I've often thought that, given his vagueness about just where in Cairo The Book of the Law was transmitted, this vagueness probably extended to the time also, and the dates 8th, 9th and 10th were Crowley's best estimate. A few years ago I came across reference to an entry in Norman Mudd's diary of June 25th, 1923 which I thought confirmed this:
"Till lunch the Beast was digging out the memory of the Cairo period to help in search of authentication of date of writing CCXX."
Yesterday – whilst looking for something else – I came across the reference to this again, and vaildated it against Mudd's diary. Mudd doesn't give any more detail about the nature of this digging, nor the outcome. However, the remark in The Equinox of the Gods – carried over from the account in Equinox 7 – confirms this uncertainly: "It must have been on the 7th of April that w. commanded P [. . .] to enter the "temple" exactly at 12 o'clock noon on three successive days [. . .]."
Interesting stuff. And it does seem clear that AC could not definitely fix the date or place of the writing- or much else about those events. Perhaps this inability to answer the most basic questions about events that he represented as world-changing lies behind his later insistence that all results must be recorded in the diary.
I believe that several here are in regular communication with Aiwass, and thus in a position to definitively answer these questions. One wonders why they do not do so.
The idea of the calendar slipping a notch or two in Spring Cairo '04 has been brought up a lot. Now we see actual, third-party confirmation that the dates had slipped and Therion was searching Perdurabo's memory to get things straight.
Somewhere along the (time)line, he said. OK, and let O.M. cite the exact dates (which may have been off one day), and to establish the Aeon theory as firmly based on 2,000 revs.
As he discovered in Liber 418, "That which is above is not like that which is below."
[...] the dates 8th, 9th and 10th were Crowley's best estimate.
[...] the remark in The Equinox of the Gods – carried over from the account in Equinox 7 – confirms this uncertainly: "It must have been on the 7th of April that w. commanded P [...]
I recall there was at least one whole thread in Lashtal several years back now devoted to the fact that Kenneth Grant in one of his books held out some credence for the Reception actually having commenced a week earlier, and the fact that it was also April Fool's Day had some part to play in A.C. having it changed? I can't imagine why, personally!
NormaN Joy Conquest
"Till lunch the Beast was digging out the memory of the Cairo period to help in search of authentication of date of writing CCXX."
And it does seem clear that AC could not definitely fix the date or place of the writing- or much else about those events.
My first question is why Crowley would need to authenticate the reception dates, unless Mudd had challenged him on it, and to be frank, his quoted statement suggests Mudd was not only ignorant of the evidence he questioned the existence of, but was delusional if it was his belief that Crowley was uncertain of the dates. Both the Liber L. folder, and the Liber L. galley proofs for The Collected Works establish 1907 as the year of the earliest written evidence that Crowley identified the reception dates of the Book of the Law as 4/8-10/1904. Not only were the Collected Works published in 1907, the date September 1907 is written on one of the pages of the galley proofs.
to be frank, his quoted statement suggests Mudd was not only ignorant of the evidence
My, what a wealth of interpretation you draw from just a few words in Mudd's diary. In the first place, there's no evidence nor even suggestion in the diary entry that Crowley's "digging out" of his memory was the result of a challenge by Mudd. Secondly, if Crowley was so sure of the dates, I doubt that he would have been "digging out" his memory. Thirdly, since Crowley couldn't recall the location, its likely that the transmission affected his memory of the events. Fourthly, what makes you suppose that the reference in the proofs of the Collected Works was not similarly his best estimate?
I recall there was at least one whole thread in Lashtal several years back now devoted to the fact that Kenneth Grant in one of his books held out some credence for the Reception actually having commenced a week earlier, and the fact that it was also April Fool's Day had some part to play in A.C. having it changed?
This stems from a curious change in The Equinox of the Gods, in the account of the reception of The Book of the Law. The account is similar to the account in Equinox 7, except that the charge by Rose – that Crowley should enter the temple on three successive days – was given not as the 7th April but as the "First". It was Achad who first drew this to Yorke's attention in their correspondence of 1948/49. Subsequently, Yorke acquired the typescript that Crowley had sent to the printer, and the change wasn't on there. (This typescript is in the Gerald Yorke Collection at the Warburg, in the archive OS K2.) It's always possible, of course, that Crowley made the change during proof corrections, none of which have surfaced to date; in support of this, the changed date isn't mentioned in the errata slips of the issues of The Equinox of the Gods publication in 1936 and reissue in 1937. However, since Crowley carried on marking April 8th, 9th & 10th as the dates of transmission, it's all a mystery.
8th, 9th & 10th as the dates of transmission, it's all a mystery.
This entire rendition of the mysterious appearance of a changed date is a fine example of Higher Fiddling, which transcends QBL in all its forms. The solution is found in that quaint affirmation, I will interprete all pehenomena as a particular dealing ...
