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Post subject: Aleister Crowley - Auto initiation Ritual To The Neophyte Gr
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hello,
I was checking Ebay for nice Crowley stuff to order, and I found a book (in french) called
"Praxis Magick & Mystique de l'Ordo A:. A:. LIBER 671 Vel PYRAMIDOS Rituel d'Auto-Initiation au Grade de Néophyte 1 = 10 Document & Rituel de l'Ordo A.A. Par Aleister Crowley Rituel d'Auto-initiation. Version dessinée par Aleister Crowley. "
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ALEISTER-CROWLEY-Aut ... 18Q2el1247
It says there are drawings from Crowley
Publisher is "Sesheta Publications" (some french RC inspired occult group.)
Is it a fake or are they really texts and drawings by Crowley himself about the A.°.A.°. ? |
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Post subject: RE: Aleister Crowley - Auto initiation Ritual To The Neophyt
Posted: Jun 06, 2008 - 08:24 AM
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Its prob is real but as far as i am aware Liber DCLXXI vel Pyramidos ; A ritual of self Initiation based on the Neophyte ritual is only a handful of pages long.
It may not have the correct copyrights in order to publish the pamphlet tho, but nether the less they have.
The image on the cover seems to me to be from JFC Fuller, i could be wrong.
They have probably expanded the pamphlet using images from various parties without their consent. |
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Posted: Jun 06, 2008 - 08:26 AM
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I guess I will buy it and if you wish I'll post some of the content.
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Posted: Jun 06, 2008 - 08:47 AM
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yeah would be interesting to see some of the images...
i don't understand French after all! |
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| The cover image is the same as used on The Equinox vol IV no 1, which also happens to contain Pyramidos. I guess they just photocopied the few pages of Pyramidos and stapled them together. Obviously you would be better served getting the Equinox than a dodgy photocopy of some of it's contents. |
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| The Equinox book is obviously much harder to find and expensive isn't it ? |
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| Its not that expensive, look for "Commentaries on the Holy Books' . |
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Vitriol14 wrote: › The Equinox book is obviously much harder to find and expensive isn't it ?
I'm going from memory here, so the $300 price may be + or -, but I'm sure it is accurate.
You can buy the full 10 volumes of the Equinox from Samuel Weiser, Inc. It comes in two books, white with gold embossed lettering on the cover. Each book is equal in size to the Big Blue Brick (but not as tall by about an inch) and it even comes in a nifty little box to keep them together in.
If you buy books from AzureGreen, after a little while they send you a coupon stating you can buy any book of your choice for half price as long as your total order after the discount is $50 or more. That's how I bought my copy of The Equinox (Vol I, 1-10) for $150.  They use Samueal Weister as one of their wholesale sources. |
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Hi Baccus93
How long ago was that?
I was under the impression that they where out of print and no long available.
I have seen the 2no set on ebay but never actually seen them on Samuel Weiser or Weiser Antiquarian.
So can anyone confirm it they are still available? |
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Quote: › That's how I bought my copy of The Equinox (Vol I, 1-10) for $150.
I did'nt find it at Weiser's nor at Azuregreen. At Azuregreen they got this, which may comprehend the textes I'm looking for : "Gems form the Equinox (hc) by Aleister Crowley"
As for "Commentaries on the Holy Books", it actually costs no less than 170 dollars on Amazon . com . |
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Baccus93 wrote: › I'm going from memory here, so the $300 price may be + or -, but I'm sure it is accurate.
93!
I am afraid you are mixing the book with this one, which is really expensive: http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/module-pnMe ... d-99.phtml
Baccus93 wrote: › You can buy the full 10 volumes of the Equinox from Samuel Weiser, Inc. It comes in two books, white with gold embossed lettering on the cover.
Liber Pyramidos is not in one of the original Equinoxes, although those are of course a treasure house of wisdom and wit.
The text-only version can be found quite often and easily, Sothis magazine Vol.2 No.1 has it for example or the Stellar Visions series, and it is also available online. The manuscript with Crowley's illustrations is to my knowledge officially only in Equinox Vol.4 No.1 and most pamphlets reproducing it were simply (and often poorly) copied from there. ptoner's link is highly recommandable, especially if you live outside the US, since the dollar is so low at the moment.
