Very Egyptian, and also very modern drawings and narrative telling the myth of Osiris, Isis, Set, Thoth, and Horus; very nicely done:
https://livewithoutdeadtime.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/the-grief-of-isis/
Unlikely to please the devotees of Set, as it depicts him as he has traditionally been depicted: the evil enemy of Light, and of Horus.
Very cool; thank you.
Unlikely to please the devotees of Set
There's more than one of them here? 😜
I find Set interesting and he might just be misunderstood: light needs darkness to shine in. So Set could be seen as the "Divine Darkness".
I'm still trying to make sense of all these gods. They may seem like they have little relevance today. They could be reinterpreted with modern understanding for example with cosmology: Set = Dark Matter? I don't know. 😏
A fair amount of Satanists eventually reach adulthood, and realize how silly it is to be a Satanist, and decide to be worshipers of Set. So there are a few around, and probably more lurking than posting.
The Egyptians had many centuries to figure out Set, so "misunderstood" may be a stretch. If they say he's evil, he's evil- after all, they made him up.
He chopped up Osiris, and (left out of the short cartoon version) raped and castrated Horus before Horus impregnated him, and then killed him. And he has the head of a non-existent, but clearly nasty, ant-eater/aardvark animal. Probably the ancient Egyptians wisely killed them all off millennia ago.
I find Set interesting and he might just be misunderstood
He killed his brother Asar. What else do you want? Capital crimes have no Statute of Limitations. He's still wanted, dead or alive, by the Horus Rangers. Get him off the murder rap and then we'll discuss lesser crimes and obvious merits.
I'm still trying to make sense of all these gods. They may seem like they have little relevance today.
They are still exceedingly relevant today. See: Archetypes. They change their qualities a bit with the cultures and the times, but Mars is Horus is Thor in any society.
Very Egyptian, and also very modern drawings and narrative telling the myth of Osiris, Isis, Set, Thoth, and Horus; very nicely done:
https://livewithoutdeadtime.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/the-grief-of-isis/
Unlikely to please the devotees of Set, as it depicts him as he has traditionally been depicted: the evil enemy of Light, and of Horus.
To be fair that would be the more modern depiction of Set, but the real complaint and serious issue is the idea that one specific cult myth is the one sole mythology of Egypt. Who cares about Set specifically, it sucks for many other gods as well.
I never like to see historical ignorance touted proudly:(
that would be the more modern depiction of Set
I never like to see historical ignorance touted proudly:(
By "modern" depiction of Set as the evil murderer of Osiris, and bitter enemy of Horus, what is meant is "for the last 4400 years".
What a person means by "modern" is of course relative. It is indeed a shame when folks ignorant of history pose as knowledgeable.
Maybe by "the more modern depiction of Set", our Setian Comrade means the ludicrous post-Church of Satan versions of Set invented since the 1980s?
I simply meant that the evil Set is much more modern, not a "traditional" interpretation compared to the benevolent Set. You far over estimate the time of Set's decline, heck the 19th dynasty was already only ~3,000 years ago and it was a while after that.
Maybe basic history would be of benefit? 👍
Maybe basic history would be of benefit?
Yes, i think it might well help you out a lot. Probably less reading of fringe authors, and a bit of reading actual credible academic sources might help you too.
The "modern" version of the Osiris/Isis/Set/Horus myth depicted in the comic, and central to Thelema, is, as i said, at least 4400 years old.
It is not correct that Set only became viewed as the evil enemy of Osiris and Horus "a while after" the 19th dynasty ended in 1189 BCE, FYI, which is a lot more "modern" than the "modern" version of the myth that goes back to at least 2400 BCE.
Maybe start here? I can't really be bothered with wilful ignorance though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_400_Stela
Weird that it's supposedly the center of Thelema, since "... let Asar be with Isa, who also are one. But they are not of me..."