@herupakraath Since it seems implausible that Mudd made this all up (with a future conspiracy theory in mind?) and it is all over the place that quite a few things (including the date) were a little unclear, I would think that it could very well be a fact that AC searched his memory again for the "real story", even after having published a date. If I remember correctly it was in Cefalu that the manuscript had been backed up with linen (and maybe cut a little unprecisely sometimes) so it would seem like a good reason that he was trying to get some things straight one more time, maybe having a future improved publication in mind. The Tunis edition came later as well as EOTG which has spurious dating also. To me the exact date is irrelevant anyway. Without being pert: you claim to be (or have been) in contact with Egyptian Adepts, did they or can they say more about that?
Without being pert: you claim to be (or have been) in contact with Egyptian Adepts, did they or can they say more about that?
I thought it pert[inent] though, Lutz!
(And if they decide to respond sensibly, I've got a few more questions they could answer too...)
Secondedly yours
N Joy
I will interprete all pehenomena as a particular dealing ...
Since it seems implausible ...
i have interpreted the phenomenon, which is composed of various opinions and scattered dates, and the Sudanese Adepts appearing, saying ... At this point in time, anything within a few years will suffice.
Sudanese Adepts
Are you referring to descendants of the Nubians?
And are Thelemites maybe Nu-bians or just Newbies?
Well it is still early...
Now regarding the discrepancies of dates, it might be, for this very fact that there is this published flux, which might be more than an April Fools prank, that the affirms the twilight nature of the transmission, even if received at precisely at Noon for three successive days...but which three days(?).
Well one can hedge one's bets, by having Feast Days for the First, Second and Third of April along with that of 8th. 9th, and 10th....and then seeing if one gets a sign of some sort...(for of course a scientific experiment to confirm the rapture)
In the first place, there's no evidence nor even suggestion in the diary entry that Crowley's "digging out" of his memory was the result of a challenge by Mudd.
In his diary of the same period, Crowley indicates he was relying on Mudd to offer a more objective view of things that he could temper his own perceptions against. It was Mudd, only a few days later, that challenged Crowley's efforts to produce objective evidence of the existence of Aiwass, which led to Crowley abandoning his effort to do so.
The evidence I alluded to is written proof of the reception dates in the form of the Liber L folder or the Liber L galley proofs, neither of which we can be certain that Mudd ever saw. Perhaps Crowley was trying to remember where those documents were, or had even forgotten about them at that point, and was trying to remember if there was any written evidence of the dates.
Secondly, if Crowley was so sure of the dates, I doubt that he would have been "digging out" his memory.
Crowley makes no mention of anything related in his journal, or of Mudd on that date. Crowley was 48 years old, and far from being a doddering old man with a failing memory, which makes Mudd's statement appear sarcastic. When Crowley received and wrote down verse 38 of the second chapter of Liber Legis, and reviewed it a few hours later, the need to make a note of the date would have been paramount, had he not already done so.
to help in search of authentication of date of writing CCXX."
Again, this appears to be a possible constructive critical challenge for Crowley to authenticate the dates the Book of the Law was written.
However, the remark in The Equinox of the Gods – carried over from the account in Equinox 7 – confirms this uncertainly: "It must have been on the 7th of April that w. commanded P
Regardless of the date Rose informed Crowley about the reception of the Book of the Law and his role in it, he would have needed time to prepare, which included purchasing the quarter ream of paper which contained the exact count of sheets needed to create the holograph. From the time Aiwass started communicating through Rose, until the reception of the text, was a leisurely three weeks; based on the time frame of the events, there was no reason to not give Crowley a week to prepare for the reception, and at least one good reason to do so.
To me the exact date is irrelevant anyway. Without being pert: you claim to be (or have been) in contact with Egyptian Adepts, did they or can they say more about that?
The date is highly relevant. When organizing a magical working, if possible one would want to choose a date that has symbolic significance, and in this case, it can also be used to magically defeat efforts to argue a different date for the reception. On most years, April 8th is the 97th day of the Julian calendar year, which is interesting in light of the phrase Do what thou wilt having a Tri-key gematria value of 97. However, 1904 was a leap year, causing February to have an extra day, and April 8th to be the 98th day of the year: the Tri-key gematria value for Book of the Law equals 98, thus confirming the date using magical symbolism.
Are you referring to descendants of the Nubians?
I was thinking more along the lines of Nubia being subjugated by Ahmose I and his general, Turi - back in the 18th dynasty - when there was an "Aeonic" shift from the so-called Intermediate Kingdom to the New Kingdom. This was a more spectalular changeover than the 500 BEV episode that revolved around Ankh.
I am hesitant to claim contact with Egyptian Adepts, as that phase has already been trademarked.
And are Thelemites maybe Nu-bians or just Newbies?
This depends. Anybody calling us Thelemites better look close into that word - for there are therein three grades, the Newbie, the Non-doubter, and the Nu-beings.
Well one can hedge one's bets, by having Feast Days ...
I hedged out of this samsara a long time ago. I do not observe feasts. My birthday, on The Equinox this year, as it was at the time of my birth, is being celebrated by people arriving from distant hell holes (L.A. = 31) in order to create a feast. How shall He destroy himself?
I observe equinoxes and causally note Solstices.
I'm only laying out my non-preferences as a subtle recommendation to get out of feasting.