A tip: regularly check out (and better: add to) the Bibliographica Thelemica here on Lashtal.com
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the_real_simon_iff wrote: › Baccus93 wrote: › I'm going from memory here, so the $300 price may be + or -, but I'm sure it is accurate.
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I am afraid you are mixing the book with this one, which is really expensive: http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/module-pnMe ... d-99.phtml
No. I'm talking about the book(s) I'm talking about. The Equinox Vol I, 1-10 is $300 but I don't think Samuel Weiser carries it any more because I can't seem to find it on their site.
Baccus93 wrote: › You can buy the full 10 volumes of the Equinox from Samuel Weiser, Inc. It comes in two books, white with gold embossed lettering on the cover.
the_real_simon_iff wrote: ›
Liber Pyramidos is not in one of the original Equinoxes, although those are of course a treasure house of wisdom and wit.
The text-only version can be found quite often and easily, Sothis magazine Vol.2 No.1 has it for example or the Stellar Visions series, and it is also available online. The manuscript with Crowley's illustrations is to my knowledge officially only in Equinox Vol.4 No.1 and most pamphlets reproducing it were simply (and often poorly) copied from there. ptoner's link is highly recommandable, especially if you live outside the US, since the dollar is so low at the moment.
A tip: regularly check out (and better: add to) the Bibliographica Thelemica here on Lashtal.com
You are right about Liber Pyramidos not being in The Equinox - my copy is in "The Commentaries on the Holy Books" and is a handwritten "illuminated" manuscript of Crowley's. A text only version can be found here: http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib671.html
I was merely pointing out that The Equinox Vol One, Issues One through Ten is (or was) $300 from Samuel Weiser. |
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Baccus93 wrote: › Ps. The Commentaries on the Holy Books and Other Papers (Samuel Weiser, Inc.) only costs 29.95 US.
Sorry to have misread you, in the first place I did not want to encourage Vitriol14, who might not be aware that there are many different volumes of The Equinox....
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the_real_simon_iff wrote: › Baccus93 wrote: › Ps. The Commentaries on the Holy Books and Other Papers (Samuel Weiser, Inc.) only costs 29.95 US.
Sorry to have misread you, in the first place I did not want to encourage Vitriol14, who might not be aware that there are many different volumes of The Equinox....
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That's okay - I counted your misunderstanding as a problem about as much as I count my money! See? I didn't even realise how much I did spend on it. Half of 375 is 187.50, and now that I'm reminded - yep, that's what I spent. And it wasn't like I really could have afforded that much at the time - but I just had to have it. |
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No, you guys are getting confused.
1st, the book cited was the Equinox Vol. IV No. 1, "Commentaries on the Holy Books and Other Papers" NOT the Equinox Vol. V. No. 1, that's Motta's "The Comentaries to Liber AL vel Legis ." That's not to be confused with "Magickal and Philosophical Commentaries on the Book of the Law" (yes, that one's rather expensive, if you can find a copy to buy). Easy to see why one might be confused, the titles (if not the books in question) *are* very similar.
The Equinox Vol. IV No. 1 is out of print. Grab that copy at $45 while you can! The next copy available is going for over $200! I don't recall wether or not Pyramidos is in that one or not... I don't see it listed in the Table of Contents here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Equinox
I'll check when I get home tonite... |
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Maybe the text i was looking for is not in it, I bought the Commentaries anyway, shipping costs included it was 45 euros, so thanks for the link !