Some other good resources:
Images of Set:
http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/setfind.html
Deconstructing the Iconography of Set:
Seth - a Misrepresented God in the Egyptian Pantheon:
https://www.escholar.manchester.ac.uk › ...PDF
Web results
SETH – A MISREPRESENTED GOD IN THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN PANTHEON ...
Sorry they aren't picture books 🙁
Actually, the first one is!
I can't really be bothered with wilful ignorance though.
Me either. Bye now.
Have a good one! Let me know what you think of those reads since you're open to receiving new information. Like I said, first one even has pictures!
Edit: if by "fringe" you mean "up to date", try Sky Religion in Egypt by GA Wainwright from 1934.
Edit 2: oh man that fits beautifully!
A fair amount of Satanists eventually reach adulthood, and realize how silly it is to be a Satanist, and decide to be worshipers of Set.
😊 Thank you for that amusingly succinct take on it. That may well be the most likely explanation for why this guy still persists. I am of course trying to find some more "cosmic" reason for why Set still turns up today, this may be futile but one way is to see him as the "divine darkness" that the "divine light" (Horus?) shines in, light doesn't illuminate itself.
The Egyptians had many centuries to figure out Set, so "misunderstood" may be a stretch. If they say he's evil, he's evil- after all, they made him up.
Yes someone in Egypt made him up but he might have started out as a "nice guy" of one group/tribe and then got demonized by another. These things happen just like the god "Pan" somehow turned into "the Devil" with Christianity.
He chopped up Osiris, and (left out of the short cartoon version) raped and castrated Horus before Horus impregnated him, and then killed him. And he has the head of a non-existent, but clearly nasty, ant-eater/aardvark animal. Probably the ancient Egyptians wisely killed them all off millennia ago.
Its all very bizarre and if you have any idea what it means or what relevance it has to us today, I'd like to know. These gods are described in these myths as physical, human-like beings though its obvious they never existed like this. Gods raping and impregnating each other is absurd nonsense if taken literally, so I try to look to cosmology for some modern reinterpretation, the "violence" in these myths reflects the "violence" of comic activity such as stars and galaxies forming and being destroyed. Myself I am not smart enough to figure it out but hope someone else might.
Get him off the murder rap and then we'll discuss lesser crimes and obvious merits.
I'm working on it but it might take a while. 😛
Get him off the murder rap and then we'll discuss lesser crimes and obvious merits.
I'm working on it but it might take a while. 😛
It's easy, there are many ways to:
1. The death of Osiris was needed for him to become God of the afterlife, and horus needed to become a king. Set is the initiator. Heck Set even carried Osiris into the afterlife on his back in the form of a bull, its not exactly hateful.
2. Osiris had already committed adultery with Set's wife, jerk had it coming.
3. Some stories say Set was tricked into it by Thoth.
4. The most obvious imo: that Set predated the Osiris mythology and later suffered the fate of many replaced religions. Considering this is literally proven its a nice option to take. Set was well established in the earliest predynastic records, Osiris didn't show up until the 4th-6th dynasty.
Edit: it takes a special dedication to pretend the Was scepter wasn't a Set animal and isn't featured on the Stele of Revealing. Just a general side note here.
I can't really be bothered with wilful ignorance though.
His name is Ignant, not Ignorance. But a lot of people get that mixed up.
Interjection
Horus and Set are the two sides of the same coin. The problem arises when the coin is flipped into the air, tumbling upon itself, so that some glimpse one side and others the other. Right now, in our real-time as recorded on each post, the coin is flipping through the air.
For the comfort of our hearts and solar plexi, we have been offered, in future tense, a coming Aeon of Maat (Justice, Balance), whose ruler is Hrumachis, the double-wanded, whose name means "Lord of the TWO Horizons."
The current Horus-Set myth indicates that nobody has won. They battle every dawn and dusk. Horus wins in the morning and sails across the firmament in the Ra-boat as Heru-Ra. Ra Hoor Khuit takes his seat in the east every morning.