The date is highly relevant.
Yes, the date is relevant to historians, astrologers, possibly Qabalists, or anyone whose paradigm includes building a solid historical base under their pyramidal effort. It is irrelevant to anyone who does not care about the exact date ... or even if it was started in 1901 and tidied up in 1906, with or without watermarks or diary notations.
On most years, April 8th is the 97th day of the Julian calendar year ...
Dwtw
April 8 is usually the 98th day of the calendar year, 99 in Leap Years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_8
Litllwtw
O.L.
The date is highly relevant. When organizing a magical working, if possible one would want to choose a date that has symbolic significance, and in this case, it can also be used to magically defeat efforts to argue a different date for the reception. On most years, April 8th is the 97th day of the Julian calendar year, which is interesting in light of the phrase Do what thou wilt having a Tri-key gematria value of 97. However, 1904 was a leap year, causing February to have an extra day, and April 8th to be the 98th day of the year: the Tri-key gematria value for Book of the Law equals 98, thus confirming the date using magical symbolism.
So, as @threefold31 just pointed out, 1904 missed both of these super nice Tri-key gematria hits. Let me be honest, I cannot imagine that you didn't know this and was just supposing nobody would check. It also leaves my Egyptian-Adepts-question unanswered, as I think this date thing was the answer. Since this (fake numbers) happened already a few times before I hope you can instantly come up with another super-important Tri-key gematria for 99, the clock is ticking. No thanks in advance.
P.S. Please do not got to the "it must have been the 7th of April" rescue. Unless of course, you find a super good explanation for the 6th, which would have been Do-What-Thou-Wilt-day.
@threefold31 Thanks for that, I was nearly about to check but got distracted by work (not Great Work).
That ol' devil fencepost error, ouch!
As he always does when caught out in these (rather frequent) howlers, our Doughty Texas Prophet will disclaim it as petty stuff, but they do add up, and make us wonder if those "Egyptian Adepts" might not be mere mischievous praeterhuman pranksters.
Dwtw
I figured one of us would get to it.
If we're going to use gematria to provide corroborating evidence, then the undisputed Greek gematria of 93 for the word Thelema, announced on the first day of the writing, could have been on April 2, which was the 93rd day of 1904. This would have then coincided with the start of chapter 3 on April 4, a couple minutes after a massive earthquake in Bulgaria:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1904_Kresna_earthquakes
The earlier date would have allowed "about a fortnight" until departure on the Isis, to meet up with Annie Besant.
Litllwtw
O.L.
The earlier date would have allowed "about a fortnight" until departure on the Isis, to meet up with Annie Besant.
I was just thinking about that (as the "For the Thelemites" blog showed it would have been nearly - but not totally - impossible for Ms. Besant to be on such a late cruise and make the gigs she did in Italy), and also the easy timeframe for AC to get to Paris to meet up with ... whoever it was, I can't come up with the name right now, but which was also supertight (though not totally impossible) if AC had left after April 10.
Since the Liber L proof folder (remember, it never held the manuscript, being too small) and the Collected works proofs were never published, does anybody know by heart when was the first "official and traceable" instance of the 8,9,10 date? As I said, I am at work and cannot check right now and my memory isn't really good.
@shiva A Happy coming Birthday!
And a Happy coming Equinoxical experiences for all these coming days!
And the word of the Equinox (?) we shall see...but what caught my attention today from Liber Legis is the word "yonder".
Regarding the date of the Book of the Law, I think the bifurcation of dates provides leeway of uncertainty for when might actually tune in to the current, which then might give a means of better attuning to the current, where uncertainty about the exoteric crossover point might give way to a greater esoteric appreciation.
As such I am not talking about Astrology or Qabalistic proofs but the weather of one's connection to the current.
It was Mudd, only a few days later, that challenged Crowley's efforts to produce objective evidence of the existence of Aiwass, which led to Crowley abandoning his effort to do so.
It was also Mudd's challenging, and questioning, and generally being a probing pain in the backside that led to Crowley's writing of The [Tunis] Comment to get him off his back (side).
When Crowley received and wrote down verse 38 of the second chapter of Liber Legis, and reviewed it a few hours later, the need to make a note of the date would have been paramount, had he not already done so.
Seeing as how A.C. went to such considerable pains to ensure the interpretative integrity of the holograph manuscript of AL it seems incredible he could also be so lax around these other issues.
I do not observe feasts. My birthday [...] is being celebrated by people arriving from distant hell holes in order to create a feast. [...]
I'm only laying out my non-preferences as a subtle recommendation to get out of feasting.
What's wrong with feasting at these times - aren't they meant to be occasions for rejoicing? What is it, you just don't like eating food or something?!
And can't you just to tell (some or all of) these people not to come - what, they're just rolling up to your gaff uninvited?
How shall He destroy himself?
Now there's a god question. In physics energy can't be destroyed, only transformed.
Plus, it might not go down too well at the vaunted celebration if you tried this - all sorts of mutterings about "party pooper" & the like...
It is irrelevant to anyone who does not care about the exact date ...
