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Okay i know this is an odd of a topic but well to think about. What astrological changes do you think would occur on human beings either being on or born on Mars when the oppurtunity arises that we go there? Since it does not have our moon, it has a longer year, and different points of the constellations. Something to ponder... I love to explore new ideas... gemini no wonder 😆


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I guess that depends whether whether you think astrology is about the planets themselves affecting us causally or whether the symbolic references associated with the planets act synchronistically in our lives? Looking at my 'Parker's Astrology' it seems they (and presumably they are not alone), take the view that with the precession of the equinox it is the region of the sky which is relevant rather than the stars (and by extention planets) occupying it. This would seem to indicate, at least to me, that astrology measures cycles of time with reference to its influences on human lives rather than direct causal effects from heavenly orbs.

Personally I take the view that all divinatory tools, including astrology, work a-causally.


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"James" wrote:
Personally I take the view that all divinatory tools, including astrology, work a-causally.

Could you explain how divination could work 'a-casually'?


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"Aum418" wrote:
"James" wrote:
Personally I take the view that all divinatory tools, including astrology, work a-causally.

Could you explain how divination could work 'a-casually'?

Sure, acasual divination is the same as the quantum divination of consciousness (and as there isn't any solid definitions of consciousness...) I would refer to as the genuine meta-physics that operate in realities deeper then the Newtonian order of the universe (based on observable events) which by itself is usually more akin to how karma is defined in peoples day to day lives/past lives. RAW has a good (but too short) book called Quantum Psychology that explores these matters. This would also be akin to Dr. Learys VIIIth Level Circuit of consciousness. Granted, I don't think this level of divination is easy to work without special training for it or a good dose of quantum grace 🙂

The starting ground though is using the meta elements of astrology, tarot, and kaballah in a seamlessly harmonized system in the operators being. Michael Tsarion is a contemporary magus that teaches along these lines (and quite effectively from what little I know about his work). Unfortunately kabbalah and tarot don't hold any interest for me for my development so I don't pursue this line of spirituality but I would be glad to hear other peoples results with it.

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Hello to all,

Do what thou will shall be the whole of the Law.

(first post here). Tool93 - has an interesting point. It occurs to me that astrology is not only a life time study but that its concepts are equally applicable to other planets and stellar systems. Astrologers on planet Earth study the effects of our Solar system from a geo-centric viewpoint, or a helio-centric viewpoint if we put the Sun as the centre of the chart (as used in esoteric astrology). If we were inhabitants of Mars then we would use a Mars-centric chart, if Venus, then a Venusian-centric chart and so on. If we were inhabitants of the constellation Aquila then we would use the star Alpha Aquila as the centre and take into account other planetary bodies there, the same as we do from Earth. Therefore, not only is astrology a lifetime study, but is also applicable to other stellar systems and universes (even). 💡

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"runelogix" wrote:
"Aum418" wrote:
"James" wrote:
Personally I take the view that all divinatory tools, including astrology, work a-causally.

Could you explain how divination could work 'a-casually'?

Sure, acasual divination is the same as the quantum divination of consciousness (and as there isn't any solid definitions of consciousness...)

Hey guys, I don't really see how acausal divination would work, but acasual divination is almost too much; I'd say it's more like smart casual. 😉


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*looking to dictionary* (like a second bible) 🙄
'a'- a prefix that negates. 'Causal' - an event.
a-causal therefore is something that does not happen.
*Book of the Law* The bible for the new aeon ...
'I adore the might of Thy breath,
Supreme and terrible God,'
Ruach being the letter of magick, the number being 11, being air ... everything falls in place.


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"anpi" wrote:
I don't really see how acausal divination would work, but acasual divination is almost too much; I'd say it's more like smart casual.

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"Aum418" wrote:
"James" wrote:
Personally I take the view that all divinatory tools, including astrology, work a-causally.

Could you explain how divination could work 'a-casually'?

In fact I couldn't...however I have noticed that performing divinations, using various tools, does seem to thow up both predictions that 'come to pass' and very interesting analysis' of situations. The latter is most probably unconscious aspects of the mind giving a view different from the consious one, however predictions fall into a different category as they cannot be explained this way. This is why I use the term 'acausal' as I do not anticipate a causal link between the fall of the cards and the predicted event, or the placing of the planets and the event. Chinese thought acknowledges this principle of a-causality in terms of 'wu-wei', Tao and the mutual arising of phenomena rather than always citing causal links between phenomena. In Japan they use the term 'in-nen' or affinity linkage to mean something similar. That is things may have an 'affinity' between them so that they either attract or repel each other. Thus it is felt, in this view, that a person when he finds the right thing everything drops into place and conversely when he does the wrong thing heaven and earth get in the way.

CG Jung's introduction to Wilhelm's 'I Ching' gives a fuller account of this principle.

anpi - You know I never considered my dress sense when using divination. As it works on an acausal principle this could be highly relevant!!


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"damnedifiknow" wrote:
Hello to all,

Do what thou will shall be the whole of the Law.

(first post here). Tool93 - has an interesting point. It occurs to me that astrology is not only a life time study but that its concepts are equally applicable to other planets and stellar systems. Astrologers on planet Earth study the effects of our Solar system from a geo-centric viewpoint, or a helio-centric viewpoint if we put the Sun as the centre of the chart (as used in esoteric astrology). If we were inhabitants of Mars then we would use a Mars-centric chart, if Venus, then a Venusian-centric chart and so on. If we were inhabitants of the constellation Aquila then we would use the star Alpha Aquila as the centre and take into account other planetary bodies there, the same as we do from Earth. Therefore, not only is astrology a lifetime study, but is also applicable to other stellar systems and universes (even). 💡

It seems that a new order of magus would possible be appointed (possibly by the secret holy order) to explore the elements/planet/stars etc. Many occultic basics would probably ahve to be altered like the tree of life. and some rituals as well. [It seems funny hoever that many rituals from the new Aeon is seen from astral view rather than geo-view (case being the Liber V vel Reguli and it is the reason there is an aversed pentagram, to get the magician used to the act he is in the astral not on earth at the time itself) it seems going to other places was planned] It seems due to many changes being made it would seem like we would be starting from scratch.. this should be fun

Love is the Law, love under will.

