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fraterihsan
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03/07/2020 6:12 am  

Oh my Nuit how I love thee! bending down thy lambent flame of blue,

Oh my Nuit how I love thee! your secret kisses and bosom thy caress, 

Thou art My Lover: I see Thee as a nymph with her white limbs stretched by the spring

She lies upon the moss; there is none other but she

Art Thou not Babalon?


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03/07/2020 7:59 am  
Posted by: @shiva

Chris, thank you for showing your drawing. It was very androgynous.

Smartly & adroitly done that man - considering that this was (meant to be) a rendition of the star goddess ("the beauteous one"), this can only be taken as a back-handed compliment!

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03/07/2020 9:12 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

Some sort of Firefox quirk i suspect

I'm using Chrome on Windows 10 and get the same thing, so I'm guessing its because of some update to the forum software.

 

Posted by: @christibrany

'what bout my picture then?!' 

Could you develop it a bit more maybe with paint?

 

Posted by: @shiva

I believe this thread, and this project, is an exercise in the refinement of linear art

Yes partly though any discussion on the Stele is appreciated. If the Stele is so important I want to identify all its elements and bring them here for the attention of anyone who may be interested in this sort of thing. Do "perfume cones" or small leopard heads have any significance to Thelemites or anyone else today or are they just archaic curiosities?

 


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03/07/2020 10:08 am  

The HGA of a Duck: "Do "perfume cones" or small leopard heads have any significance to Thelemites or anyone else today or are they just archaic curiosities?"

LOL! Perfume is mentioned repeatedly in AC's BOTL, both with respect to Nuit & RHK.

 


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03/07/2020 6:06 pm  

@wellreadwellbred

Yes, perfume and incense is mentioned in Liber AL but I'm specifically talking about the type of cone Ankh f.n. K. appears to be wearing on his head.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_cone

 

I originally assumed he was just wearing a funny hat but after doing a bit of research it seems likely it is one of these "perfume cones".  I'm just trying to understand if any of these quirky details in the Stele of Revealing could have any importance today. How many people have even heard of a "perfume cone" or even care what it is? Should we start making these cones and wearing them on our heads? 😊 


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03/07/2020 6:21 pm  
Posted by: @duck

Should we start making these cones and wearing them on our heads?

According to Liber Oz, each of us has the opportunity to walk around Walmart with burning incense on our heads.

 


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03/07/2020 6:58 pm  
Posted by: @duck

Should we start making these cones and wearing them on our heads?

I will do so only if it is in the stylish "cock and balls" shape, as sported by A-f-n-K. I will not wear it to Walmart, except maybe sometimes.


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03/07/2020 7:05 pm  
Posted by: @duck

I'm just trying to understand if any of these quirky details in the Stele of Revealing could have any importance today. How many people have even heard of a "perfume cone" or even care what it is? Should we start making these cones and wearing them on our heads? 😊 

It isn't known for certain that they were all indeed perfume or unguent cones, as some have been discovered made of non-aromatic materials.

But, let us continue with the idea that what Ankhefenkhonsu was wearing on his head was a perfume cone. Do you need to be reminded that tables XLII, CLII, CLIII, and CLIV of Liber 777 all deal with perfumes and their correspondences?

This man was a great magician-priest. He met with divinity wearing this thing on his head. Don't be offhand. It is important.


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04/07/2020 1:04 am  
Posted by: @duck

 

ankh enhance

 

Is that a 'hat' or something on the wall in the background?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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04/07/2020 1:35 am  

@dom

Good question, I hadn't really thought of that. Looking at it as something off in the distance reminds me of this:

Emerald City

 

From what I can tell, the Egyptians didn't really use perspective in the way we think of it in their painting so there isn't really a background or foreground as such, rather the figures and objects are all on the same "plane" (at least as far as I can tell, I might be wrong).

I found something quite similar on a more crudely painted stele:

stele of takasu

 


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04/07/2020 2:05 am  

Being able to build structures which still haven't caved in after so many centuries but can't come up with perspective in drawing, that's some disparity.    

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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04/07/2020 2:16 am  

Perspective in the modern sense is a Renaissance invention, so a lot of buildings that have lasted centuries were built by a lot of people before anyone could depict perspective very well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_(graphical)#History

 

 

 


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04/07/2020 2:44 am  
Posted by: @dom

Being able to build structures which still haven't caved in after so many centuries but can't come up with perspective in drawing, that's some disparity.   