But should they about it? And why would you not "care" about its significance in the past and yet value that same precision when it comes to the business of the exactitude of forecasting e.g. the Harmonic Convergence, the ending of the Aztec calendar, and the next 'big event' etc?
Happy birthday & Equinox to one (you) and all,
N Joy
As he always does when caught out in these (rather frequent) howlers, our Doughty Texas Prophet will disclaim it as petty stuff
Yes, I know, but I am still interested in how he will wrestle himself out of this "fauxpas".
"The date is highly relevant. When organizing a magical working, if possible one would want to choose a date that has symbolic significance, and in this case, it can also be used to magically defeat efforts to argue a different date for the reception [...] thus confirming the date using magical symbolism."
I mean, it was just unconfirmed (disconfirmed?). BIG Fuckup from the Egyptian Adepts here.
Let me read this again:
"it can also be used to magically defeat efforts to argue a different date for the reception"
This "magical defeat" just backfired heavily here, didn't it? It would all be so nice, because I really really like the elegance of the Tri-key, but aside from Tim Moss being the one that followeth after, all Tri-key "proof" so far was really really spurious. Now let's wait for the complete new system of Magick that these Adepts brought to him. Or maybe let's not wait, it should have been here by now...
It was also Mudd's challenging, and questioning, and generally being a probing pain in the backside that led to Crowley's writing of The [Tunis] Comment to get him off his back (side).
Could you imagine the "Comment" Crowley would have written were he to be embroiled in our diverse discussions here?
"Discussion of Liber AL is forbidden. In fact, discussing ANY of my work is forbidden. Discussion of ME is forbidden. This website is forbidden. You know what...ALL of you are forbidden!"
Equinoctial greetings NOT being forbidden, I extend them to you all! 🙂
BIG Fuckup from the Egyptian Adepts here. [....] Now let's wait for the complete new system of Magick that these Adepts brought to him. Or maybe let's not wait, it should have been here by now...
It does give one to wonder just what these Egyptian Adepts are up to here, doesn't it?
Maybe these Egyptian Adepts are just really bad at arithmetic? Seems odd with such gematria-obsessed entities, but whatevs....
Success is thy proof.... AL III:42
Success is your proof... AL III:46
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 7:16-20
And can't you just to tell (some or all of) these people not to come - what, they're just rolling up to your gaff uninvited?
You have provided the perfect question to lead into today's activity. This is the first day of the Equinox ceremony (Sep 21, for the record). They arrived in a new, rented (at the airport) four-wheel drive king-cab expedition model. We departed to the first portal of escape in case of Armageddon (Megido), the motel/trailer park. We quickly proceeded to the second portal, where gas groceries light camping stuff and likker are available.
The third and final portal is a mind-blower. I will post pictures, of which we have several, if any interest is shown, but on a new thread that I will initiate under "stuff." Crowley will be linked. Before returning to the scheduled topic, Leah, I will add as a footnote that on the way back, we stopped to make sure the new machine-gun worked. It did. And it is perfectly legal to own one in New Mejica.
So, you see, how could I tu7rn down an adventure that I created and called.
And why would you not "care" about its significance in the past
Negatives are hard to prove, so we'll just side-step this one. But, more generally speaking, since your MIA and return, a new concept in graduation, grading, degrading, and repositioning has given rise to the Post-Thelemic Syndrome, wherein posters either claim or infer their Post-Thelemic status. It was pictured in correlation to the Water Under the Bridge metaphor.
There are 2 or 3, maybe 4 or 5, posters here who have actually used that term in reference to themselves and are thus identifiable with a good search-borg, or they might have used other phrases when putting Thelema into [their] perspective.
These Adepts, who may have among them a Egyptian or two, or maybe not, have also described when they would hang around here where no value is to be found (?) My Oath prevents me from restoring that insight into visible view.
... and yet value that same precision when it comes to the business of the exactitude of forecasting e.g. the Harmonic Convergence, the ending of the Aztec calendar, and the next 'big event' etc?
But that was then. I was "involved" in those things as part of my work. When I fanally sat down just a few years ago to write out books from an empty page (it was The Master Codex), in the very first chapter, I ended it by making fun at every one of them. This is because they are all interesting up front, lead to certain results if you get involved and put in some Chi (work), but fail to produce the final result.
I am presently writing about the final confucian confused fusion in 10D, which is an exposition of Kether, and it really doesn't mix well with feasts, machine guns, and justifying why anybody might not be interested in some thing or date, about which other people are obsessed.
Happy birthday & Equinox to one (you) and all,
Thank you, kindly
"it can also be used to magically defeat efforts to argue a different date for the reception"
Pretty heavy stuff rumbling out of Geburah. However: If one is "magically defeat[ing] efforts to argue a different date for the reception," it seems they are involved in levels common to the shamans of the Amazon, r any similar culture. It may be interesting, but it seems rather like not The Great Work.
it should have been here by now...
These things take time. It takes time to put a Cefalu story together, without holes like other authors offer. It takes a LOT of time to condense a new system for Magi ... without the usual holes.