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It seems that a new order of magus would possible be appointed (possibly by the secret holy order) to explore the elements/planet/stars etc. Many occultic basics would probably ahve to be altered like the tree of life. and some rituals as well. [It seems funny hoever that many rituals from the new Aeon is seen from astral view rather than geo-view (case being the Liber V vel Reguli and it is the reason there is an aversed pentagram, to get the magician used to the act he is in the astral not on earth at the time itself) it seems going to other places was planned] It seems due to many changes being made it would seem like we would be starting from scratch.. this should be fun.


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Brothers and Sisters,

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Venus, too hot for physical life, Mars being too cold for the same, it follows that astrology from these planets would at the least be astral. Having said that, it is interesting to note that U.S. presidents have been visited by Venusian ambassadors (Gerald Ford for one) who have asked humanity to renounce nuclear warfare as it is a breach of universal Law.

Love is the Law, love under will.

damnedifiknow.


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Just Imagine doing the LBRP You would have to imagine your feet on mars not on earth. Not to mention the Tree of Life! Would the initiate start from geburah rather than malkuth haha. Oh the changes... Imagine the We'll need the help of the Chaos Magickians perhaps they can oxymoronically calm all the arguable messy things down... man I am having too much fun with this!


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"Tool93" wrote:
Just Imagine doing the LBRP You would have to imagine your feet on mars not on earth. Not to mention the Tree of Life! Would the initiate start from geburah rather than malkuth haha. Oh the changes... Imagine the We'll need the help of the Chaos Magickians perhaps they can oxymoronically calm all the arguable messy things down... man I am having too much fun with this!

And imagine the confusion when you can't decide whether it's proper to draw a Pentagram if there's no Water element. Or is there?


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The Prime Archetype, the most rudimentary, of the Tree of Life (and perhaps of reality in general), is Number: and numbers are universal, not the specific forms we've given them, but the fact the represent the basic seperations of reality.

In this sense the Tree of Life is a universal cosmologic schema; as well it is roughy symbolic of manifestation from 0 to infinity, and the increasing denstiy of matter or consciousness.

I don't think any changes in the Tree would occur if we colonized Mars, already having the great Tree correlations, but if humanity were to have originated on Mars there might have been a switch with the attributions of 5 & 10, who knows.

Having said this, I think a more interesting scenario is what if there is a civilization out there with quite a different solar system, like 2 suns, 4 moons, only 3 planets, etc.? It would seem that a Tree of Life in this case would have to be more number/symbol based.

It kinda makes one appreciate our tidy little solar system with our neat Tree of Life; the aliens might envy us. 😉


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93,

Something interesting along these lines... A buddy of mine recent purchased a movie entitled "What the Freak??" It's actually a sort of Quantum Physics documentary, and is indeed truly interesting and valuable. One thing it mentions is how when the mind generally thinks of something, it can put that something anywhere. Their illustration was a young boy bouncing a ball on a basketball court. They said that in our minds we envision the boy bouncing the ball, and he could literally be in any one spot on the court, which means he is in every spot on the court, and our minds just pick one. When we actually look at the boy, our minds are forced to pick one, as we see just one boy standing there dribbling the ball. Yet in the realm of possibilities, he is in every place on the court dribbling as many balls. Maybe I haven't explained it correctly, but that's what I got out of he illustration.

At any rate, if we apply this idea to the formation of our Solar System and what we know of the Galaxy in general, much moreso to the Tree of Life, and well... you get the point. Perhaps our Solar System is everywhere as well, just when the observer kicks in (our senses), things are placed in an "ordered" pattern so we can understand them better and be able to interact more appropriately with the nature of each entity.

It's a thought...

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Azidonis, you seem to be speaking of the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know?" movie there's a thread around here somewhere that deals with that movie.


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93,

Yep! Thanks for the title correction, N.O.X. The actual version I'm referring to is "What the Bleep!? - Down the Rabbit Hole". A link to the movie can be found here http://www.amazon.com/What-Bleep-QUANTUM-Three-Disc-Special/dp/B000FKO3JO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0755721-4848817?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1188451728&sr=1-1

Hope the link works. Any ideas which thread it is that discusses this movie?

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Actually, I think its a thread that I started some time ago. Look in "recommendations"


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Thelemic Brothers and Sisters,

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93

If the boy is on the approx the same wavelenght as ourselves, our position would be the same relative to him in time and space regardless of our shared frequency, else we would hardly perceived him at all, as a Star he would bear no relevance to our Star system so to speak.

But it is all a matter of perspective, which is in itself only a perspective I suppose.

I vote for an intelligent, sentient ordered universe, where oracles work synchronically, and our solar system is basically a giant clockwork, whereby one can measure the current state of our reality tunnel or something similar clever sounding which I can subscribe to without ditching my tarot deck as a fraud.

It works, thats the important, decisive factor. It might be my mind playing tricks, but there is no way to determine this for certain, and it sure as obscenity dont seem like it. Subscribe to what works, though it might be uncomfortable.

Gods an astronaut, and everything is true. Oh dear. Im back where I started of.

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