In the evening, Set takes over. Set takes the seat in the west, and I don't know what that means. Set is seen killing bad snakes in the nightly Tuat, protecting the egg of Ra from being eaten. It's all in the egg! Set rules the night, the dark storms, the unconscious. Set is the Id, the Bast himself, in every person.
I got through the sundown via The Mass of The Phoenix.
Anyway, the tendency in the myths leads us (humanity) through the Horus Aeon, which is hell on wheels because of all the squabbling, to a new-bird-man on the throne who rules BOTH horizons ("horus-zones").
Nothing in this statement has been evaluated by the FDA and no authenticity is claimed, except for that which rings true in your own ear.
Isn't there some agreement that the various myths of Egypt went through recension after recension, and that Set (or Seth) is one of the most mysterious and least understood Egyptian deities?
edit: I posted this after reading Set-Tetu-Ra's most recent post and didn't see Shiva's.
Isn't there some agreement that the various myths of Egypt went through recension after recension, and that Set (or Seth) is one of the most mysterious and least understood Egyptian deities?
This is certainly my understanding.
Thanks @ignant666 for sharing this. My first introduction to Egyptian mythology was in my late 20s while working on a tribute record for River Phoenix.
I was driving by the Viper Room about a week after River had died. The club had just reopened and there was a long line around the block. I jokingly started singing "Come to the Viper Room and die with me" as I found it ironic that the Viper Room would now be the cool spot in town to go take drugs.
My friend and I went to Jack in the Box and I wrote the rest of the lyrics on one their paper placemats.
The track was written from River's point of view and was a somewhat sad sarcastic and humorous tribute to River with lyrics like:
"Come to the Viper Room and die with me.."
"No need to wait for Halloween."
"Speedballs Valium NyQuil and weed"
"Come on everybody do the River Phoenix, dance with the needle if you really mean it."
"The report said the actor died of "an acute multiple drug intoxication" and that "lethal levels" of cocaine and heroin were found in his body. In addition, the report said there were traces of Valium, marijuana and ephedrine, a drug contained in over-the-counter cold medications." -Washington Post Nov 13, 1993
I had written and recorded "Phoenix Blues" in December 1993 and in early 1994 and was looking to write a "B" side for the 7" vinyl record release on Earth Day 1994. As I investigated the death of River Phoenix a bit more I somehow came to the conclusion that River's death closely matched the myth of Osiris.
I didn't know much about Egyptian myths but Edwin encouraged me. River died along the Nile river (Sunset Blvd) out front of the Viper Room (bit by snakes) on the full moon of Halloween.
Present were his sister Rain Phoenix (Isis) and brother Joaquin Phoenix (Set).
They were just dumb kids trying not to get in trouble. But they played into the myth almost exactly.
"After his collapse about an hour later, Mathis and Leaf Phoenix helped him out of the club and laid him on a sidewalk, but few passersby recognized the stricken actor."
"Then they laid him out on the sidewalk and he began having a really violent series of seizures." Davis estimated Phoenix convulsed for about 25 minutes before his brother ran to a pay phone to call 911. Phoenix had no pulse and was not breathing when paramedics arrived, said Capt. Ray Ribar, who was at the scene."
"a classic cocaine overdose." Ribar said.
"He was clinically dead when we got to the club," Ribar said.
25 minutes of violent convulsions with River's head slamming against the sidewalk and no one thought to call an ambulance? Wow.
The "B" side ended up being called "Anubis" and told the tale of Osiris' death upon the Nile.
"Follow me to your new tomb. Down echoed halls a silent room. Do not avenge your death by Set. Through Isis magic resurrect."
Today his brother Joaquin (Set) has risen to the top of the Hollywood ranks playing the Joker character. To me this says we are clearly still being controlled by Set.
