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24/11/2018 11:48 pm  

I don't think Spare ever spoke about karma in relation to his magic sigil spells. Is he considered to be a black magician therefore?

Is his "atavistic" consciousness really Leary's circuit 6 elevation?


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25/11/2018 3:06 pm  

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I don’t think Spare ever spoke about karma in relation to his magic sigil spells. Is he considered to be a black magician therefore?

Considered by whom? Why do you consider that him not speaking about "karma" in connection with his sigillisation means that he is thereby a "black magician"? I just don't understand your thinking in that respect.

In his early days Spare used the term "karma" to denote archetypes or primal designs. There is a bookwork from 1905 which illustrates this, and which was published a few years ago in the book Two Grimoires (Starfire Publishing Ltd., London, 2011).

Is his “atavistic” consciousness really Leary’s circuit 6 elevation?

No. The core of Spare's work is the Zos-Kia Cultus. The Kia is everything, the entire gamut of existence; atavisms surface from the Kia. So far as I understand it, the circuits are conceived as operating within the human nervous system. The range of the Kia, being everything, is far wider.


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25/11/2018 3:40 pm  

KIA 20+10+1 = 31.


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25/11/2018 9:49 pm  

I just don’t understand your thinking in that respect.

Well he seemed to give himself free reign to do what he wants without recourse to his HGA. That is AC's definition of black magic isn't it?

In his early days Spare used the term “karma” to denote archetypes or primal designs.

So he didn't know about the Hindustani concept of karma? What you're saying has nothing to do with karmic penalties.

No. The core of Spare’s work is the Zos-Kia Cultus. The Kia is everything, the entire gamut of existence; atavisms surface from the Kia. So far as I understand it, the circuits are conceived as operating within the human nervous system. The range of the Kia, being everything, is far wider.

Ok.


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26/11/2018 12:54 am  

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Well he seemed to give himself free reign to do what he wants without recourse to his HGA. That is AC’s definition of black magic isn’t it?

Zos-Kia Cultus has no concept of a Holy Guardian Angel. Spare wouldn't have had "recourse to his HGA"; I can't recall coming across anything remotely like it in Spare's work. Therefore Crowley's "definition of black magic" is just completely irrelevent here. Just because Crowley says that it is so, doesn't mean that it is indeed so

You might as well say that Ramana Maharshi was a black magician because he acted "without recourse to his HGA". Since many spiritual systems across the world seem to get along quite happily without a concept of the HGA, and thus without recourse to it, there's clearly a hell of a lot of black magicians about.

So he didn’t know about the Hindustani concept of karma? What you’re saying has nothing to do with karmic penalties.

I know it doesn't; I merely mentioned that use of the term 'karma' as a metter of interest. I'm sure that he would have come across the use of the term 'karma' in the sense of 'karmic penalties'; I can't, though, recall offhand where he used the term in the sense you mean.


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26/11/2018 7:27 am  

I know it doesn’t; I merely mentioned that use of the term ‘karma’ as a metter of interest. I’m sure that he would have come across the use of the term ‘karma’ in the sense of ‘karmic penalties’; I can’t, though, recall offhand where he used the term in the sense you mean.

Yes that's what I was asking. Thanks.

By the way do you think Peter Carroll's Psychonaut book is the best intro to Spare's magical ideas?


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26/11/2018 10:43 am  

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By the way do you think Peter Carroll’s Psychonaut book is the best intro to Spare’s magical ideas?

No, I don't. I think that Images & Oracles of Austin Osman Spare by Kenneth Grant is the best introduction. Grant came across Spare's work in the early 1940s, met him in 1949, was his friend and collaborator until Spare's death in 1956, discussed Spare's work with him, typed up Spare's manuscripts of his later work - work that was subsequently published in Zos Speaks!, and was left those manuscripts by Spare in his Will.