It takes transcendence of time to write 10D, and I just reached over and pushed "ON" on the pure (no internet allowed) borg-set. So I'll leave now ...
[poof]
30 + 29 + 31 + 8 = 98
I mean, it was just unconfirmed (disconfirmed?). BIG Fuckup from the Egyptian Adepts here.
The only confirmation is the lack of ability on your part and others to perform a simple addition calculation.
it can also be used to magically defeat efforts to argue a different date for the reception.
What a strange bunker mentality this remark betokens. In the first place, the OP to this thread doesn't "argue a different date for the reception", and if you think it does then you have a remarkable talent for misinterpretation. Personally I go along with Shiva: the book was written, and I'm not too fussed about whether or not in was 8th to 10th of April or some other date. The change of date in The Equinox of the Gods is fascinating, though. Yorke and Jones discussed it across several letters that are published in The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat (Starfire Publishing, 2020). At first, Yorke argued that it was a typo by the printer; however, replacing 7 with "First" seems a bit elaborate for a typo. It's also interesting that there were errata slips in both the 1936 edition and the 1937 reissue, but "First" wasn't listed.
It was your phrase "magically defeat" which is to me the strangest aspect of your remark, redolent perhaps of Dennis Wheatley. The method by which you "magically defeat" the perceived heretics is by use of a gematrical key. Pardon me, but I don't feel "magically defeated".
30 + 29 + 31 + 8 = 98
Interesting equation. BUT: Did you know that January has 31 days, not 30 days?
So the correct sum is:
31 + 29 +31 +8 = 99
Helpful mnemonics for those who, like you and those "Egyptian Adepts", have difficulty with remembering how many days are in different months:
"Thirty days hath September..."
The only confirmation is the lack of ability on your part and others to perform a simple addition calculation.
Someone certainly lacks the ability to do simple arithmetic, that's true. Your arrogance in continuing to post things like the above when you are dead fucking wrong, and after it has been explained to you how and why you are dead fucking wrong, continues to impress.
As usual, learn to quit when you're behind, the first law of holes is stop digging when you're in one, etc.
30 + 29 + 31 + 8 = 98
The only confirmation is the lack of ability on your part and others to perform a simple addition calculation.
Hilarious. So in your world (or in the world of Egyptian Adepts) January 1st ist the zero-est day of the year? Fiddling at its best. You could have avoided that by saying April 8 was so many days away from January 1st, but not only does that sound totally boring it would also make January 1st strangely important. But you said April 8th IS THE 98th DAY IN A LEAP YEAR which it clearly isn't. This behaviour now doesn't add much credibility to your whole "Me is the one that followeth after" campaign.
Yes, in addition to learning how many days are in the different months, @herupakraath should get those "Egyptian Adepts" to explain to him the difference between, on the one hand, "Calculat[ing] the difference between two dates" (as he erroneously did with his screen-shotted online calculator), and, on the other hand, counting the number of days elapsed by a certain date, like say April 8, as we want to do here.
If the Amarillo Augur were to do that, then, when he used online date calculators to try to substantiate his erroneous beliefs, he would be able to select the correct choice of operation for his purposes. And would learn the correct answer.
Instead of publicly humiliating and be-clowning himself, yet again.
The difference between those two things is what i mentioned above:
That ol' devil fencepost error, ouch!
But, of course, some folks are so arrogant that, even when their errors have been explained to them, they just can't stop.
Your reply below, is important
Dwtw
I figured one of us would get to it.
If we're going to use gematria to provide corroborating evidence, then the undisputed Greek gematria of 93 for the word Thelema, announced on the first day of the writing, could have been on April 2, which was the 93rd day of 1904. This would have then coincided with the start of chapter 3 on April 4, a couple minutes after a massive earthquake in Bulgaria:
The earlier date would have allowed "about a fortnight" until departure on the Isis, to meet up with Annie Besant.
Litllwtw
O.L.
For as one who has celebrated 8910 and 123, that bifurcation predicated by the narrative and memorandum of the Equinox Of The Gods as one of Kenneth Grant's later books addressed in the miliua of the creative occultism of the mauve zone...I will note that the now published papers of Frater Achad,(thanks @Michael-Staley) finds his letters mentioning the date issue from EOTG and of course the date April 2, 1948 as the "incoming of The Aeon of Truth and Justice" of that date announced by letter to Gerald Yorke and others.
I'm not too fussed about whether or not in was 8th to 10th of April or some other date.
You have revealed yourself as having post-Thelemic tendencies. The trick is, as we know, to engage "other" concepts, after a while finding them to be the same, withe different numbers and names, but then we can not avoid dabbling in the past (Cefalu, Cairo, Thebes, Sumeria, Indus Valley, Atlantis) because, you know, the, um war, is still going on. Horus has not yet left the building.
It was your phrase "magically defeat" which is to me the strangest aspect
No comment.
"Egyptian Adepts", have difficulty with remembering how many days are in different months:
So do I, and I (to my knowing) have no Egyptian DNA in my vehicular composition.