I released Anubis digitally in 2015 but had to pull it to be redone. I will get it out again eventually but you can hear an excerpt on Napster here:
https://us.napster.com/artist/weird/album/phoenix-blues
So that was my introduction to Egyptian mythology. The need for a "B" track forced to me to study and read a bit more outside of my usual comfort zone.
The title track still pisses people off to this day. About a month ago someone going by the name Isis Phoenix called the song "Repulsive."
In the evening, Set takes over. Set takes the seat in the west, and I don't know what that means. Set is seen killing bad snakes in the nightly Tuat, protecting the egg of Ra from being eaten. It's all in the egg! Set rules the night, the dark storms, the unconscious. Set is the Id, the Bast himself, in every person.
I got through the sundown via The Mass of The Phoenix.
What is The Mass of The Phoenix?
Hmm, ok I found this:
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Mass_of_the_Phoenix
The Mass of the Phoenix (technically called Liber XLIV or 44) is a eucharistic ritual written by Aleister Crowley, which first appeared in The Book of Lies, Chapter 44, in 1913. The Mass of the Phoenix is an official ritual of the A.'.A.'.
What is The Mass of The Phoenix?
Hmm, ok I found this:
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Mass_of_the_Phoenix
The Mass of the Phoenix (technically called Liber XLIV or 44) is a eucharistic ritual written by Aleister Crowley, which first appeared in The Book of Lies, Chapter 44, in 1913. The Mass of the Phoenix is an official ritual of the A.'.A.'.
Also mentioned by Crowley in one of the fundamental chapters of Liber Aleph, "De Cultu". Along with all the others necessary practices for the perfect Thelemite.
The Mass of the Phoenix (technically called Liber XLIV or 44) is a eucharistic ritual written by Aleister Crowley, which first appeared in The Book of Lies, Chapter 44, in 1913. The Mass of the Phoenix is an official ritual of the A.'.A.'.
It's worth noting that The Mass of the Phoenix is based in part on Crowley's versified text from The Book of the Dead and states clearly the purpose of the stèle.
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The Mass of the Phoenix
This may be relevant to @set-tetu-ra
Its in the Book of Lies as chapter 44. In the commentary he says: "This is the special number of Horus; is is the Hebrew blood, and the multiplication of the 4 by the 11, the number of Magick, explains 4 in its finest sense."
You having found Set = 44 in English and here 44 as "the special number of Horus" could be considered "beyond a coincidence", if one wants to view it that way.
This thread inspired me to be up late last night haha.
https://settetura.wordpress.com/2020/04/16/favorite-art-of-the-set-worshiping-kings/
up late last night haha
You know, if you've ever wanted to get into the Typhonian stuff, remember that Robert E. Howard's Hyborian Cycle (Conan the Barbarian), wherein 'Set' and his worship is often a central focus, is a part of the Cthulhu mythos.
I thought of this when I realized how much you and your obsession with Set remind me of that evil lizard guy from the Conan the Adventurer cartoon.
The Mass of the Phoenix ... written by Aleister Crowley, which first appeared in The Book of Lies, Chapter 44, in 1913. The Mass of the Phoenix is an official ritual of the A.'.A.'.
Yes, that's the burning bird ritual. It takes place at sundown, facing West ...
"Hail Ra, sailing in your barque,
into the caverns of the dark.
"This is the special number of Horus; is is the Hebrew blood, and the multiplication of the 4 by the 11, the number of Magick, explains 4 in its finest sense."
The Lamen of The Phoenix
You having found Set = 44 in English and here 44 as "the special number of Horus" could be considered "beyond a coincidence"
Anything linked to anything else is a "coincidence." The specific term, as provided by Frater Jung, is meaningful coincidence, of which realtes to this 44 QBL synchronicity. It illustrates the "point" I made above, and some folks missed the point, so I'll repeat it ...
Horus and Set are two sides of the same coin.
For those who are stumbling to see how such opposites could be the same, here's the practical, operative key ...