In addition there are two excellent chapters in The Magical Revival, based on material from Grant's unpublished study of Spare, 'The Zoëtic Grimoire of Zos', which he completed whilst Spare was still alive, and which Spare is on record as liking.


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26/11/2018 3:27 pm  

D: You might as well say that Ramana Maharshi was a black magician because he acted “without recourse to his HGA”.

It's a funny thing, but a lot of those Oriental systems (including Buddhism, and probably Maharshism, don't have the concept of an HGA or of a Higher Personal Self (HPS). According to Ramana, one simply sees Atma and then latches on to Atma and never let's go.

(Atma is the Universal Self, attributed to the Supernal Triad).

This is similar to the first stage of the Primary Clear Light (PCL) as depicted in The Tibetan Book of the Dead. Those who die (or take a pharmaceutical), and fail to grasp the PCL immediately upin its appearance must then settle for second best and engage the Secondary Clear Light (SCL) in a dialog ... this is the equivalent of the HGA. Those who miss the cosmic phone call then go to various forms of hallucination.

Anyway, some Eastern folks skip the mental plane and go directly to "GO," collecting 200 credits. After that, they can't tell anyone how to get there, and they recommend Bhakti Yoga (devotion).

The point is, some systems have no HGA involvement.


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26/11/2018 11:19 pm  

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No, I don’t. I think that Images & Oracles of Austin Osman Spare by Kenneth Grant is the best introduction

I'm not talking about Spare's intricate philosophy. I mean his practical magickal ideas specifically the alphabet of desire, the dualisms and the sigil making and launching. Surely you agree that PJ Carrol has done more to spread Spare's ideas than anyone. Ok maybe he dumbed down/simplified and condensed Spare's magickal philosophy but his Psychonaut seems to be a great introduction for the novice. He uses Spare's idea of kia and basically appears to be Spare's self-appointed modern emissary.

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very interesting the clear light of Tibetan Buddhism and their book of the dead and it's 'ring pass nots' for the unprepared dead. Obviously the Egyptian book of the dead is analogous but how similar are they notwithstanding the different pantheons represented?

Overall though (and with Jamie Barter's recent 'AC as black magician' thread in mind) I state again that Spare seems to be encouraging the dismantling of karmic moral responsibility within practical magic. PJ Carrol certainly followed that up with his "belief as a tool" nihilism.


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26/11/2018 11:41 pm  

@dom

I’m not talking about Spare’s philosophy. I mean his practical magickal ideas specifically the alphabet of desire, teh dualisms and the sigil making and launching. Surely you agree that PJ Carrol nailed that, maybe dumbed down and condensed Spare’s magickal philosophy into a great introduction for the novice in his his Psychonaut book?

In my view sigillation, the Sacred Alphabet, Spare's "practical magickal ideas", etc., cannot be viewed in isolation from the rest of his work. I've read some of Pete Carrol's work in the past, and it's not something that enthuses me. Hence my considered opinion that Grant's book is the best introduction. I don't agree that Carrol "nailed that", but if you think so then fine.

Overall though . . . I state again that Spare seems to be encouraging the dismantling of karmic moral responsibility within practical magic.

How so? Perhaps you could give some examples of Spare "encouraging the dismantling of karmic moral responsibility within practical magic"?


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27/11/2018 6:27 pm  

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How so? Perhaps you could give some examples of Spare “encouraging the dismantling of karmic moral responsibility within practical magic”?

By Sigils I have endowed fools with wisdom, made the wise fools, giving health to the sick and weak, disease to the strong, etc. Now, if for some purpose, you wanted the strength of a tiger- you would make a sentence such as:- “This my wish to obtain the strength of a tiger.

~ The Book of Pleasure (self-love)


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27/11/2018 8:11 pm  

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By Sigils I have endowed fools with wisdom, made the wise fools, giving health to the sick and weak, disease to the strong, etc. Now, if for some purpose, you wanted the strength of a tiger- you would make a sentence such as:- “This my wish to obtain the strength of a tiger.

