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Set-Tetu-Ra
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28/04/2020 4:40 pm  

Sources are nice too:)

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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28/04/2020 8:42 pm  

This one gives a pretty good description in audio form:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXF2lv65Vqs


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29/04/2020 8:58 am  

One person who would have known was Aiwass. He was fluent in ancient Egyptian. But Aiwass preferred to let Crowley insert his own paraphrase, which turned out to be a slightly old-fashioned poem.

Parts of the Stele are excerpts from the Papyrus of Ani, so whatever the latest translations of that book are will apply to the Stele as well.


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29/04/2020 9:23 am  
Posted by: @duck

This one gives a pretty good description in audio form:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXF2lv65Vqs

Highly recommended.

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29/04/2020 10:51 am  
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Highly recommended

It is a good video

Someone is going to have to go back to Cairo at the end of the year when the new Grand Egyptian Museum opens - and check the status and location of the Stele


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29/04/2020 3:37 pm  
Posted by: @lashtal
Posted by: @duck

This one gives a pretty good description in audio form:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXF2lv65Vqs

Highly recommended.


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"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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29/04/2020 4:19 pm  

@alan_obrien

I used to find AC's reading of the stele as the least convincing part of the whole "reception myth", it seemed too different to the original meaning and I felt it had little connection to the original Egyptian religion. Since then I've come to see his reinterpretation of the stele as an act of Magick itself, the original meaning is not so important, its the new meaning that brings new life to it.

 

I've had a look at a few translations and I think the one on the wikipedia page is actually quite clear. It describes the deceased as "the Osiris" rather than just "Osiris", which makes it more clear that its not talking about Osiris the deity.


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29/04/2020 4:55 pm  

@set-tetu-ra

 

Turded.  

Very good. 

I wonder if the Egyptian is really pronounced so broken/harsh or if like a commentator states there were more vowels. 


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29/04/2020 5:16 pm  
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One person who would have known was Aiwass. He was fluent in ancient Egyptian. But ...

... but he couldn't spell properly. He changed Nut to Nuit because it sounded French, and Bedhet became Hadit.

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Aiwass preferred to let Crowley insert his own paraphrase

Oh, okay. It was the faking fakir who fiddled the words.

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Someone is going to have to go back to Cairo

Are you soliciting for plane fare (round trip)? Will you need hotel and meal expenses?

 


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29/04/2020 5:53 pm  
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Are you soliciting for plane fare (round trip)? Will you need hotel and meal expenses

My consort Sister Tamsin, being of substantial independent means, normaly provides for these mundane necessities - but thanks for the crowd-funding offer.

Of more interest to me is the extraction plan. HM Government Foreign and Colonial Office has pronounced "the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel" so no travel insurance

Apparently about 150,000 Brits are trapped in parts foreign thanks to varoius travel bans, lockdowns, airline bankruptcies etc. Its getting back that might be the issue.


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29/04/2020 8:42 pm  
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"the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel"

Not now. Since nothing is essential (and only nothing), then we have no basis for encoraging you to go into harm's way. These things sometimes take time.

The Stele has been tracked for years by LAShTAL sleuths. Now that the ill-ordered house in the Victorious city is pretending to get ordered again, all digital probes will be focused on the "new" museum. These people have new museums faster than acolytes can have New Aeons.

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Its getting back that might be the issue.

"Patients are a virtue," said the doctor. "Is it better to wait (patiently) without input or dare the Covid curse and the broken plains?"

 


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29/04/2020 8:54 pm  
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pretending to get ordered again

Wise words. 

Egypt will never be truly ordered.

And we can thank those dirty Limeys. Who I love a lot. Hence the 'ribbing,' by Jove.

 

If there was no English Colonialisms

There would be no Crowleyisms either.

He never would have done the Honey-moon

We would probably not have an AL to LA with. 

I am thinking that, the Great Pyramid has a humongous and electromagnetic, and physical, spiritual reason for the book of LA. I mean AL.  

 

Who knows what secrets lurk in the heart of the Earth, and in crystal bearing stones of large size? 

 

 


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29/04/2020 9:10 pm  
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The Stele has been tracked for years by LAShTAL sleuths

I tracked it down to Room 22 in the old museum about 12 years ago. I spent a long time in the Stele's presence, it was at the bottom of a glass case so I sat on the floor, amazed by it. It was numbered 666, the label looked original. I went back three times to see it, on three consecutive days.

It was in really good condition, almost new - very well preserved I thought. On the back over some of the plaster you could see a fingerprint. I've often wondered if it was Crowley's. I posted all this here when I got back.