Horus is the conscious mind, Set the unconscious.
The battle of Horus and Set is fought by every initiate'
on the Inner Court.
It illustrates the "point" I made above, and some folks missed the point, so I'll repeat it ...
Horus and Set are two sides of the same coin.
Yes, my "beyond a coincidence" is just my way of making "a meaningful coincidence" a bit more "fun". What I'm suggesting is that when A.C. and "Ouarda" invoked Horus, they also (inadvertently?) invoked Set as he is inseparable from him. If you're going to have an Aeon of Horus, you're going to have an Aeon of Set going on too.
Horus is the conscious mind, Set the unconscious.
That's one way of looking at it, there are others such as Horus = divine light, Set = divine darkness. And it may be the divine darkness is the more "powerful". The darkness can be seen as having a "vacuum"-like quality that "sucks" the light into itself, so the darkness is actually the "force" that causes the light to shine.
That's spot on. One of the most absurd thing about Aquino's "Setianism" is that the claim Set the good of isolate intelligence, the conscious mind. That makes literally no sense and contradicts basically everything about Set in mythology.
Well it was very short but I appreciated it.
Are you doing the singing and guitar-er-ring?
EDIT I can't believe Napster is still around . I used to steal radiohead b-sides and live versions from that and then burn 'sacred unreleased discs' back in school lol
RE the thread topic-
Mick would you care to comment on the role of Set in regards to Typhonian praxis and thought?
Of course I recall some mentions of Set in Kenneth's books but not anything succinct like Set= X= Y
We have the obvious attributes of Typhon to chaos. But it is obviously not quite the same as Set 'himself'
@set-tetu-ra
Was that your little butt getting shoved in a locker?
I was never a jock or a nerd.
I was always a drummer.
And we have special privileges in that we can float between the 'classes' and rise above. Sometimes drummers fly too high.
But in general we are down to earth.
Apologise for triple posting but I just remembered.
What is the use of the Mass of the Phoenix ?
I don't really see much difference in iconography and use between that and RESH.
Nah I was never hated enough to be shoved in and never mean enough to shove someone in. I just kinda stayed in the background.
I was a skinny little shit but I never backed out of a fight and I always won. I always say gumption is worth more than training. Not always true. But if you are batshit crazy it helps. . .
Yeah I was scrawny and on a few occasions I did fight, but I was honestly more worried about not stopping. I wouldn't start but if you came at me or my friends I would be RABID. More ways I'm aligned with Set haha. I was the one time in my HS someone threatened to bring a gun and kill me, had to go to court and shit, that was freshman year at a new school so it made me back off haha. But hey don't mess with my friend in gym.
I guess the importance there is that the kid socked me and before I could even hit back another friend had tackled him. I didn't even need to worry about it, i had bigger, crazier friends :). Not crazy enough to make gun threats though, that kid was nuts. Hope he got help.
I used to steal radiohead b-sides and live versions
Behold! The Day of the thief shall come as a Lord in the night. And the heavens shall pass away with a great noise (of sacred pentacles).
We have the obvious attributes of Typhon to chaos.
This is a tricky sticky. Chaos merely means "gas," where all elements are dispersed and flying around, with no form. This is the primal state for creation, and the ultimate state for the aspirant.
Storms appear to be chaotic (gaseous) and everything gets mixed up, so Set was declared "God of Storms," and thus chaos.
Sometimes drummers fly too high.
Do they fall off their stools?
I don't really see much difference in iconography and use between that and RESH.
It is much more elaborate than Resh. The Phoenix is found at The Hotel Heliopolis, on the same floor as Ra the Magificent, so the icons match. But 44 requires cakes of light and bloodletting, which is much more vigorous than simply salting the sun. Of course, one needs to do it a few times to get the proper feeling.
I just kinda stayed in the background.
Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men?
The Shadow knows.
