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AOS and Asperger's...coincidence?


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I don't have it to an extreme, but I sometimes think I have Asperger-like tendencies, as possibly did Spare himself, and, I suspect, a good few contributors to this forum. I was most intrigued by the symbology of the banner to be found at this address!

www.aspergerinformation.net/

Regards to all,

CHRIS


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 Anonymous
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Hi Chris.
I think its going a bit far to diagnose Spare as having any particular disease without having his medical records.
All we know from his long term friends, such as Frank Letchford is that he had some kind of chronic stomach problem. Eating a fruit cake could cause agony.
Personally I would say he had IBS. I had it for years or rather I still have it in a milder form.
During the worst attack I had I had to be put on Morphine for several months.
If Spare also had to use some kind of narcotic to control his problem it would have created the usual side effect of feeling like you are inside a bubble, cut off from humanity. That state of mind can become a habit.

A word to the wise: coming off Morphine even when it has been prescribed by a doctor is hellish and not at all glamourous as some Hollywood types would have you believe.

Best Wishes Robert.


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Hi, Robert....

I admit to a bit of cheerful and provocative speculation here...
but the real point of my posting was to draw attention to the Asperger Information banner, which can be seen if you click on the link.
'As-If', an eye and a hand! Is it just a coincidence, convergent evolution...
or something deliberate? I suppose the easy thing would be just to ask the people who run the site, but it's fun to speculate!
Thanks for the ideas about the IBS... this condition is susceptible to Hypnotherapy, and as a Hypnotherapist myself, I just wish I'd been around to give Zos some help with it!

Best wishes,

CHRIS


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kidneyhawk
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LMAO!

IN English Qabalah the words "As If" = 210.

The same number = EYE (210)!

Kyle


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 Anonymous
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Hi Chris.
Yes I did check out the link but I think its just an interesting coincidence.
As for Spare no one has ever described him as a party animal. He seems to have been a loner for most of his life having a small group of close friends. If you add his health problems to his tendency to lock himself away from the world, both from his own nature and also the needs of the creative process its not surprising that he seems rather withdrawn.
I think a lot of people who like Spare are drawn to him by his stoical lifestyle in the face of so much adversity. Perhaps we wish we could be like him and not let life or "the bastards" get you down.
Best Wishes Robert.
PS. Hows the painting going? Your style changed quite dramatically at one point around three years ago. Have you ever thought of trying film/tv/photography as art forms?


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"rabrazier" wrote:
Hi Chris.
Yes I did check out the link but I think its just an interesting coincidence.
As for Spare no one has ever described him as a party animal. He seems to have been a loner for most of his life having a small group of close friends. If you add his health problems to his tendency to lock himself away from the world, both from his own nature and also the needs of the creative process its not surprising that he seems rather withdrawn.
I think a lot of people who like Spare are drawn to him by his stoical lifestyle in the face of so much adversity. Perhaps we wish we could be like him and not let life or "the bastards" get you down.
Best Wishes Robert.
PS. Hows the painting going? Your style changed quite dramatically at one point around three years ago. Have you ever thought of trying film/tv/photography as art forms?

Hmm.............reading Zos Speaks gives me the impression that Spare spent most of his time in the pub. Hardly the usual habit of the loner....


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True Spare spent a lot of his time in the pub but it was always with the same small group of friends.
Another thing about Spare is that at the beginning of his success as an artist he had a lot of "crushes" on women who were not interested in him. This is such a patern in the things he told his friends that I wonder if he deliberately-on some level-wanted to be rejected. He disliked being touched by his mother and his female friends at the end of his life describe him as cold. Not a touchy-feely sort of man.
You can do the psychology your self.
Best Wishes Robert.


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I know it's fatal to psychologise 'in absentia' but!

AOS's particular attraction to the older woman would suggest a mother complex. Jung points out in this analysis of this archetype (Archetypes of the Collective Unconscious), that one of the traits of this archetype is the demand of loyalty to her from the son. It would be expected that AOS, if 'wedded' to this archetype would have difficulty creating real intimacy with other women as this archetype would seek to thwart any such move.

I have personally known several men (including one family member), who were devoted to their real mothers and kept single during 'mother's' lifetime only to marry within a year of her death.

Regards,

Jamie


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Hi James! Great film on your site.
All of the women Spare had crushes on were his own age or younger. They were all unobtainable.
Perhaps Spare had a touch of the masochist in him or he deliberately chose unsuitable women for some other reason.
Best Wishes Robert.
PS. Congratulations on the film again.