OK, before continuing with this could you please clarify what you mean by "direct karmic responsibity" I think I know what you mean, but it's as well to be sure that we're on the same page, as they say.


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27/11/2018 9:40 pm  

OK, before continuing with this could you please clarify what you mean by “direct karmic responsibity” I think I know what you mean, but it’s as well to be sure that we’re on the same page, as they say.

Well AC espoused checking in with the HGA before we e.g. hurt another via magick. You were part of Jamie Barter's recent thread where AC's apparent selfish cursing was exposed as reneging upon his own advice. AOS in the recent quote I produced seems to espouse hurting people via sigils doesn't it? I'll repeat but he does not mention warnings about karma for such activity. What does that tell you/

For the record I think that AOS will someday be viewed as one of Britain's greatest artists ever.


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27/11/2018 10:27 pm  

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Well AC espoused checking in with the HGA before we e.g. hurt another via magick.

How might one go about "checking in with the HGA"? What's your suggestion here to get approval or otherwise from the HGA?.

Assuming that Crowley had a method of "checking in with the HGA", how do you know whether or not he had a little chat with the old fella before his "apparent selfish cursing"? Your use of the term "exposed" implies it was proved that Crowley dispensed with his little chat with the old fella, or even worse - ignored his judgement. So how was that ascertained? Did someone beat a confession out of Crowley. Or did a trembling, remorseful Crowley leave a confession?

I might perform an act of apparent black magic. Let's say that I fancy someone's girlfriend, and thus by an act of magic I wipe him out, thu s leaving the field clear for me to exercise my irresistable charms. Thus far, then, the weight of my "direct karmic responsibility" is threatening to crush me. But wait! It later turns out that the man was a serial killer. So now, my "direct karmic responsibility" has not only been expunged, but I'm massively in credit. It's a funny old world.

An extreme example, I know, but it does illustrate a point, which is that actions breed reactions and subsequent actions in ways we can't imagine. An apparently "evil" act can have "good" consequences.


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27/11/2018 11:47 pm  

@dom

For the record I think that AOS will someday be viewed as one of Britain’s greatest artists ever.

Incidentally, I'm very pleased to read that, dom. So do I. I love his diversity of styles. My very favourites are the pastels from 1954 and 1955. Wonderfully imaginative, and the skill to express it so well.


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27/11/2018 11:56 pm  

MS: What’s your suggestion here to get approval or otherwise from the HGA?

http://HGA.gov or maybe http://www.HGA.edu ?

It has been my experience that the HGA will talk to the vehicle, and it will give direction. But I've never known the HGA (aka Solar Angel) to be immediately available for quick, check-in consultations. That's probably why AC was still consulting the Yi King in his later years.


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28/11/2018 12:22 am  

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It has been my experience that the HGA will talk to the vehicle, and it will give direction. But I’ve never known the HGA (aka Solar Angel) to be immediately available for quick, check-in consultations.

Indeedy. Crowley remarks in Liber Samekh that it's the Angel that approaches the Aspirant, not the other way around.

Doesn't really help, though, when you have someone in your sights and you're looking to your superior officer to say whether or not you should take the shot.

Nor do you see many in the Armed Response Unit consulting the Yi before opening fire.


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28/11/2018 10:14 pm  

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Incidentally, I’m very pleased to read that, dom. So do I. I love his diversity of styles. My very favourites are the pastels from 1954 and 1955. Wonderfully imaginative, and the skill to express it so well.

This is a short interesting documentary on AOS and his work presented by Alan Moore with a lot of amazing paintings and so on;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlzEdlpigvk&t=117s

How might one go about “checking in with the HGA”? What’s your suggestion here to get approval or otherwise from the HGA?.

Thelema. Development in yoga and magick. The (warrior) path of inner intimacy with teh HGA.

Assuming that Crowley had a method of “checking in with the HGA”, how do you know whether or not he had a little chat with the old fella before his “apparent selfish cursing”?