The only confirmation is the lack of ability on your part and others to perform a simple addition calculation.
"Your," you, and let's include me as well, plus the other deficient math Lords, do not care about the sum, as everything has been rounded off during the transcenscion.
The phase "not care," whether uttered by an offender or an accuser, can be problematic. When trolls get cornered, they always start screaming I don't care ! But, of course, they do care, as that is why they are screaming..
I use the "don't care" flag, in this case, not as repression, but as transcending the notion. One correct identifier of this procedure says ... drops below the threshold of consciousness. One may think of it in this simpler metaphor ...
One has to clear away a lot of misconceptions in order to get stabilized at 5=6. He or she will remain Tipharethized as long as the embroiled mess below Paroketh remains below Paroketh ... which is to say it has dropped below the threshold (lower limit) of awareness.
So one might wish to be cautious of the two-edged sword of not caring.
As far as math errors go, along with the ending number of any moonth (why do they mis-spell this word?), it will all come out in the end at the bottom-hard-line, which is composed of a dual (of course) devilish system that features your financial statement and your tax return money-grab form.
Horus has not yet left the building.
Officially, yes, I suppose...but lots of forerunners have done well to lay tracks for the upcoming transition. There was, of course, Leah Hirsig, Frater Achad, then Kenneth Grant, of course Jack Parsons and Marjorie Cameron...all of them and others portended the Hierophantic Movement that is soon to be upon us!
Obviously, you may not agree -- which is okay, do what you will. But I, and a great many others, think that a Great Shift is in the works!
Happy Equinox!
Cheers,
777
nteresting equation. BUT: Did you know that January has 31 days, not 30 days?
So the correct sum is:
31 + 29 +31 +8 = 99
My mistake: I've been busy with more important things and should have double-checked the numbers; the confusion was in the result produced with the calculator; when the numbers matched I assumed the values were correct. So indeed, April 8th 1904 was not the 98th day of the year, but 98 days had passed before the dictation began, and 98 is the gematria value of Book of the Law.
the upcoming transition
We are now in the transition and have been for a while. The Black Lodge has cited 2030 as the installation year of their agenda, while I have pre-announced (prenounced?) 2029 as the tipping point. Upon re-calculation, right here on some threadworn thread, I came up with 2023. Iny case of any of these years, we are in it.
Or perhaps you refer to "the 500-years of dark ages" transition, as predicted by Therion, "if they don't do as I say." [paraphrazed from dim memory]. He implied they wouldn't listen.
There are transition periods and tipping points. The tippy points are usually somewhere near the middle of the transition period. Trans periods, astrologically, are said to last 250 years. So one can start at April 1904 and go figure.
Without reference to politics, racial considerations, economics, or gender inequality or equality, Chapter 3 of the transition is now in full sway in certain major cities where businesses are leaving. I actually do not expect to see the Ch 3 version of the transition - out her in rurality, but we are semi-prepared.
With Initiation being defined as "a series of controlled energy impacts" (according to Bailey), I have come to the conclusion that aligning one's consciousness with one's internal gyroscope is the key to getting through the transition. This seems to be an evolving thing to master.
Obviously, you may not agree
I agree completely with the list of the Saints you have writ.
So one can start at April 1904 and go figure.
Actually, it all started in 1875, then just a bit was shewn in 1904...but you know the rest, of course.
I agree completely with the list of the Saints you have writ.
Well, I'll be blowed! You mean to tell me that you've read my Breviarium? Shiva, you sly old fox, you! Please, whatever else you do, make sure to dismiss all my writings entirely -- they're wretchedly bad, in the most embarrassing way. I choose to forget them all.
And from Aleisterion & Aliana both,
Happy Equinox!
Cheers!
You mean to tell me that you've read my Breviarium?
No, you simply listed a list of names, in this thread, and I agree that they were/are pioneers. If I'm not mistaken, each of them pressed on with relative or complete abandon of concern about circumstances and cultural restrictions.
No, you simply listed a list of names, in this thread, and I agree that they were/are pioneers. If I'm not mistaken, each of them pressed on with relative or complete abandon of concern about circumstances and cultural restrictions.
That was a long, long time ago, and ordeals nearly killed me, after which I was not at all the same. My views and ways have shifted pretty dramatically since then.
I'm wholly irreligious and atheist now. My views of Liber L vel Legis, The Book of the Law, are not now what they were back then, thankfully.
In any event, I wish you and yours a very Happy Equinox! All the best to you!
777
Or perhaps you refer to "the 500-years of dark ages" transition, as predicted by Therion, "if they don't do as I say." [paraphrazed from dim memory]. He implied they wouldn't listen.
In other words, the axiom of "Do what I say - not as I do - shall be the whole of the Law" - "There is no law beyond Do as I say-so"....
Chapter 3 of the transition is now in full sway in certain major cities where businesses are leaving
All being not done well & with business way...
I have come to the conclusion that aligning one's consciousness with one's internal gyroscope is the key to getting through the transition.
What is one's 'internal gyroscope' here, then - intuition?