(old radio program)
But if you are batshit crazy it helps. . .
Yes, we have discussed how the berserk mode is the most dangerous. It worked well for the Vikings. One really needs to do a knockout to slow such zealous folks down.
Hope he got help.
I believe I saw him in my office a few years ago. I wasn't able to help him. He threatened to sue me, so I used the knockout. He was still breathing when I dumped him in his car, but I never heard from again.
Maybe basic history would be of benefit? 👍
Unfortunately for those who seek simplicity, Egypt is far beyond one myth, itself far beyond 16 cute pictures. This site is awesome, it hosts the entire pyramid texts in hieroglyphics and English. Some nice pulls from the very first parts:
https://www.pyramidtextsonline.com/translation.html
146: Osiris, you cannot have power over him, your son cannot have power over him. Horus, you cannot have power over him, your father cannot have power over him.
153: Seth and Nephtys, hurry! Announce to the gods of the South and their spirits : He comes indeed, this Unas, an Imperishable Spirit!
If he wills that you will die, you will die;
If he wills that you will live, you will live.
163: He comes indeed, this Unas, weary of the Nine, an Imperishable spirit, he that bore more than you, he that suffered more than you, he that is more weary than you, he that became greater than you, he who will be happier than you, he who roars louder than you. You have no more time there! Lo, this is what Seth and Thoth have done, your two brothers, who could not bewail you!
Well it was very short but I appreciated it.
Are you doing the singing and guitar-er-ring?
Yes. I'm more of a writer than a player but that is me. Bill Bateman of The Blasters plays drums on both tracks and another friend plays upright bass.
EDIT I can't believe Napster is still around . I used to steal radiohead b-sides and live versions from that and then burn 'sacred unreleased discs' back in school lol
Yes Napster has become just another platform to release music on same as Deezer or Spotify though not nearly as popular as Spotify.
I finally got it together to release some music on Spotify but Anubis had to be pulled because I did it wrong the first time. I will release it later again. The rest of my stuff is here:
https://open.spotify.com/artist/5gSmZnSvi5nM6GygA9oSNc
Life has finally become stable enough to play music again. Equipment is cheap these days so i'm slowly putting together a little practice studio for writing and stuff.
Just picked up this off brand guitar for about $200 it plays nice.
I happen to have my file archives with me here are a few more things:
1. The lyrics for "Anubis"
-along with back side of Jack in the Box place mat which has the original Phoenix lyrics on the other side:
2. OUT magazine called it,
"Audaciously exploitative, practically ambulance-chasing...An instant collectors item."
3. I had planned to use the name "The Weird" for a few years. I liked the historical definitions of the word. The etymology had a lot of history.
Weird (noun)
1. The principle power or agency by which events are predetermined; fate, destiny.
b. Magical power, enchantment.
2. The Fates, the three goddesses supposed to determine the course of human life.
4. A letter from A&R Cindi Peters at Geffen Records.
Note the date: October 12, 1994
5. An old review that's been online for 25 years:
http://eternalriver.tripod.com/phoenix.html
Their bio states that The Weird was formed in 1989 as a metaphysical club, and became a musical group in 1993. They "work with the living and the dead.."
6. A River Phoenix tribute site that includes pics and lyrics:
http://www.aleka.org/phoenix/lyrics/the_weird.html
"Phoenix Blues" song on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoSH_XNXSz0
Again, OPs fault for getting me started haha.
https://settetura.wordpress.com/2020/04/19/notes-on-the-book-of-the-law-and-the-pyramid-texts/
Cool find today thanks to the help of Ms. Lansberry:
Set and Nut holding hands before Rameses III at Medinet Habu, all the way in the 20th dynasty, after which the desecration of Set came.
Cool find today thanks to the help of Ms. Lansberry:
@set-tetu-ra
Murder She Wrote?
Oh sorry- wrong spelling.
Can you find me the source for that photo? Curious to read a description.