We made a good analysis.

Your use of the term “exposed” implies it was proved that Crowley dispensed with his little chat with the old fella, or even worse – ignored his judgement. So how was that ascertained? Did someone beat a confession out of Crowley. Or did a trembling, remorseful Crowley leave a confession?

'Exposed' as in we looked at the definition of a circe and so on.

I might perform an act of apparent black magic. Let’s say that I fancy someone’s girlfriend, and thus by an act of magic I wipe him out, thu s leaving the field clear for me to exercise my irresistable charms. Thus far, then, the weight of my “direct karmic responsibility” is threatening to crush me. But wait! It later turns out that the man was a serial killer. So now, my “direct karmic responsibility” has not only been expunged, but I’m massively in credit. It’s a funny old world.

But you assume there that you never knew he was a serial killer, just some guy in your way, in the way of stupid lust.

An extreme example, I know, but it does illustrate a point, which is that actions breed reactions and subsequent actions in ways we can’t imagine. An apparently “evil” act can have “good” consequences.

Not really it's about your intent and whether you were in full control of your lower elements i.e the guf, nefesh and ruach.


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29/11/2018 12:04 am  

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Thelema. Development in yoga and magick. The (warrior) path of inner intimacy with teh HGA.

So you've done this, have you, and as a result you can have a chat with your HGA whenever you need a decision from him, her, or it? When you want to know whether or not to take the shot, for instance?

We made a good analysis.

I remember the thread. You didn't make a good analysis; you just made some assertions. You can't possibly know whether or not Crowley ran his intended act past his HGA, since he doesn't tell us anywhere whether he did or didn't..

Not really it’s about your intent and whether you were in full control of your lower elements i.e the guf, nefesh and ruach.

Ah, it's my intent that determines my "direct karmic responsibility", not what actually happens. So if I have good intentions, but my bumbling idiocy leads to the death of thousands, that's OK in terms of "direct karmic responsibility". No, I don't think so. The death of those thousands would be my "direct karmic responsibility" because it arose from my actions.


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29/11/2018 3:08 am  

"... would be my “direct karmic responsibility” because it arose from my actions."

Be careful now. You're giving away the secrets of cause and effect on a public forum.


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29/11/2018 11:30 pm  

So Michael you totally disagree with AC's warnings about black magic and your philosophy is ignore that because anything goes so satisfy all of your whims?


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29/11/2018 11:49 pm  

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So Michael you totally disagree with AC’s warnings about black magic and your philosophy is ignore that because anything goes so satisfy all of your whims?

I totally disagree with your absurd caricature of it, that's for sure. I'd like to think that you were being satirical over the course of this thread.


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30/11/2018 12:05 am  

I totally disagree with your absurd caricature of it, that’s for sure. I’d like to think that you were being satirical over the course of this thread.

No that's what I genuinely read from your posts.


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30/11/2018 3:50 pm  

Alas! ... and the seventy-seven Bodhisattvas.


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01/12/2018 12:41 am  

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I still haven't received an answer. If what I say is "a caricature" then show me an excerpt of AOS's writings where he talks about some sort of karmic responsibility regarding sigil launching.


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01/12/2018 2:15 am  

The logic course has not helped a bit, we see, as david makes death defying leaps over the chasms of syllogistic reasoning.

Michael is being polite when he refers to your recent willful misrepresentation, or utter inability to read plain English, as a "caricature" of his views expressed here.

I used to accuse The Great And Powerful Los, 8=3, of being a computer-science Turing bot for his repetitive non sequitur style of "conversation".

In the same vein, i sometimes wonder if the david/dom posts are not written by a committee of bored, and/or drunk, students.


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01/12/2018 12:22 pm  

Creating a Sigil that has no effect .
Conjuring awareness of being without result .
hmm .