My mistake: I've been busy with more important things and should have double-checked the numbers; the confusion was in the result produced with the calculator; when the numbers matched I assumed the values were correct. So indeed, April 8th 1904 was not the 98th day of the year, but [etc.]
I congratulate you on the fast-moving sleight-of-hand manoeuvre you pulled there.
Well, I'll be blowed! You mean to tell me that you've read my Breviarium? Shiva, you sly old fox, you!
Apparently Not!
Please, whatever else you do, make sure to dismiss all my writings entirely -- they're wretchedly bad, in the most embarrassing way. I choose to forget them all.
But you've remembered Breviarium, was that the best of a supposedly godawful bunch? Is it possible you can choose to forget that you chose to forget?
[1] Happy Equinox!
[2] Happy Equinox! Cheers!
[3] In any event, I wish you and yours a very Happy Equinox!
Hasn't the event gone & we are past the Equinox now? (or are we doomed to exist in an eternal present aspect of it forevermore? Though that being the case, maybe we're still in the limbo which was precipitated in motion as far back as 2012 - as a [very] small minority of people actually choose to believe rather than just having it as a hypothesis!)
Still here waiting for the En dtimes being Nigh:
EnJoy
Pardon but I seem to have omitted a few points I was going to make further earlier:
Leah Hirsig, Frater Achad, then Kenneth Grant, of course Jack Parsons and Marjorie Cameron...all of them and others portended the Hierophantic Movement that is soon to be upon us!
This is a new one on me. Please tell us all about it!
it all started in 1875, then just a bit was shewn in 1904...but you know the rest, of course.
Exactly what started in 1875? And what was it that "a bit" of was shewn in 1904 - and this then begs the question, when & what was the rest? (which I don't know, of course)
Also,
That was a long, long time ago, and ordeals nearly killed me, after which I was not at all the same. My views and ways have shifted pretty dramatically since then.
This may have been intended as click-bait (in which case I have succumbed like a, uh, sucker) but what ordeals and dramatically shifting ways since then (if not encroaching too much on your private life)? Similarly,
My views of Liber L vel Legis, The Book of the Law, are not now what they were back then, thankfully.
So, what outrageous views were these then?
There are transition periods and tipping points. The tippy points are usually somewhere near the middle of the transition period. Trans periods, astrologically, are said to last 250 years. So one can start at April 1904 and go figure.
Figuring the basic maths out, under this the transition could in theory have started as far back as 1654 (approximately) if regarded as 250 years before the Reception - so that means we have until 2154, and not 2404, for the 500 year transition to finish, yes?
I, and a great many others, think that a Great Shift is in the works!
The Black Lodge has cited 2030 as the installation year of their agenda, while I have pre-announced (prenounced?) 2029 as the tipping point. Upon re-calculation, [...] 2023.
Listen & pay attention, all you ye soothsayers, fortune-tellers, predictionists, etc:
"[T]here is a factor infinite & unknown"
QED?
N Joy.
Listen & pay attention, all you ye soothsayers, fortune-tellers, predictionists, etc:
And recall the words of that great Yogi known among men as "Berra":
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.
That was a long, long time ago
I suppose I could have found Parsons, et al, when I was 8 years old. We drove right past 1003 Orange Grove Avenue to get to the Pasadena Rose Parade. I was also driven right by it for a few subsequent parades on Jan 1. Later in life, I drove to Orange grove Ave, but the profess house had vanished. Maybe somebody knows what year it was demolished.
"There is no law beyond Do as I say-so"....
You have revealed yourself as one who has found the truth in the reptilian hierarchies. There are two versions of hierarchies. One is where the candidate, aspirant, or pilgrim is involved in going up and getting out, and the entire roster of adepts and their assistants is devoted to getting each individual out.
The other version involves excrement running downhill.
What is one's 'internal gyroscope' here, then - intuition?
No, more mundane. You will need to adjust your internal gyroscope/GPS when you begin to experience vertigo.
Figuring the basic maths out
Too late to do any figurin' - we're already in it, as anyone can see, and who cares when it started? Oh, yeah, the QBLists who think dates are important. It would be auspicious to know when it will END, but ... you know.
"[T]here is a factor infinite & unknown"
This is why it's important to drop the nuimbers and engage the wu-wei.
And recall the words of that great Yogi known among men as "Berra":
Clearly a wise man with a rare grasp upon the status quo! Do you (anyone) happen to know who came up with the following definition of a Prophet as "not somebody who is able to forecast the future, but someone who can read and correctly interpret the meaning of the present"? I can't find it in any book of Quotations I have consulted, but know I didn't come up with it myself (although I wish I had!)
No, more mundane. You will need to adjust your internal gyroscope/GPS when you begin to experience vertigo.
Ah, Aha! Check.
Too late to do any figurin'
But I was only going along with your recommendation to "Go figure!"
who cares when it started?
Well you know what they say about that, don't you?
"Don't Care didn't care,
Don't Care was hung
Don't Care was put in a pot
& boiled till he was done."
Aside from that: Some do, and I suppose their viewpoints are just as valid to themselves as anyone else's, and all that... you know!