In the true and accepted Legendary History of Khem, we find that the big-blocks were assembled by one set of beings, and the Egyptian Museum (and Necropoli) were crude copies made by the local human inhabitants. Your observation tends to validate this Legend, which some people think is true, while others say it's ridiculous. Most people haven't even heard the Legend.

 


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04/07/2020 8:13 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

Perspective in the modern sense is a Renaissance invention, so a lot of buildings that have lasted centuries were built by a lot of people before anyone could depict perspective very well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_(graphical)#History

 

 

 

Yep I knew that, I'm saying that it's amazing that it took so long to get to that point but these amazing buildings were constructed.

 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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04/07/2020 9:39 am  
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Posted by: @duck

 

ankh enhance

 

Is that a 'hat' or something on the wall in the background?

I have a copy where it's not a dark phallic mound but 2 transparent circles that almost look like an attempt to put two horns or even 'cheetah' ears on top of the head (via ignorance of Renaissance perspective) much like Marvel Comic's The Black Panther.   The mound seems additional.  That would make sense (maybe) as he is wearing some sort of cheetah or lynx or leopard-skinned garment. 

20200704 094307

 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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04/07/2020 1:00 pm  

@dom

There's a bit of variation in these replicas, some of them seem to be based on photos of the original in the Cairo museum and some on the replica Crowley had made.

From AC's own copy:

ankh replica

 

The best image quality version of the replica I have found so far:


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05/07/2020 1:47 am  

Here's a photo of the original (?) from the Red Wheel/Weiser 2006 edition of Liber ABA:  

Liber ABA (2006) photo

Here's a photo of a small replica that I have. It's funny how the copies changed the shape of the head and drew in outlines, etc.

stele repro 1

And my main stèle copy -- with some real artistic license, including a change of the shape of Ankh-af-na-Khonsu's head, cap, and, top it off, a pair of glasses!

stele repro 2

 


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26/07/2020 1:47 pm  

Another one of these little updates, those with more understanding of Egyptian symbolism may be aware of this already:

bulltail

 

I had no idea of the symbolism behind this curved shape over RHK's knees, I just assumed it was some item of clothing. After some researching it seems to be a "Bull's Tail", a symbol of royal power. I found a nice page all about this:

http://talesofancientegypt.blogspot.com/2010/09/tails-of-ancient-egypt-no-its-not.html

 

The bull's tail hangs from the kilt as can be seen in this pic of RHK standing:

 

When deities are shown enthroned, the convention seems to be to depict the tail draped over the knees in this curved shape:

 

I think you get the point. Anyway, Wikimedia Commons is an easy way to find a lot of Egyptian art.


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26/07/2020 8:46 pm  

It all started when mommy, or the midwife, or the nurse, or the tribal shaman wrapped your (our) genital area is a diaper. Primitive grown-ups adopted a "loin cloth."

6.2 ramana gif

When you/we got more urbanized and started wearing clothes, the loin cloth remained as a doo-dad on the surface.

153 1537768 fashion clothes clipart ancient egypt clothing men

Today, in the first world empire, we moved the doo-dad up and tied it around our neck.

8 boss man tying his tie cartoon clipart

All of these magical instruments serve either to Tie one's clothing "up," so it doesn't fall down ... or ... they are meant to convey the enormity of your (my, his) reproductive ability.

However, all these pseudo-phallic substitutes and enhancements are dwarfed by the casual simplicity of our rustic brethren ... who are much simpler in their tastes.

ibr 2148963

"Let the Adept choose a suitable substitute for his ding dong ..."
                             - Unknown and Untraceable Swami-Guru-Shaman rule

 


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27/07/2020 2:10 am  
Posted by: @duck

I had no idea of the symbolism behind this curved shape over RHK's knees, I just assumed it was some item of clothing. After some researching it seems to be a "Bull's Tail", a symbol of royal power.

In all of your findings from Egyptian representational art, duck, is it your experience that these Bull's Tails as symbols of potency are shown to "dress" to the left, or to the right for any reason ? (So far as I can tell it seems to be mainly to the left, but I wouldn't like to say for sure.)