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01/12/2018 1:14 pm  

@ignant666

Michael is being polite when he refers to your recent willful misrepresentation, or utter inability to read plain English, as a “caricature” of his views expressed here

Please enlighten me on what I've missed. You Ignant said that AC did some shameful things presumably including the magic rite that Jamiebarter highlighted in the recent black magician thread. Instead of passing comments on my reading comprehension skills how about you stick to this OP and tell me whether you consider AOS to be an irresponsible black magician or not and why?

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Ah, it’s my intent that determines my “direct karmic responsibility”, not what actually happens. So if I have good intentions, but my bumbling idiocy leads to the death of thousands, that’s OK in terms of “direct karmic responsibility”. No, I don’t think so. The death of those thousands would be my “direct karmic responsibility” because it arose from my actions.

So lets' say e.g. an altruistic-Christian doctor invents/discovers a cure for a killer disease-plague and spares thousands of lives, one of whom was Heinrich Himmler's or Joe Stalin's parent. Is that doctor responsible for the Stalinist/Himmlerian genocides to be?


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01/12/2018 3:08 pm  

I don't know enough about AOS to comment intelligently on this, which is why i've said nothing til now.

However, you are conflating what AOS may or may not say about karma and magick with what Michael has said about the same topic in this thread, which are not the same thing. Michael has said nothing that remotely indicates that he "totally disagree with AC’s warnings about black magic and [that his] philosophy is ignore that because anything goes so satisfy all of your whims".

I don't think you have even made a very convincing case that AOS says this either, but then, again, i know nothing about his occult writings, and can only say he was a superb artist.


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01/12/2018 4:07 pm  

Ig: ... are not written by a committee of bored, and/or drunk, students.

No, no. The word is not "bored," it is Borg. The word must have been mumbled to you by your Angel, or maybe you had the TV on too loud.

D: Is that doctor responsible for the Stalinist/Himmlerian genocides to be?

We are all (every one of us) responsible for anything and all that we perceive. The fact that this level of responsibility is not acknowledged by our mind is due to the cosmic scenario wherein nobody gets to know (via gnosis) about their debt 'till they engage in an encounter with themselves at Binah.

Before Binah (B.'.B.'.), all problems and troubles tend to be attributed to the actions of others, who we can criticize and condemn.


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01/12/2018 8:18 pm  

We are all (every one of us) responsible for anything and all that we perceive.

that's why they developed the 'block' function on the forums 😉


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01/12/2018 8:46 pm  

@ignant666

I don’t think you have even made a very convincing case that AOS says this either, but then, again, i know nothing about his occult writings, and can only say he was a superb artist

But strictly speaking I'm not 'making a case' on 'whether AOS said' this or that as I am not an expert on AOS. My OP was also a request for information regarding this. As follows;

I don’t think Spare ever spoke about karma in relation to his magic sigil spells. Is he considered to be a black magician therefore?

ignant666 said;

However, you are conflating what AOS may or may not say about karma and magick with what Michael has said about the same topic in this thread, which are not the same thing. Michael has said nothing that remotely indicates that he “totally disagree with AC’s warnings about black magic and [that his] philosophy is ignore that because anything goes so satisfy all of your whims”.

Maybe a conflation between Michael and AOS there yes. By the way I have yet to apply logic to written sentences and arguments. I am at teh last stages of truth tree exercises thanks.

On the subject of AOS, Michael stated that AOS had no notion of HGA (in Thelema the HGA is the moral arbiter). AC wrote about any deviation from the straight line up to the HGA as being deviation and is therefore black magic ie brings karmic penalties.

AOS had contempt for the Cabbalah, for ceremony and for Crowley. He dropped out of the A'A' pretty early on. I strongly suspect that AOS also had contempt for AC's HGA moral karma admonitions also. I conclude from that that AC would therefore have viewed AOS as a black magician. Wouldn't you say? Michael's point about AOS functioning outside of the HGA 'paradigm' eliminates culpability thereby is an interesting one and which veers towards the world of chaos magick where morality and belief are seen as no more than tools.

I thought Michael or someone else may know. Never mind.

