93!

Link below.
http://www.discogs.com/Aleister-Crowley-The-1910-1914-Wax-Cylinder-Recordings/release/600989

93's

Clearly not Crowley, I have no idea why ''Vive La France'' appears. It was probably added to one of the cylinders to avoid just wasting the space.

93 Michael,

So you are saying that all those recordings are not Crowley then?
Just too confirm, how did you arrive at this conclusion?

93's

Paul

Even if you are solely referring to "Viva la France", how can you substantiate this claim and why have the likes of David Tibet been hoodwinked?
I am sure they would not have included it if they were not 100% sure it was Crowley.

indeed...

I don't understand when Tibbles went from being generally annoyed by references to AC to being some kind of Crowley scholar... Especially considering he wrote exactly one piece about Crowley, for Flexipop magazine... The references to Crowley in his music are not exactly profound. Thats especially true during the period he claimed the most interest in AC. I actually like his band and literally grew up on them, Coil, NWW, DIJ, etc. Anyway... I digress and run the risk of derailing your thread.

As for the Hastings archive all Tibet did was press them on LP with the permission of Kenneth Grant. It isn't like he undertook some intensive research to locate and verify them. He simply got them form the archive and released them with the assistance of Steve Stapleton.

I too have heard that track is not AC. One explanation I recall is that it was recorded off a radio. The voice is most certainly different and does not share the same nuances of his voice. I am sure someone has more information on that and I hope that share. That track has always seemed incongruous to me. I would love for it to be the Beast singing that one but I fear it may not be.

Paul Sincerest apologies for the triple post but I wanted to add...

A friend just reminded me that in Perdurabo its mentioned

""Viva La France" was indeed composed by Crowley, but the voice is not his on the Cylinder...along with the gentleman who recorded Crowley a baritone singer was contacted and he agreed to sing on that record."

Thanks R!! I knew I read something about it but... hell I mist be getting old : P

Secondly the list posted above is incomplete. In the 70s David Hall and Mike Magee released two tracks on the A Side of the Chakra record "Scarlet Woman." You can find the scans of the sleeve on this site. If you need a scan of it PM me I will send you one of my copy. I have two copies of the vinyl and neither came with the original sleeve. That seems quite rare : ( The art was by Steffi Grant and the record was released by Sothis magazine.

Paul posted in an earlier thread that the earliest vinyl pressings were sold through Sorcerers Apprentice in the early 70s - I have never seen one of these and I have no idea how to identify them. I venture someone on list has one.

Thanks for letting me ramble over three posts. Im off to have morning coffee now.

Thanks to you Ein 😉 Always here to help in what I can!

The recordings have been discussed here a number of times. For example: http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1402&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=cylinders

Regarding the 'Chakra' recording, see also this news item, posted here 7 years ago: http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/Article104.phtml

I wonder who the two "witches" were at that session. Steffi was likely one of them. I wonder who the second was.. Hamsa was dead by then so they mystery may never be resolved 🙂

8)

Many thanks einDoppelganger, you have laid this to rest! 🙂

Thanks ptoner, its really Varzon who brought the answer to attention though.
I just updated when he reminded me. 🙂

Cheers!

Scott

thanks all!! who have the copyright of this tracks?! it's free?

I've dared to revive this thread to ask a question. What is the copyright situation with these audio recordings, is there a copyright holder or are they public domain?

🙂
Hamal