We do need to establish the status of the Holy Stele, did it survive the move, whether it will be on display when the new GEM opens - if so, where


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29/04/2020 9:12 pm  

@frater_anubis

 

Thank you for your reminiscence. I hesitate to call ti the Holy Stele though, even as a Thelemite .

 

Now we get into brass tacks which create Catholics out of Orthodox.   It's just a prop, that inspired and channelled the Qi.  Now we can leave it be? or can we? 


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29/04/2020 9:17 pm  
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Now we can leave it be? or can we? 

Each to his own. You can leave it be - but I feel the need to know the status of so august a relic


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29/04/2020 9:25 pm  
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Now we can leave it be? or can we? 

Each to his own. You can leave it be - but I feel the need to know the status of so august a relic

I see. 

Fr. Anubi 


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29/04/2020 9:45 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany

I hesitate to call ti the Holy Stele though, even as a Thelemite .

There is no doubt that it is in literal fact "Holy"- there are two holes at the top, where the "666" label is/was attached. So doubly holy.

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29/04/2020 9:55 pm  

Oh Those Good ol' boys, defacing artifacts by placing holes and placards. lol? 


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29/04/2020 10:04 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

So doubly holy.

Its an interesting language, is Engish. Words that are spelt the same, but have different meanings depending on the context. holy - holey - whole - wholy - stele - steal - abstruct

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29/04/2020 10:12 pm  
Posted by: @frater_anubis

Words that are spelt the same

I meant to say, words that sound the same lol


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30/04/2020 2:03 am  
Posted by: @frater_anubis

holy - holey - whole - wholy

These are all based on the "whole" concept. A Wholly-day (holiday) is not a vacation, it is a day in which one is supposed yo get whole (complete), which basically means forgetting work and getting in touch with "higher" things. Some folks prefer "lower" things on their day off.

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I meant to say, words that sound the same

Yeah, but there are a few baskets of words that are spelled the same, yet pronounced differently, and mean diverse things. You are correct. English is not completely logical. It's those French words they slipped in. English is the second hardest language to learn, surpassed only by Chinese.

 


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30/04/2020 5:10 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

where the "666" label is/was attached

stele666

They might have removed it and stuck on the back? 🤨 Or this could just be a paper label glued on, hard to tell from this pic. It also has the number 4784 which you could number crunch for further significance.

 

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stele - steal

I thought "steely" was the "proper" pronunciation but the Oxford Dictionary lists both, so I guess stele/steel/steal works too. 

and Collins Dictionary

Merriam-Webster also


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30/04/2020 6:40 pm  
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They might have removed it and stuck on the back

That label must have fallen off when I was there. The exhibit label was on the glass the Stele was standing on - the number 666 was handwritten and looked very old. The only thing I could see on the back were hieroglyphs - and just a hint of a fingerprint

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30/04/2020 7:07 pm  

@frater_anubis

Do you remember seeing the other number on the back?

stele4784

 

It appears to be "4.784", less significant than 666 maybe, but I have managed to squeeze some meaning out of it. 784 is the sum of the first 7 cubes:

1 + 8 + 27 + 64 + 125 + 216 + 343 = 784

Its curious that its preceded by a "4" ("4.783"), as this number is a 4-dimensional equivalent of a square pyramidal number (3-dimensional):

 

as can be seen, a square pyramidal number is a (3 dimensional) stack of (2 dimensional) square numbers, 784 would be a 4 dimensional stack of 3 dimensional numbers.

 


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30/04/2020 7:26 pm  
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Do you remember seeing the other number on the back?

Nope. But the solution is obvious - Indium oxide contains 4.784 g of indium for every 1.000 g of oxygen

 


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30/04/2020 9:07 pm  
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English is not completely logical. It's those French words they slipped in. English is the second hardest language to learn, surpassed only by Chinese.

Its not just the French, English is made up of Ango-Saxon, Celtic Gaelic, Viking etc words. How you speak it if you live here depends on where you grew up. You can tell where someone comes from by their accent, often to the city. Like Birmingham, Glasgow, Befast, Dublin. Or the region - West Country, Wales, Yorkshire, Lancashire alll have their own accent

Is it like that in America? Can you tell someone from Arkansaw from someone from Ohio or W Virginia?


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30/04/2020 9:36 pm  

It is very easy to tell where most older people, and some younger folks, are from, and whether a native speaker is white/Asian, black, or Latino/a. The main regional accents are southern, western, California, mid-western, NY/Jersey/Philly, i think.

No American would ever have the least doubt that i am from the northeast, and 90% probably from NYC or else New England, after hearing me speak (i am a product of both). Shiva has a mid-west/California accent.