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[quote="Vitriol14"]Maybe the text i was looking for is not in it,/quote]
It is in it. Here is a review of the book, copyright The College of Thelema:
Review from BLACK PEARL: The Journal of the College of Thelema (Vol. I, No. 1, March, 1997). Copyright 1997, College of Thelema (permission by editor granted Amazon Books to use). COMMENTARIES ON THE HOLY BOOKS & OTHER PAPERS by Aleister Crowley, with H.P. Blavatsky, J.F.C. Fuller & Charles Stansfeld Jones. (Samuel Weiser, Inc., 1996. Hardcover, 382 pp. ISBN 0-87728-888-7. $40.00) Fra. Hymenæus Beta is the preeminent Crowley editor of our time. Although his name does not appear anywhere on this present volume (subtitled The Equinox, Vol. IV, No. 1), his able hand is visible in both the quality handling of the content, and the beautiful form. Primarily, the volume consists of Crowley commentaries to many Class A Documents; but it contains much more. Its main feature is the 'Holy Book' Liber Cordis Cincte Serpente (Liber LXV), with Crowley's extraordinary commentary thereon. In addition to Karl Germer's small 1952 Ontario edition, the commentary had been serialized by Sor. Meral (In the Continuum, I:7-II:1, 1976-1979), and later published by C.O.T. in a single volume (1995). Unfortunately, in the present book the editor did not see fit to maintain the useful format of these three earlier editions wherein the commentary was positioned opposite and facing the corresponding text of Liber LXV. Other, shorter commentaries are included (on Libri B, Liberi, Trigrammaton, Stellæ Rubeæ, A'ash, Tav, and Ararita). Some have been published before; most have not. Their inclusion lends a welcome completeness to the volume. Frater Achad's commentary on Liber A'ash (written by him as an A.'.A.'. assignment, and then annotated by Crowley) will interest many. Also reprinted are documents important in defining the A.'.A.'. training system -- essentially the same set of defining documents appended, in 1993, to C.O.T.'s The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'. (One Star in Sight, Liber XIII, and Liber CLXXXV -- to which this book adds An Account of A.'.A.'.). These are introduced by a hitherto unpublished Crowley essay titled "Occultism," which includes one unpublished version of the A.'.A.'. Student Examination. A large color plate section includes a color reproduction of Crowley's original illuminated manuscript of Liber Pyramidos. Readers of "John St. John" (in Equinox 1) will recall that, during a magical retirement in late 1908, Crowley adapted the A.'.A.'. Neophyte initiation ceremony into a self-initiation ritual for his use in attaining the 6=5 Grade. This self-initiation ritual is now published. Though known to private collectors for many years, this color manuscript has not been available to most students until now, and we are happy to see it finally in print. However, we must disagree with the editor's labeling it as Liber DCLXXI, since that is the number of the official A.'.A.'. initiation ritual from which it was adapted, Liber ThROA. The one serious embarrassment of the volume is a new paper titled Liber Vesta, which claims to give "the correct designs (with color illustrations)" of the robes for each A.'.A.'. grade. This paper is new, created for the A.'.A.'. lineage served by the individuals who lent it their imprimatur. Except for the Probationer robe, these designs do not at all match those which have come down to us from the A.'.A.'.'s founders. They do not even distantly resemble the many published photographs of A.'.A.'. robes which embellish Crowley's writings. (The correct designs, published in Appendix F of The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'., 2nd. Ed., will be reprinted with further discussion in a later issue of BLACK PEARL.) Our conclusion, based on the colorful and entertaining appearance of these robes and the fact that the book was released the first week of October, is that Liber Vesta was the special Halloween Supplement. A further criticism concerns the inclusion of Blavatsky's (non-Class A) The Voice of the Silence, with Crowley's commentary. This lengthy piece -- constituting one-third of the entire, expensive volume -- was already included in Equinox III:1 (the "Blue Equinox"), and in Gems. It is readily available. Its inclusion here makes no sense in terms of the present book, the Equinox series overall, or service to the audience, and merely cranked up the size and cost unnecessarily. In fact, about 85% of this book's contents are already in print and accessible (which, however, is not inappropriate for a reference volume). Nonetheless, based, if nothing else, on the full color Pyramidos, and the compendium of commentaries, the book has enough new material, of such excellent virtue, as to win a Three Rose recommendation (|||). -- QUIL
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Thank you all for your info and advice ! I'm happy to have ordered this book instead of the french one !
Best regards from Paris !
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