "What I think of when i think of a"Satanist",as maybe it is how one would define such ,maybe you knowledge of such things makes you say that you do not believe that he was one ,as it would not fit in with what you believe to be a practicing Satanist,i myself not knowing the ins and outs of such rites of passage ,i would as you said to me before come from a Christian standpoint and can only base my thought from such a position,and this may indeed be my undoing over this .
As for the quotes used on the other site i can assure you that they either were direct statements from books by Aleister Crowley, or from diary's from him,so unless his books are all fixation or just purely fiction then i stand by them until proved wrong,this i am willing to believe if it is shown that i am wrong ,your reply is the only one here worth answering as all the others seem to think im a fool or idiot ,strange considering they know nothing about me or my thoughts or thinkings.
Did not Aleister Crowley have a deep respect for H. P. Blavatsky and her Secret Doctrine and it is this White Brotherhood teachings that make you believe that Aleister Crowley followed this path rather then the darker one
as shown in this review of what he thought about her quote
Aleister Crowley recognized Blavatsky as a Sister of A.'.A.'. (i.e. a Master of the Temple 8°=3# in his system of spiritual grades), specifically pointing her out as his immediate predecessor in “The Temple of Truth,” published in The Heart of the Master through O.T.O. in 1938. He thought it especially noteworthy that he was born in the same year that the Theosophical Society was inaugurated. Crowley reissued Blavatsky’s Voice of the Silence (Extracts from the Book of the Golden Precepts, including “The Two Paths” and “The Seven Portals”) |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: lets talk About Aleister Crowley
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asturel13 does not the connection between Albert Pike and Aleister Crowley,prove such satanic overtones
Two quotes the first albert pike the second a couple of quotes from Crowleys books
"...And the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer..."
Albert Pike (1809-1891)
From The Book of the Law, by Aleister Crowley:
With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross......
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.
From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:
The Oath of Fealty
I bind my blood in Satan's hands,
All this that lieth betwixt my hands
To thee, the Beast, and thy control,
I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.
Pledge
I swear to work my Work abhorred,
Careless of all but one reward,
The pleasure of the Devil our Lord
Like the Templars before him, Albert Pike revived the worship of Baphomet and other gods; but Baphomet, stands out. It was a devil which Aleister Crowley claimed to have channeled in 1906 while writing "The Book of the Law", another holy work among the serious 20th century Luciferians, or Satanists. Crowley also claimed to be the incarnation of Eliphas Levi, a sorcerer from a century back whom in turn heavily influenced his contemporary, Albert Pike. |
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BlueKephra wrote: › "When I think of a "satanist" I think of someone like Anton La Vey...."
When I think of Anton LaVey, I think of Hollywood, and all the idiots that inhabit it. What that has to do with Crowleys work I do not know.
Anton Szandor LaVey [1], (April 11, 1930 – October 29, 1997) was the American founder and High Priest of the Church of Satan as well as a writer, occultist.
Books by Anton Szandor Lavey
The Satanic Rituals
The Devil's Notebook
The Satanic Witch
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Crowley learned ritual magic from the man who was renown as the master of his day, MacGregor Mathers. The pupil-student relationship soon turned into a bitter rivalry and resulted literally in a Black Magic war. When Mathers died in 1918 many of his friends were convinced that Crowley was responsible for his death. Mathers, also a Freemason, introduced Crowley to an occult organization called the "Golden Dawn" and helped Crowley along his dark walk on the Egyptian Masonic road.
Still i say that he indeed was a satanist ,and as yet im unconvinced to believe otherwise,a part from asturel13 post none of you here have given any real proofs to the contrary ,i await your replys and do try to keep the name calling to your self as i do not need to be told what you think of me or why this is a discussion forum not a playground of like minded children ganging up on the new kid on the block to all of you who wish to behave like this i have this to say to you
You are so clueless that if you dressed in a clue skin, doused yourself in clue musk, and did the clue dance in the middle of a field of horny clues at the height of clue mating season, you still would not have a clue.!!!! |
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michaelclarke18 wrote: › clearly a troll...
AND YOU A CLEARLY A IDIOT .!!!! DONT BOTHER TO POST IN THIS FORUM AS YOUR COMMENTS ARE NEITHER WELCOME OR HELPFUL,IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT THEN GO AWAY IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD THEN PLEASE DO SO BUT THE TWO COMMENTS OF
clearly a troll.
LACK ANY REAL VALIDITY OR MIRTH, SO GIVE UP TRYING TO BE CLEAVER WITH ME, AS YOU ARE SHOWING YOUR IGNORANCE OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW ,AGAINST WHAT I DO INDEED KNOW |
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