Younger people tend to speak a multi-racial TV-speak, but there certainly are plenty of regional, and racial/ethnic accents, among them too.

Here is a not bad video of different US accents, i especially like the description of the accent of Maineiacs (persons from Maine) as "kinda like Boston, but cooler, and more drunk":

https://youtu.be/UcxByX6rh24

Their NYC accent is inadequate, one black dude, definitely from the city don't get me wrong. To remedy this gap, i suggest review of the works of Martin Scorcese, especially Mean Streets, and Taxi Driver.

Here's another good one, maybe clearer:

https://youtu.be/G72tZdjnS2A


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30/04/2020 10:10 pm  
Posted by: @frater_anubis

Its not just the French, English is made up of Ango-Saxon, Celtic Gaelic, Viking etc

I have identified French as being the prime offender and I have stated this theory of conspiracy by the French on other threads, so I'll relax this time. Hint #1 - they put letters in words that are [gasp] not pronounced, thus making French QBL harder than 50,000 Chinese ideograms.

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Is it like that in America? Can you tell someone from Arkansaw from someone from Ohio or W Virginia?

Often, but not always. Some people are able to shift from a flat neutral to a distinct dialect. Frater Mont (a Caucasian white boy) was born in Mexico, so his basic lingo was Spanish. He learned English by reading US Comic Books. He could speak New York, Down South, African-American, and his usual flat, neutral Caliphornia voice.

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Shiva has a mid-west/California accent.

I was born in the mid-west, which is not mid-west except by people on the east coast who see Illinois as half-way to the west coast, which it is not (it is only 1/3 the distance). So that base is imprinted deep. I grew up in sunny southern California (at a time when not many people there had any accent other than mine), and I cannot tell a mid-western accent from the California version, but other people accuse me of coming from Indiana or Illinois. I will not be seeking employment or unemployment benefits from any vocation that requires geographical interpretation of vocal sounds.

When I was in British Columbia, I noticed almost everyone pronounced "about" as "aboot," so I quickly adopted the Scottish infusion there (due to many Scots having lived there). Years later, one of my students accused me of being a Scot (due to my pronuncing), which I am by genes to a slight extent, even though I had adjusted my automatic translator to speak in flat English (which Ignant says is MW-Calif, which is very accurate).


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30/04/2020 10:40 pm  

Accents are fascinating. Boris Johnson came from a very privileged background and was privately educated in an expensive Engish public school - he has a very Engish "public school" accent.

They get taught to speak like that so when they come back home for the holidays, their parents think they have got something for their money. They dont think they have an accent at all, but if you meet someone with that sort of accent, you know they are "upper class" -or maybe they learned to speak like that so they could get a better job

Kim Philby, the notorious Russian spy, came from that sort of privileged background. He was recruited by the KGB when he was at university and spent his whole life betraying his country while working for MI6

Here he is speaking in his pubic school accent, denying it all at a press conference The interviewer has an american accent, not sure where he's from tho

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2A2g-qRIaU


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30/04/2020 10:44 pm  
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The main regional accents are southern, western, California, mid-western, NY/Jersey/Philly, i think.

Left out Bahstahn, really New England generally to some extent:

https://youtu.be/rLwbzGyC6t4

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[Mont] could speak New York, Down South, African-American, and his usual flat, neutral Caliphornia voice.

I can do my baseline over-educated street-hoodlum Brooklyn/Manhattan/Connecticut accent, Brooklyn Italian, NYC Jewish, NYC African-American, NYC Puerto Rican, Lawn Guyland, a wicked pissah Bahstahn, Arkansas/West Virginia hillbilly, DC (black, and white, versions, similar but distinct; both similar to California stoner/surfer), a few varieties of general southern redneck (and corresponding black versions), California stoner/surfer, Canadian, probably others if i put my mind to it.

As to "flat neutral Caliphornia voice"- all Americans think people from other places have accents, but not themselves- what we hear as "flat neutral" speech is speech in our own accent.


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30/04/2020 10:47 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Here's another good one, maybe clearer:

I get what you mean - I recognised da bronx accent for sure

Hollywood aways gives guys playing an Engish part the London cockney accent, but its dying out. The area around Whitechappel and Bow is now a muslim enclave, they have built the largest mosque in western europe there


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30/04/2020 11:03 pm  

From assiduous viewing of Monty Python and many British crime and spy films, and a few friends, i can identify class from most UK speakers, and recognize Posh London, Cockney, general Lunnon, Liverpool (Beatles), Manchester (several friends, also a woman i knew was married to Mark E. Smith for a bit), sort of miscellaneous northern, and of course Scots, and Irish.