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05/08/2020 2:28 am  

A look at the "Emblem of the West" depicted on the Stele:

amenti

Its mentioned in Equinox of the Gods in part 6 of "Genesis Libri AL":

"Behind the god is the hieroglyph of Amenti"

This hieroglyph signifies "the West" and related concepts such as "the Land of the West" (the afterlife) and its personification the goddess Imentet.

 

Hathor in the form of Imentet wearing the Emblem on her head.

 

It comes in 2 versions, one with the Horus falcon (Gardiner no. R13), and one without (no. R14).

emblem1

 

emblem2

 

The Emblem is a composite glyph composed of 3 or 4 glyphs:

falcon G5

The Horus-falcon (Gardiner no. G5)

 

feather H6B

Feather (Gardiner no. H6)

 

bread X1

Bread bun (Gardiner no. X1)

 

cloth S29

Folded cloth (Gardiner no. S29)

 

Why these glyphs together mean "West" is a bit of a mystery to me, if anyone has  some info on this I'd like to know. From what I can tell, the "bread-bun" glyph also signifies the sound "t" and is a "feminine determiner".

It seems that some of this symbolism is a mystery to Egyptologists too as an alternative theory for the "bread-bun" glyph is "the primeval mound of earth that rose from the Nun at the Creation".

 

An informative site on "polychrome" (multicoloured) hieroglyphs:

The Polychrome Hieroglyph Research Project

for example scroll down to R13 for info on the "Emblem of the West"

 

More info on the goddess Imentet:

"Amentet, Goddess of the Dead, Personification of the West"

 

Thanks a lot and quack quack.


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05/08/2020 4:02 am  

@duck

righthand

ideo. for ideogram, as opposed to phonogram, means that it's just a picture that symbolizes the West. None of the glyphs that make up the symbol appear in the "spelled-out" words for Right or West except the T at the end.

The wikipedia article gives you a clue. A major tribe that lived to the West was the Libu or Libyans, and they wore headdresses with feathers sticking out. This feather cap pictorially symbolizes the West in a way that anyone who ever saw a Libyan would have intuited. 

If you think to ask, "Why not just draw a feathered cap, then?" Remember that these were scribes who had to be taught in school, not artists, and it was easier to mock up the symbol using glyphs they already knew.

The falcon appears only because Imentet is but a manifestation of Hathor or Isis, I would imagine.


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05/08/2020 7:50 am  
Posted by: @djedi

This feather cap pictorially symbolizes the West in a way that anyone who ever saw a Libyan would have intuited. 

The feather also pictorially symbolises the ancient Egyptian principle of ma[y]at , or truth/ inner integrity, against which the soul of the departed was weighed in the balance (and if found lacking the necessary lightness to pass On, then thrown to the hippo-croc hybrid for dinner).  Therefore a glyph altogether well suited to be in accordance with the observation that

Posted by: @duck

Its mentioned in Equinox of the Gods in part 6 of "Genesis Libri AL":

"Behind the god is the hieroglyph of Amenti"

This hieroglyph signifies "the West" and related concepts such as "the Land of the West" (the afterlife)

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05/08/2020 4:00 pm  
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against which the soul of the departed was weighed in the balance

[Too-Late Edit:] I meant to have put 'heart' instead of soul there - they both represented the same thing in essence, however.

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05/08/2020 4:31 pm  

@duck

 

Lookin' very good she is. Thanks Duck.  Also thanks for the historical information.

 

@djedi

 

Likewise cheers. 


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05/08/2020 7:23 pm  
Posted by: @djedi

these were scribes who had to be taught in school

Right. And they needed an "alphabet" that pronounced words or depicted meanings that other people could read or grasp. Everyone subscribed to the QBL of the day.

 


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05/08/2020 9:40 pm  

@christibrany

Thanks, these Steles are quite a fascinating subject and some of them are quite beautiful. One of the more memorable ones from my stele-browsing is this one, the "Stele of Lady Taperet":

 

It shows Ra-Horakhty radiating his blessings on the Lady in the form of flowers, quite charming.


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05/08/2020 9:49 pm  

@duck

Those Egyptian ladies were not very modest in their see-through dresses.

I always think the Solar orb above the deities is very cool . 

One of those flowers is going to poke her in the eye. 


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