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Post subject: Ayahuasca, anyone?
 Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 04:15 AM
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93, everyone
In the past year, I've been hearing more and more about ayahuasca.
For me, it started with Daniel Pinchbeck's book 2012, showed up on an episode of Weeds, and now an old friend of mine has put me in contact with a shaman who runs ayahuasca ceremonies.
Is it a fast-track to Conversation with the Holy Guardian Angel?
Is the Ayahuasca spirit (female, linked to snakes) an avatar of Our Lady Babalon?
What do y'all think?
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Post subject: RE: Ayahuasca, anyone?
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 01:03 PM
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you are gonna have to find your own path (as always). get REALLY informed first, erowid.org is a great starting place, as are the podcasts available for free download at the psychedelic salon. beware all commercial vendors. meet people. go by word of mouth. grow and brew your own  |
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Post subject: Re: Ayahuasca, anyone?
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 01:07 PM
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0beron wrote: › Is it a fast-track to Conversation with the Holy Guardian Angel? This sounds like one of those "beginner" questions.
There are many natural substances that can effectively alter one's consciousness temporarily. The insights gained thereby should be viewed as a "preview of coming attractions."
Don't be silly, there is no "fast-track" or else we all would have become illumined a long time ago. (Well, maybe we did! Ha!).
0beron wrote: › Is the Ayahuasca spirit (female, linked to snakes) an avatar of Our Lady Babalon? Since when are snakes a feminine symbol? Spermatozoon = little snakes = male seed.
You can theoretically link any symbol to Babalon, but also to Isis or Nuit, etc.
Of course, if you really want the answer to your basic questions, just get on the plane and take a trip down to see the Amazonian shamans. They'll be happy to give you first-hand experience. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Ayahuasca, anyone?
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 04:21 PM
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93
Yes, I am something of a beginner here, so I appreciate your comments all the more.
When I said "linked," I meant more in the sense of the Universe card in the Thoth Tarot, or the depictions of Babalon riding the Beast with the seven serpent heads.
Maybe, I should have said "a female consorting with serpents." Generally, I'm just curious about how Ayahuasca fits in with some of these other images, although I concede that any connections are possible. Perhaps, it's more important for us to realize that we're the ones making the connection in the first place.
As for the "fast-track," I too have my reservations. Some portray Ayahuasca as a gift from the Old World to the New, a way for the spiritually bankrupt West to get back on a spiritual path. It does sound a bit too easy: mass enlightenment for $150 a pop. We've heard this one before.
However, Liber Al vel Legis, 2.22, does say of Hadit, "I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof." I've also seen a lot of people take these words a little too much to heart.
I guess it comes down to that old adage: it's not the tool, but how you use it. As always, we must choose our own path.
Thanks for your cautionary note, darkflame. It's good advice. I will check out those resources you mentioned. So far, I've been confining myself to youtube.
Blessed be,
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 07:30 PM
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I have to chime in and say that I did meet my HGA in a psychedelic trip, before I even knew what it was that I was doing, or who it was that I was meeting. However, to say that psychedelics are a "fast-track" of any sort is extremely misleading. Psychedelics are more like your own personal Luciferan fall - they shoot you all the way up into space and then let you fall down to Earth without a parachute.
The only permanent result of that trip was that where before I was a mainstream skeptic and rationalist, now I am someone who is making a post on this website. The fact is that the psychedelic experience is akin to leaping over all of your personal obstacles and conflicts of will to see what is on the other side. But what is on the other side can never stick until you actually crawl through those obstacles and conflicts on hands and knees. It's like looking in the back of the book to see the answers without having worked out the problems, when it's the actual process of working them out that confers real knowledge. |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 08:04 PM
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Welcome to Lashtal Psychodelirium. 
I agree with what you say about hallucinogens. They're good for showing you analogous possible states that you could work towards naturally (although I found LSD overloaded my nervous system too much and the only real hallucinogen I'm happy about taking are pantherina mushrooms which have an hallucinogen and a nervous system depressant combined so the trip is quite peaceful). Still - they do show you something. The only problem is when people get far too attached to their use instead of doing the work. I've seen friends go completely overboard so much that their brain chemistry is shot and they have trouble operating in day to day life.
There are some things that people can do to experiment in relative safety, but a lot of this knowledge (most of which was passed on to me by old hippys and heads) is being lost, and the likes of FRANK, which is truth mixed in with government propoganda is taking over. Did you know that the recommended way to use acid for psychological therapy before it was made illegal, was with a nervous system depressant? For instance. |
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Posted: Jul 05, 2009 - 12:37 AM
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| like i said before, knowledge is key. go and read about things on |
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Posted: Jul 05, 2009 - 12:50 AM
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... www.erowid.org
there are now many books and podcasts devoted to these issues. i'd have to disagree with alrah that the traditional information is being lost. there are a lot of people working very hard to preserve it, both the south american traditonal/shamanic use of ayahuasca and other entheogens, as well as the info gathered during the "psychedelic" '60's.
for info on the use of lsd in psychotherapy i can recommend the master's and houston book "the varieties of psychedelic experience", and stanislav grof's "lsd psychotherapy". early researchers were working before prohibition, and with a free and pure supply from sandoz in switzerland, and so were exploring many many avenues, some more profitable than others. the us government took part in some very questionable activities regarding lsd. other reserachers have had unbelievably great results working with autistic, shizophrenic, alcoholic and prisoner populations. gary fisher has some amazing stories about how it helped severely autistic and shizophrenic children.
for an overview of the '60's scene as it relates to psychedelics, try "acid dreams" by martin lee and bruce shlain, or "storming heaven" by jay stevens.
for a modern academic (but sympathetic) look at ayahuasca use in south america, see benny shanon's "the antipodes of the mind".
i've been researching this stuff for over 20 years, so please PM for more in depth questioning! |
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Posted: Jul 05, 2009 - 12:53 AM
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| ... and just one more thing! for in depth information about the plants themselves (obtaining, growing, preparing, effects etc), you could do a lot worse than starting jonathan ott's "pharmacotheon" or christian ratsch's "the encyclopedia of psychoactive plants". |
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Posted: Jul 05, 2009 - 12:22 PM
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We get this here, every now and then. Someone mentions psychedelics and then members start to queue up to reveal their own experiences and personal preferences...
I'm locking this thread with a reminder of an extract from the Guidelines and a suggestion that other sites are more appropriate for this type of discussion:
Contributions that promote or appear to promote activities unlawful in either the UK or USA are specifically prohibited. |
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