US speaker in the Kim Philby video is from the Midwest, but is speaking in a kind of generic old-fashioned TV voice.


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30/04/2020 11:34 pm  
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When I was in British Columbia, I noticed almost everyone pronounced "about" as "aboot,"

To be fair, that's a funny trope. This Canadian comedy show addresses it.

Letterkenny - About

 

Abowwt those who claim they can identify the race of a person by the way a person speaks should know they have that skill in common with David Duke.

BlacKkKlansman - Second Conversation


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30/04/2020 11:57 pm  
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Abowwt those who claim they can identify the race of a person by the way a person speaks should know they have that skill in common with David Duke.

I know you are just pursuing your passive aggressive feud with me with this idiotic remark, but any American knows that distinguishing black, Latino, and white, accents, and language usage, is very easy.

Your claim betrays astonishing ignorance, chauvinism/nationalism/parochialism, and cultural insensitivity, while attempting to be "woke". As usual with you.

Obviously, there are such people as black dentist's sons and daughters who do not grow up speaking African-American Vernacular English, which has a distinct phonology (aka "accent"), and vocabulary, and grammar different from Standard [White] English.

https://youtu.be/VpLQmyS7-jw

https://youtu.be/klxGFAnY4nI

[note repeated use of "ignant" in latter]


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01/05/2020 12:05 am  
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Abowwt those who claim they can identify the race of a person by the way a person speaks should know they have that skill in common with David Duke.

And just how many highly rhythmic individuals do they have in the great white north?

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African-American Vernacular English, which has a distinct phonology (aka "accent"), vocabulary, and grammar different from Standard [White] English.

It's worth mentioning that ebonics also has regional variants. Here's a video of one of our severely tanned brothers making a joke of it.


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01/05/2020 12:22 am  

@djedi -Fucking priceless yo, the NYC one at the end where he goes "You know what? Suck my dick!" could be me, despite being a pink Cauc ofay grey-boy.

Awesome rendition and dead on for all the ones i know which is most of them- the DC one (they call it "DMV" for "DC/Maryland/Virginia, and the pun on the same acronym for "Department of Motor Vehicles") in particular. And Philly, and Chi, and and and...

Impressed anyone does a DC accent without saying "Smooke some Booat, duude!", "boat", aka "love-boat", known elsewhere as "angel dust", "illy", "zooty", or PCP, being a big black DC thing, along with the go-gos. But the whiteboy California surfer-dude quality of the DMV was dead fucking on.

And clothes and hair variations dead on too. Pure gold. Thanx.

Same dude, also genius: https://youtu.be/TC8vsyWaKpU [NYC: "deadass", "my nigga", "buggin'", "facts"- straight up facts yo.]


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but any American knows that distinguishing black, Latino, and white, accents, and language usage, is very easy.

Your claim betrays astonishing ignorance, chauvinism/nationalism/parochialism, and cultural insensitivity, while attempting to be "woke". As usual with you.

The claimed capability to be able to identify race by speech(or text, apparently) is based on stereotypes and anecdotal evidence. As was shown by the clip. 

Your defensive remarks reveal your inability to regulate your emotions as shown by your irrational angry lashing out when you feel threatened in any way. It shouldn't be long before you threaten violence again and justify it. As usual with you.


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01/05/2020 12:35 am  
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Your defensive remarks reveal your inability to regulate your emotions as shown by your irrational angry lashing out when you feel threatened in any way. It shouldn't be long before you threaten violence again and justify it. As usual with you.

It just never stops with you, does it?

The Dunning-Kruger-based false belief that you are smart and knowledgeable, coupled with the evident lack of education and limited experience of anything outside your little bit of Canada, the endless psycho-babble, the whining passive-aggressive attacks, the baroque fantasies of persecution, equaled only by your baroque fantasies of yourself as an enlightened adept, they just flow, and flow, and flow...

Like a tiny babbling brook, that fantasizes it is a great, and mighty, river.


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01/05/2020 12:40 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

It just never stops with you, does it?

The Dunning-Kruger-based false belief that you are smart and knowledgeable, coupled with the evident lack of education and limited experience of anything outside your little bit of Canada, the endless psycho-babble, the whining passive-aggressive attacks, the baroque fantasies of persecution, equaled only by your baroque fantasies of yourself as an enlightened adept.

Fantasies of persecution? Like thinking  OTO members and their leadership with imagined youth care enough to conspire to  downvote my posts on r/thelema? Repeatedly telling people how much I don't care about their downvotes because I really really dont?


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01/05/2020 12:43 am  
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[some cuckoo-puffs nonsense]

Do, please, feel free to continue proving my point; we know you have little self-control, and can't really be expected to help it.


