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RuneLogIX
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08/02/2020 4:15 pm  

Has anyone done any research on the meaning of Thebes in Liber Al? It is mentioned twice:

 

5. Help me, o warrior lord of Thebes, in my unveiling before the Children of men!

37. I adore thee in the song --
I am the Lord of Thebes, and I
The inspired forth-speaker of Mentu;
For me unveils the veiled sky,
The self-slain Ankh-af-na-khonsu
Whose words are truth. I invoke, I greet
Thy presence, O Ra-Hoor-Khuit!

I was wondering what other thought of what Thebes represents and is it the Greek or the Egyptian city that is referenced? If Greek the warrior reference surely seems to allude to the Sacred Band (and AC's proclivities) but the use of Lord seems to have more specific and higher meaning, perhaps Oedipus as the realization of YHVH formula?

"Continuing his journey to Thebes, Oedipus encountered a Sphinx, who would stop all travelers to Thebes and ask them a riddle. If the travelers were unable to answer her correctly, they would be killed and eaten; if they were successful, they would be free to continue on their journey. The riddle was: "What walks on four feet in the morning, two in the afternoon and three at night?". Oedipus answered: "Man: as an infant, he crawls on all fours; as an adult, he walks on two legs and; in old age, he uses a 'walking' stick". Oedipus was the first to answer the riddle correctly and, having heard Oedipus' answer, the Sphinx allowed him to carry on forward."

I also noticed that Antichthon has the same numeric value as "Of thebes" in NAEQ.

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08/02/2020 6:36 pm  

"Warrior lord of Thebes" refers to the falcon-headed war god of Thebes, Montu, whose cult rose to prominence during the eleventh dynasty (headed by Thebans, as you can imagine) and who was known to the middle kingdom as the 'lord of Thebes'. After a fashion, he was seen as an Upper Egyptian counterpart to Re, whose worship was haply enough centered in Heliopolis, and Montu and Re were later worshipped as one, Mont-Re; I've seen it speculated that this was because Montu's veneration was centered in Iuny, which is similar to another name for Heliopolis, Iunu. For this synthesis with Re, he was later equated by the Greeks with Apollo.

Ankh-ef-en-Khonsu was, as we all ought to know, a priest of Montu.


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Jamie J Barter
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08/02/2020 6:58 pm  
Posted by: @runelogix

The riddle was: "What walks on four feet in the morning, two in the afternoon and three at night?". Oedipus answered: "Man: as an infant, he crawls on all fours; as an adult, he walks on two legs and; in old age, he uses a 'walking' stick".

I always thought "four in the morning, two in the afternoon, three in the evening and none at night" might have been a better way of putting it - the first three for the reasons given, and the fourth because the Man would be in even older age and bedridden (or else in a wheelchair)...

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08/02/2020 7:21 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

I always thought "four in the morning ...

I always though that was a clever, kiddie-version of the real question ...

... which was, and still is, the esoteric version ...

Who Am I? Where the hell did I come from? Where in God's Name Am I going/


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08/02/2020 7:24 pm  

So I've never been clear on this - Montu and Khonsu are the same God/two forms of the same God, is that correct? 

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djedi
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08/02/2020 7:39 pm  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

So I've never been clear on this - Montu and Khonsu are the same God/two forms of the same God, is that correct?

If by Khonsu you mean the Theban moon god of the cannibal hymn, who aids Pharaoh in hunting down and devouring the gods after bodily death, I cannot think off-the-top-of-my-head of any mythological instance wherein he and Montu are even mentioned together. They were both Theban, I suppose, but they weren't even in the same triads.

As to their oneness, that is a theological question and not mythological. There were Egyptian cosmologies which saw all the gods as aspects of one god, but I think this is outside the purview of your question.

If you're referring to thelemic or new age interpretations of these gods, I'm at a complete loss. 


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08/02/2020 8:58 pm  

Thebes is the place of power
where The Neteru can be animated
it is the place of Initiation
Uas the place of the Scepter

Perthro that deals with the mysteries within the runes themselves and the birth of the universe.

Travel there from west to east in the Duat


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09/02/2020 8:43 am  

There used to be a great site (it showed the internet's good side) called the Theban Mapping Project.

http://thebanmappingproject.com /"> https://web.archive.org/web/20061205053032/http://thebanmappingproject.com/

That site is no more. It's a shame because it was really useful as a site to research Thebes and the Valley of the Kings.


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