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We are all (every one of us) responsible for anything and all that we perceive. The fact that this level of responsibility is not acknowledged by our mind is due to the cosmic scenario wherein nobody gets to know (via gnosis) about their debt ’till they engage in an encounter with themselves at Binah.
Before Binah (B.’.B.’.), all problems and troubles tend to be attributed to the actions of others, who we can criticize and condemn.

But there are many who perceive/accept their karma debts before they become 8=3


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01/12/2018 9:11 pm  

D: But there are many who perceive/accept their karma debts before they become 8=3

Yes. They are the Adepti, the one's who are working/burning off ancestral and personal karma. But this is not a matter of accepting the burden of everything perceived. It takes a dip in Samadhi accompanied (caused) by the loss of the sense of a separate self.


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01/12/2018 10:03 pm  

Shiva: The word must have been mumbled to you by your Angel, or maybe you had the TV on too loud.

I don't have TV in the broadcast/cable sense, though i do own a device called a TV, but it was not at fault. Merely my usual lack of attention to Divine Guidance, i would guess.

david: I have yet to apply logic to written sentences and arguments.

Aha. We can only await that time when you get around to this with bated breath.

I will now, as an AOS ignoramus, bow out, having refereed my share of the day's sparring.


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02/12/2018 1:44 pm  

I will now, as an AOS ignoramus, bow out, having refereed my share of the day’s sparring.

Ignant I suggest you read this classic on the subject of AOS inspired magic;

merry xmas from me to yea;

https://zalbarath666.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/peter-j-carroll-liber-null-psychonaut.pdf


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03/12/2018 11:45 pm  

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(in Thelema the HGA is the moral arbiter)

I've never heard that one before. I was under the impression that the Holy Guardian Angel masked something deep and profound, rather than being little more than a Sunday School teacher.

Zos Kia has no concept of "direct karmic responsibility" because the Kia is the totality, the pleroma, which is our true identity. Its emphasis is not on the human being, but on the wider and deeper identity that lies beyond it, and out of which phenomena emerge, flourish awhile, then fall back, emerging again in fresh configurations.

To describe Spare as a black magician because he did not conform to your spectacularly ill-thought-out concept of "direct karmic responsibility" is in my view absurd.


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04/12/2018 3:31 pm  

If we're examining "higher states," which seems to be the case, maybe we better keep in mind that the 6th, Electric, neurocircuit (attributable to Geburah) lies in the realm covered by the so-called HGA. One of the surprising attributes of this circuit is Amorality.

That means, "without morals," or "against morality."

Let's try to keep things in the boxes they came in. Morals, and our conformity or non-conformity to them, is found in the House of Victory, down in the dark cellar of Netzach. Cultural bias, familial programming, and confrontation of the id (the Beast) are all encountered in the green mansion (Manson?), and they must be equilibrated before one can even chat with the HGA via long-distance phartsmone, fax, or email (much less in person, wherein the HGA tells us how to think and behave, like (as mentioned) a Sunday School teacher.

Historically, folks who get up into the Electric circuit tend to start causing change, and the Establishment (represented by some LAShTALian posters) immediately cries out, "Immoral!" or "Amoral" or "He's a rotten person!"

A Code of Morals is described precisely in both Book 4 and Eight Lectures on Yoga. You know, Yama and Niyama, wherein the "proper" code of morality is defined as a life of thought and activity that least disturbs the mind.


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04/12/2018 10:16 pm  

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I’ve never heard that one before. I was under the impression that the Holy Guardian Angel masked something deep and profound, rather than being little more than a Sunday School teacher.

Maybe check a dictionary for definitions of the word "morality". I'm sure any HGA would agree that if we renege upon the statement 'thou shalt try to listen to thine HGA' then this has has bad consequences. Right? In that sense it is 'morality' or a 'principle'. AL is called 'The Book of the Law'. What happens when you're bad? You break the law. Right?