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01/05/2020 3:04 am  
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It shouldn't be long before you threaten violence again and justify it.

Oh, dear me.

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your baroque fantasies of yourself as an enlightened adept, they just flow, and flow, and flow...

Oh, dear me.

 

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Like thinking  OTO members and their leadership with imagined youth care enough to conspire to  downvote my posts on r/thelema?

Oh, dear me. Out of bounds. Please keep your punches inside the circle. Some of us don't slum around in Rabbit/Thelmatown.

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Do, please, feel free to continue ...

Break. To be continued ...

 


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01/05/2020 9:25 am  
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they put letters in words that are [gasp] not pronounced, thus making French QBL harder than 50,000 Chinese ideograms

I'm guessing these letters were once pronounced, a long time ago, then dropped but the spelling stayed the same. Similar things happened with English, its pronunciation is out of alignment with its spelling but yes, French is much worse. German seemed to escape much of this (though it has a bit of this "misalignment" too such as the "ei" you get in words like "nein", and "eu" in "neun").


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01/05/2020 1:24 pm  

English has many more silent letters than French, and much more irregular use of them- this is one of the things that makes English so hard to learn for people coming from sensible languages like Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic etc. where pronunciation is phonetic and regular. Even French pronunciation is much more regular than English, since English is a mongrel language, with words appropriated from practically every other language (and usually mispronounced).

My Brazilian wife, after 20 years in the US, still says things like "off-ih-see" for "office", with the accent on the final syllable (that doesn't actually exist in English since the "e" is silent).

https://7esl.com/silent-letters/#Silent_Letters_in_English_%7C_Picture

https://www.thoughtco.com/french-silent-letters-and-pronunciation-4078906


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01/05/2020 6:09 pm  
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German seemed to escape much of this (though it has a bit of this "misalignment" too such as the "ei" you get in words like "nein"

Well, NEIN is pronounced as NINE, which is the way it should be spelled.

Oh, Lookit!  They both add up to the same number, regardless of which system of numeration one adopts.

 


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01/05/2020 7:40 pm  

@shiva

 

I agree with Iggers on this one.  

 

European vowel sounds and spelling wise make far more sense,  phonetically speaking.

 

In pretty much all the European languages I can think of that I know a bit of (German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech) they pronounce the vowels like so, it is also their 'name'

 

A - ah

E - ae/aei

I - ee

O - oh

U - oo

 

Office= oh-fee-see 

Rabbit = ra-beet etc


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christibrany
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01/05/2020 7:44 pm  

Hence nein sounds like nine because n-ae-ee-n  .  When you say it together through the natural morphing of sounds at speed, n-aei-n 


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Jamie J Barter
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01/05/2020 11:38 pm  
Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @xon

It shouldn't be long before you [ignant666] threaten violence again and justify it.

Oh, dear me.

No need for any alarm though - that's one prophecy/prediction that doesn't appear to have been borne out?

Posted by: @christibrany

Who knows what secrets lurk in the heart of the Earth, and in crystal bearing stones of large size? 

- A "VITROILic" remark?

Crossword-cluesishly yours,

Norma N Joy Conquest


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Shiva
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02/05/2020 12:12 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

A "VITROILic" remark?

Crossword-cluesishly yours,

Padmasambhava, the propagator of Tibetan Buddhism, and many of his associates, wrote out these teachings called "treasures." He caused them to be placed in containers that were, or looked like, big crystals. They were hinged, like a jewelry box. These were buried all over Tibet. They are called Terma.

A a later date, psychic "tertons" (treasure-finders) would (and will continue to) discover these terma. One terma contained the original Bardo Thodol, our so-called Tibetan book of the Dead.

Seek and you will find. Dig and you will get dirty ... but you will have obtained a treasure.

 


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christibrany
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02/05/2020 1:34 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

- A "VITROILic" remark?

Posted by: @shiva

psychic "tertons" (treasure-finders) would (and will continue to) discover these terma

Correct sirs. 

 

I am not kidding when I wish we could truly study the metaphysical power of the pyramids.

I don't think that their ubiquitous appearance in so many tomes is a coincidence nor a freak of culture or obsession.

 

There is truly a feeling one gets, in the mountains, among giant stones, among megaliths, among the Toltec, Olmec, and ( I don't think they built them) Aztec areas- and ( I presume never having had the pleasure) among the Egyptian pyramids. 

 

These people used a technology that combined spirit, matter, and science that we are only beginning to understand, if it won't be buried.

 

See David Hatcher Childress, Joseph P Farrell, and Nicola Tesla. 


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