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 Posted: Mar 07, 2010 - 07:16 PM
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The vibrational frequency of The psycho-physical substratum (formative body) can be used in many ways.
"We may have looked like human beings to their eyes; in fact they sent us bills and things as if we had been human beings.
.... I humour them to some extent in their delusions, because they're lunatics and ought to be humoured. But its a long way between that and admitting that their hallucinations have any basis in fact.
I could understand perfectly well why the silly fools that aren't insane are afraid of being insane. I'd been that way myself when I didn't know any better.
This rotten little race of men measures the world by its own standard. It is lost in the vastness of the Universe, and is consequently afraid of everything that doesn't happen to fit its own limits."
Aleister Crowley Diary of a Drug Fiend pg 118
Aleister Crowley Diary of a Drug Fiend pg 117
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Posted: Mar 08, 2010 - 09:30 PM
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I always could appreciate David's views. But I can neither prove nor disprove what he says. So I take it all as here say until im presented with more evidence. Tho I do agree with the vibration theory considering the evidence presented by the physics community. If you havnt seen the the vibrational experiments on youtube I say take a look. Its worth everyones time to see thos done.
However, is their a site I could be directed to that shows the signs for Liber Resh?
Thank you for the Crowley quotes thier. Those help alot actually. |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2010 - 09:47 PM
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Seraphus wrote: › However, is their [sic.] a site I could be directed to that shows the signs for Liber Resh?
This one, of course!
http://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Ritual_Signs |
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Posted: Mar 08, 2010 - 11:08 PM
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| How did i miss that!!! My bad, need to use my brain more. |
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Posted: Mar 12, 2010 - 07:58 PM
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neophyte here,
I'm still vacillating, asking myself why I need a practice, or at least a proper perspective to begin.
I found some of the posts in this thread encouraging and useful (understatement).
But, I worry that the escapist in me is driving my attraction. I keep coming up against the same difficult and annoying situations in my life with clients and friends. When things get rough, sometimes I think, "hey what ever happened to the idea of really mastering things, instead of letting other people run you around?" Things have gotten so ridiculously repetitively bad at this point I think I may be ready to start.
I guess I'm here now cause I'm interested in the basic mundane material way this practice, or something like this, helps in managing the basic mundane material things in life. I'm no genius but it seems to me that a lot of my headaches are unnecessary, and perhaps my subconscious is trying to get a message thru, that IT"S TIME TO GET STARTED WORKING ON SOMETHING REAL (in the sense of development of the psyche). Haven't started formal practice of anything yet, but reading a lot of Jung. Sound logic?
I'm interested in Tarot and Astrology, I have a fascination for the cards. I like the Crowley deck and also I am reading Paul Foster Case (Rider Waite). A technical question : should I be careful about not confusing the 2 systems (ie should I choose one deck over the other) especially as a beginner?
Also interested in any reflections on getting started...(what prompted you, what the beginning was like etc...) And the difficulty of working in a world where the other people don't recognize much going on beyond the ego, etc.
thanks, maybe the engine will fire-up this time. |
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Posted: Mar 12, 2010 - 08:18 PM
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rookey wrote: › should I be careful about not confusing the 2 systems (ie should I choose one deck over the other) especially as a beginner?
I'm not sure that this site is the best place for your questions, earnest though they no doubt are. From the Guidelines:
Submissions should NOT take the form of 'newbie' questions along the lines of "Where do I find information on..." (unless the question is quite specific and of a reasonably scholarly nature, and/or the information being requested is not generally known or available). Posts of this kind are likely to be deleted by the editor. LAShTAL.COM is not a beginners' site and many alternative sites exist to fulfill that role. |
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Posted: Mar 15, 2010 - 08:02 AM
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93,
I would like to agree with Brendan and his white bread version of healthy magick and mysticism, but I just can't. It sounds binary and extremist and moralising to me. I kinda get where he's coming from, but the apparent healthy 'solidity' seems calcified, abortive, dead. You could refute almost every position he qualifies as advice, and your work would still Work.
Inflame thyself in prayer. Invoke often. 
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Posted: Mar 15, 2010 - 11:13 AM
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i know im new here but this post intrigues me.
i was told in the beginning that "the consequences of doing Magick and Mysticism?" was that your life would be completely destroyed and set in such a way so you could, after destroying your ego, and overcoming whatever "egotistical/greedy" reason made you consciously decided to do magick to give some physical dimensional reasoning managed to be washed away by the Great Work, and then after coming to terms with your True Will enough to determine for yourself what you wanted your world to be like you could then shape it to your will as you see fit.
however, if you do not complete the work and abolish the ego completely destroying your conscious harmonious understanding, no matter how much of an illusion it was in the first place, can be a very fast track to depression, madness, etc.
when i first started doing any ritual invoking,evoking and being and/or energy for the purpose of raising energy for a specific purpose i always tried to maintain my purpose as to use that energy for myself only so much as i need to achieve the Great Work, even before i used that term to describe the Work, that was my ultimate goal. anytime a being was evoked for the purpose of learning from it or its energy realm, i would only ask it to help me grow spiritually. also well i would try to send excess energies towards the mother earth goddess, in hopes of adding to energies that might help the greater good of all beings on this planet.
especially at first it was hard not to long for material, or emotional wishes and possessions, but it became easier all the time to focus on personal growth. also there was an agreement, when the Work is achieved i must return to others the teachings i have come to know, insomuch as they are able to perceive them.
i am not trying to say by my previous statement that i have already come to the end of the path i just described, far from it but as far as i am along it it has already completely turned my life on its end more than once, but usually things end up better. one of the main reasons in the beginning i decided to join the oto was before my minerval i was told "it's the best thing you can do for your life, but its the worst thing you can do to your life." since that was how i already felt about the path i was following i felt it would fit right into where i was already going. |
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Posted: Mar 15, 2010 - 11:18 PM
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Zelldeb wrote: › especially at first it was hard not to long for material, or emotional wishes and possessions, but it became easier all the time to focus on personal growth.
So, instead of longing for "material, or emotional wishes and possessions", you end up longing for "personal growth" instead, exchanging one false master for another. It's amusingly called "spiritual materialism".
Lucius wrote: › Los, I would add that not only are you distinguishing that which you are from what you "fondly imagine yourself to be", there is further the ability (once you have determined the reality of yourself and the illusions you have of yourself) to consciously participate in an act of creation of yourself as you Truly Will to be.
Not according to Crowley, at least. The will is "but the dynamic aspect of the self", of the "original, individual, eternal essence". It's meaningless to suggest you can will to be something other than you are; if you were something different, your will would be different, too. "Truly Willing" - or, more accurately in this instance, "wishing" - to be something other than what you are is just about the polar opposite of what Crowley was suggesting you do.
"He must behold his soul in all its awful nakedness, he must not fear to look on that appalling actuality. He must discard the gaudy garments with which his shame has screened him; he must accept the fact that nothing can make him anything but what he is. He may lie to himself, drug himself, hide himself; but he is always there. Magick will teach him that his mind is playing him traitor. It is as if a man were told that tailors' fashion-plates were the canon of human beauty, so that he tried to make himself formless and featureless like them, and shuddered with horror at the idea of Holbein making a portrait of him. Magick will show him the beauty and majesty of the self which he has tried to suppress and disguise." - introduction to Magick in Theory and Practice, emphasis added |
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