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Post subject: Question concerning LA I,14 "Spell of Joy"
 Posted: Jun 27, 2009 - 05:42 PM
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This may seem trivial, but I have been thinking about this for the last few days and would like to know if anyone could help me out a little.
Whilst searching for clues as to why apparent changes where made to the Liber Al vel Legis, I came across this information on the Wikipedia page:
Changes to the manuscript
The final version of Liber Legis includes text that did not appear in the original writing, including many small changes to spelling. In several cases, stanzas from the Stele of Revealing were inserted within the text. For example, chapter 1, page 2, line 9 was written as "V.1. of Spell called the Joy" and was replaced with:[]
I started to wonder what this "Spell called the Joy" actually is and did some research of my own, sadly to no avail. Furthermore I began to question if "Joy" is the actual, nearly illegible word, at all.
To me it reads more like "Song", with a capital "S", a tiny but typical "o", an "n" and a scribbled "g". I started to check this option out, firstly by looking at the Liber Al itself and found.
II/37 I adore thee in the song which is followed by yet another pencil remark, similar to I, 14.
Furthermore Crowley apparently does mention verses from a "Song" in combination with a "spell" in The Ritual of Passing through the Tuat:
(Rising, he doeth the ceremony, precisely as in the opening unto the 2nd verse of the song called the spell. But he goeth with the Sun, as allowing Nature to resume her sway. At the E. of the Throne of Ra he standeth and crieth:)
And in Crowleys earlierst comments, discussing the Stele of Revealing in the book "The Eqinox of the Gods"2, Chap. 7.6. The Editing of the Book:
I seem to have become enthusiastic, for there is a kind of interlude reported by Aiwaz of my song of adoration translated form the Stele; the incident parallels that of chapter I, verse 26, &c.
What was Crowley actually refering to, when he wrote of a "song called the spell"? Did he consider the paraphrases of the Stele as a song, by chance? It certainly seems so to me. So why presume the word means "Joy"? If I am not mistaken, some "spells" were actually sung by Egyptians. If not, which spell called "The Joy" is actually being referred to on Wikipedia? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Post subject: RE: Question concerning LA I,14 "Spell of Joy"
Posted: Jun 27, 2009 - 06:01 PM
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It's only Wikipedia. Change it to 'song'.
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Post subject: RE: Question concerning LA I,14 "Spell of Joy"
Posted: Jun 27, 2009 - 09:37 PM
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Post subject: Re: RE: Question concerning LA I,14 "Spell of Joy"
Posted: Jun 28, 2009 - 11:52 AM
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Thanks for the info and the link. |
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Post subject: Re: Question concerning LA I,14 "Spell of Joy"
Posted: Jun 28, 2009 - 04:28 PM
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TheDevilsAdvocate wrote: › Furthermore I began to question if "Joy" is the actual, nearly illegible word, at all.
Somewhere in the online material associated with the "Equinox British Journal of Thelema," someone has interpreted that scribbled word as "Sky." Kind of makes sense, with the song in question involving Nuit and all, but I'm not aware of any "Spell called the Sky" in Crowley's writings.
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 04:18 PM
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
I always read it as "V.I. of Spell Called The Jay". I suppose though it is not completely conclusive that it is not ‘Joy’ but the joined up script does have the line from the second letter coming from the bottom of the letter implying an ‘a’ to me. It does mean The onus is there to link the bird the Jay to Nuit is some way. I suspect the answer will be in the Egyptian script somewhere on the Stele Of Revealing or in Egyptian somewhere else perhaps.
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 04:31 PM
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Jay - refers to Blue Jay, Cyanocitta cristata. [Middle English jay, Old French jay, gai, geai, iay, gay, jay, (possibly from Old French gai, gay, so called from its gay plumage), Late Latin gaius, a jay, Vulgar Latin gaius, Latin Gaius, a proper name, Latin root name imitative of bird's call].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay
I found this curriously as the authors name was Jay but it does remind us that the symbol for the soul is a bird no less, thugh it does have a human head usually.
http://www.jayweidner.com/KaBa.htm
I wonder is there is an Egyptian Hieroglyph that is a Jay and what it means anyone know?
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