And apart from which, I was not making a particular point there myself but just reacting to your dropping of the numbers/ dates to begin with! (e.g. 2030, 2029, 2023...)
Recall your own question immediately above:
Maybe somebody knows what year [Parsons' house] was demolished [?]
Looky here, Shiva - are you trying to adopt AC's adaptation of the law of Thelema here, i.e. "Do what I say not how as I do"?!?
This is why it's important to drop the nuimbers
And like with the letters, go on to the holier place?
and engage the wu-wei.
Right! - I wish (sigh!) I could engage with the old bamboo wu-wei whenever I wanted to on demand all of the time ...
Wistfully yours,
N Joy
But I was only going along with your recommendation to "Go figure!"
The feces are now in the fire, not the fan. The planet is beginning to smoulder. The govs are changing tunes - more control is needed. We, the individuals who have no say in the political matrix, are all repidly finding ourselves relying on our own self-reliance. Anyone has the choice to "go figure" if they have something to get figured out and thus cleared their mind ... or they can "not figure" anything and deal with things as they arise, in order of importance if one is to be tidy.
Aside from that: Some do, and I suppose their viewpoints are just as valid to themselves as anyone else's, and all that... you know!
It is a matter of initiation. All The Scriptures tell us that the interpretation of holy book and bugs is variable according to the level of the ordeals passed. "Let him come through the first ..." Their are three levels or grades of of caring and involvement. Let him come through the fourth, and a lot of things drop below the threshold of consciousness.
your dropping of the numbers/ dates to begin with! (e.g. 2030, 2029, 2023...)
Anybody can slip in and out of the four levels. I am particularly annoyed by the necessity of dropping all awareness except on the physical plane problem I must fix. I continue to chop water and carry wood, and fix hoses, computers, cars, and dogs. I would rather not, and so my confessed preferences indicate that I have not reached perfection. When assessing (assassing? assassinating?) another person's post or squeak, it is important to note the vibation hidden behind and between the words. What level is this person channeled this load of refuse from?
Looky here, Shiva - are you trying to adopt AC's adaptation of the law of Thelema here, i.e. "Do what I say not how as I do"?!?
There are 4 levels of woo-wei-woo that can be delivered from ...
Physical (discussions of places, dates, events)
Astral (visions, revelations about one's self - the vehicle. Hopes and fears)
Causal (higher consciousness, angels, naturally-occurring siddhis)
Out (all the above drops below the threshold of consciousness, but any one of them can be engaged upon demand)
My bottom-line recommendation is the bottom item on the above list. If you want to discuss the color of the eyes of a distant relative of Hamid, the Waier, I can drop up to the first item on the list and the minutest details can be evaluated. After that, I will always recommend we drop it and get back to the holier place.
And like with the letters, go on to the holier place?
No shit. You already caught on and gnew what the arrangement was, and are merely causing me to waste time.
Right! - I wish (sigh!) I could engage with the old bamboo wu-wei whenever I wanted to on demand all of the time ...
This is apparently a common wish among those who have touched even the edges of that state, usually for a second or five0. The key to entering is full-focus dharana. The state itself is dhyana, but it's not a static sitting lost of self, it's a dynamic moving loss of self .../ and the mind gets to go along as an observer, and thus one can remember it afterward, cut only if it's in absolute neutral.
This thread has already become incomprehensible chatter...
No shit. You already caught on and gnew what the arrangement was, and are merely causing me to waste time.
No, not at all wasting time, as it's a fairly safe bet that some of those reading won't have caught on or gknow what that arrangement is, and would appreciate (value) things being set/laid out in a more little steps-by-step fashion via the dialogue involved. This is a fairly minor example but that's why (in an untrollsome manner) I sometimes ask things which I already might know the answer to.
This applies with threads in general.
When assessing (assassing? assassinating?) another person's post or squeak, it is important to note the vibration hidden behind and between the words
Precisely so! This is an endemic difficulty with the Lash - or any other web forum, really: it's often quite problematic to tell the sense of tone involved (whether the poster might be (un)consciously ironic, satirical, quite literal, etc) just in itself, but compounded further still if one also has to ponder about which Level is coming through.
Anybody can slip in and out of the four levels.
Unfortunately not all the time and at will, though.
This thread has already become incomprehensible chatter...
Thank you for your constructively critiqued contribution.
Yours from a level playing field-
M Joy
This thread has already become incomprehensible chatter...
This is possibly due to excessive nit-picking over every detail of every word - except the nummeration of those words which are nit-picked on the QBL threads. This is a date thread. It has slid sideways as bobody can prove anything. Youb are free to re-verge the thread with its title, anytime you have the exact date with proof, or at least a finger pointing towards Cairo.
Allow me to revert and say: Who cares ? If anybody is carrying this date question around in their mind, and it pops up a lot during the course of daily life, bill-paying. eating, and the usual four hours of practices starting at 8:00 PM, then they better stop caring.
If anyone already does not care, then it is fine to speculate on the date(s0, after which they (the anyone) will drop it and get on with their work, unaffected by wondering what was true in Olde Cairo.