Zos Kia has no concept of “direct karmic responsibility” because the Kia is the totality, the pleroma, which is our true identity. Its emphasis is not on the human being, but on the wider and deeper identity that lies beyond it, and out of which phenomena emerge, flourish awhile, then fall back, emerging again in fresh configurations.

Ok now you're making sense.

To describe Spare as a black magician because he did not conform to your spectacularly ill-thought-out concept of “direct karmic responsibility” is in my view absurd.

Maybe Kia is HGA.


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@Shiva

Shiva are you using the following
attributions?;

Circuit 1 malkuth
2 yesod
3 hod.
4 netzach.
5 tipareth
6 geburah.
7 chesed.
8 binah.


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05/12/2018 3:31 pm  

D: ... the following attributions? ...(1,2,3, etc)

Yes.


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05/12/2018 10:07 pm  

@shiva

Yes.

That falls together nicely. The warmth of neurosomatic Tipareth directly above the hidden animal lunatic.


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06/12/2018 3:31 pm  

D: That falls together nicely.

It's just a simple 1:1 correlation. I got caught up in various other alignments, but this one-for-one has proven itself to me.


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06/12/2018 5:23 pm  

It’s just a simple 1:1 correlation. I got caught up in various other alignments, but this one-for-one has proven itself to me

I9 wonder what Geburah has to do with neuroelectric and what Chesed has to do with neurogenetic?


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D: I wonder what Geburah has to do with neuroelectric and what Chesed has to do with neurogenetic?

Everything. They fit like a glove. Since I have recently exposed the secrets of these degrees in extremely fine detail <haha>, I'll not be sitting here typing it all over again.

I'll be happy to send you the pdf Chapters on Electric and Akashic from The Master Codex. Anyone else as well.

Just send me an email, Subject: SEND ELECTRIC & AKAKASHIC, at notarajah@gmail.com.


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Thanks Shiva but all i received was a spam reply.


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D: Thanks Shiva but all i received was a spam reply.

Slow down. You are SPEEEDIINGG.

You received a "Vacation Responder" message telling you that your message would be reviewed, and that this particular address was not used for general correspondence. I only check gmail occasionally, and I do not offer Instant Response. I am not wired to a "DING-DING! You have a Message" circuit.

If you sent an email, you will get the secret documents as offered. But first I check the News (BBC), then LAShTAL (the eternal now), three business/communication email providers ... THEN I go to the Borg HQ, er, Gmail.

If you can just wait another 30-60 minutes (maybe longer if I get embroiled in a lengthy dialog), you'll get one or two Chapters delivered by Mercury, the Cosmic Messenger Boy.

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I can wait thanks, just checking progress.


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17/01/2019 11:19 pm  

@dom :

Maybe Kia is HGA [Reply # 110314]
Why should this be though? You never explained your reasoning...

"Still waiting",
N Joy


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18/01/2019 11:28 am  

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“Still waiting”,

Like Diana Ross, we're all still waiting.


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18/01/2019 3:05 pm  

"Maybe Kia is HGA [Reply # 110314]
Why should this be though? You never explained your reasoning…

“Still waiting”,"

Well Maybe
after one sub personality shifts;
awakening from the other;
and dreams vague recollections
of another awakening;
an answer
might conceivably emerge
perchance .

any way
this sounds abit like HGA ?

“Kia or Atmospheric ‘I,’ which uses Zos as its special field of activity. “
“The term flesh denotes in this context the fully conscious awareness of the Atmospheric ‘I’—the 'neither-neither' principle, now, in the all-pervading body of the present. A traditionally symbolic form of this concept is encountered in Tibetan Buddhism under the Yab-Yum image, which is a representation of the Kia rehearsing its blissful contact with the Zos or ‘body-considered as a whole.’ The Kia is present everywhere, but the immediacy of its realisation is sought through the flesh, as in Zen it is apprehended through the mind.”

http://pastelegram.org/e/126

your turn dom


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