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Hi, all,

I certainly second the congratulations due to James on hs film. I liked the choice of music particularly. In reply to Robert's query about my art:
I moved house and took up Hypnotherapy in my spare time about three year's ago, and my painting has taken a 'back seat' in consequence, though I'm itching to get back to it. A lot of my creative energy has gone
into gardening since the house move (have created a Japanese-style garden at the front and a tropical garden at the back). However, the main landscaping work is now done. I attended Mislen Linden's 'Nu-icon' workshop in Bath last year, and would like to take up that mode of sculpture again... have also experimented with resin-casting., with a view to rendering some of Spare's designs (candlesticks, etc) into three dimensions, as well as coming up with some designs of my own.
I have become interested in the 'Tiki' subculture of polynesian pop
and attended the 'London Luau' in June (see the 'Tiki Central' website... you may find me in some of the photographs of the event!)
There was a very successful art-show of Tiki-themed art, which sold briskly for good prices, so I intend to have some ready for next year's
event. Would love to be involved in a film project, but it would be a big departure for me, having had no training in it: how would you start?
Things have been tough at my day-time job in the last couple of years,
and a lot of my energy and time have had to go into keeping on top of that, and seeking another job... as ever, I have lots of bright ideas, but work is the toad that still sits on my life....

CHRIS


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Thanks for the positive feedback on the film and glad you enjoyed it. I certainly enjoyed making it too!

I know it's going off topic a bit, but is anyone considering a biography of AOS? I know that there have been biographical pieces in various books, particularly from Kenneth Grant and Fulgur, but I mean a full-blown biography?

There are a lot of anecdotes and information that came to light from various quarters when researching information for the film. There are persons out there that know a lot about him and it would be a great pity if that information was lost. We all grow old and die sometime then it's gone forever! I do believe that AOS has something to contribute to humanity for some time to come and it would be great if some kind of 'official' record could be made.

Of course I am saying this because I know various persons from Fulgur read posts on this website and I would like to suggest this as a topic for the future.

PS. It would be a good way of marking the half-century since his death too! Imagine the Xmas sales!


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"Chrischibnall" wrote:
I have become interested in the 'Tiki' subculture of polynesian pop
and attended the 'London Luau' in June (see the 'Tiki Central' website... you may find me in some of the photographs of the event!)
There was a very successful art-show of Tiki-themed art, which sold briskly for good prices, so I intend to have some ready for next year's
event.
CHRIS

Been rubbing shoulders with Boyd Rice then? He has a Tiki Lounge, looks veeeeeeeeeery tacky indeed. Don't think it's spread to other Church Of Satan devotees yet.


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"James" wrote:
I know it's going off topic a bit, but is anyone considering a biography of AOS? I know that there have been biographical pieces in various books, particularly from Kenneth Grant and Fulgur, but I mean a full-blown biography?

I started out with one twenty years ago, but somehow got side-tracked on the way! Of course, since then quite a few of the people I interviewed have passed away, but Gavin and I might well still do it, we have just a few periods that need a bit more original research. Still, recently Phil Baker has been working away at something too. Until these projects come to fruition the personal accounts in Borough Satyr and Zos Speaks! are as close as we can get...

bazelek


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AOS & harm?
some apparently believe in harm since it's one of the natural human impulses, and inevitable it is. however to be subject to an impulse instead of it's director - is it not servile? and thus so is to harm? (apropos of AOS, i heard of someone once who could only effect his discharge on receiving a tumult of criticism &c.)
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Hi Chris.
Shame don't have time for your art now. It was getting good and you sold your work too cheaply. For example I would have paid three times what you asked for thee self portrait.
Hope you are having fun with your garden is it going to be like a Zen garden?

Hi Bazelek.
Yes Zos Speaks is a very good book, but it needs to be read alongside Frank Letchfords "Michelangelo" book since the two together give a better impression of what Spare was like as a human being. The only problem with Franks book is that it has lots of annoying little errors which have to be corrected and for some reason they did not put an index in the book.
A book like Franks but minus the errors and plus an index would be very good. Another problem with all the books on AOS is that before 1920 everyone of Spare's friends seems to have no real idea of what Spare was like. Which leaves us with only guess ideas on which we have to make our own best guess.

No one has ever said Spare went in for physical self harm only psychological self harm as a form of defence against a world in which he did not feel at home.
Best Wishes Robert.


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 Anonymous
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'Hi Chris.
Shame don't have time for your art now. It was getting good and you sold your work too cheaply. For example I would have paid three times what you asked for thee self portrait. '

Hi, Robert,

Many thanks for your appreciation.
Actually, you're in luck!
That self-portrait is still available if you wish to make me an offer.

Best regards,

CHRIS


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Hi Chris
I hope that you are well and even if you suffers a bit from asperger syndrome you are active on your creative work 🙂
cheers
roberto (algoul)


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Nice to hear from you after so long.
It's true I've been busy with other things, but as I say, I'm itching to get back to creative work soon.. it will come.
Are you coming to visit us here in England again sometime soon?

Best wishes,

CHRIS


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