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30/06/2017 8:31 am  

Entry 9-11 Feb 1918:
T. asks: “W.Y.B.A.U.T.M.?” ((Will Yorick be any use to me?))
Ans.: “T.T.T. (In Greek Qabalah) ” – “Yes.”
I see an inverted G, perhaps teth.

any clues who Yorick is (apart from Hamlet's acquaintance)?

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Jamie J Barter
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01/07/2017 3:30 am  

T. asks: “W.Y.B.A.U.T.M.?” ((Will Yorick be any use to me?))
Any clues who Yorick is (apart from Hamlet’s acquaintance)?

Perhaps in the encryptioning spirit of the communication it may be a portmanteau of YOga OR magICK, as in 'will they (these techniques) be of any use to me?' As good as any other explanation, possibly!?

By the by Elsie, might you have had any luck in managing to track down and contact the elusive and reclusive Bill yet? (Still stuck and lost in his rabbit hole of yore, maybe?)

Contemplatively yours,
Norma N Joy Conquest


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Jamie J Barter
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07/07/2017 1:10 am  

It is usually customary as basic civilised etiquette, for when a reply is rendered to a point or question specifically raised by the OP that s/he then gives back some sort of answer, agreeing or disagreeing with the basic thrust of the response but at least acknowledging that such had been made & that someone had gone to the trouble to try to offer help. You have raised several similar such ones to do with Amalantrah, Elsie, which arguably could all have been included in a single thread instead of spreading them out into separate ones (although I'm not that fussed about THAT). Since my reply, you've also importuned upon the assistance of Lashtalians further by asking for their co-operation in deciphering Liber 729 and you had also, earlier, created an entire thread just about your attempts to contact Bill Breeze. So it is quite justified and eminently reasonable, I feel, for people to want to enquire about your progress here as well (although I must confess I am not presently losing any sleep over THAT, either.)

Endeavouring to nevertheless maintain some sort of standards and conversation in an apparently Thelema-free, non-occult, low-interaction environment,
N Joy


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07/07/2017 2:31 pm  

we'll soon reach the Singularity - when Jamie alone will create and answer all posts....


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08/07/2017 3:34 am  

🙂 Is the correct phrase LMAORAOTF? An affecting observation methinks, but not quite true, William! And There I was too, contemplating taking a vow of silence after a five year period of engaging & withdrawing back into obscurity [except I signed on here with an avatar using my real name - doh!]

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08/07/2017 8:29 am  

Is this the site where every creepy old man cannot get enough?


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William Thirteen
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10/07/2017 4:46 pm  

only five years already! somehow it seems much, much longer....


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10/07/2017 9:22 pm  

i like jamie. he's entertaining. keep on rocking weirdo 😉


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11/07/2017 12:56 am  

Perhaps, Chris, but this isn't a thread about Jamie. It's a thread about an aspect of the Amalantrah Working.


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11/07/2017 2:27 am  

My apologies Jamie


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 Anonymous
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11/07/2017 2:34 am  

Dear Jamie, had not checked "notify via email" box. Situation remedied. As I'm doing a close comparison of several typescripts, questions arise piecemeal, and i resort to here when my own research efforts are of no avail. I like your answer but i don't think it's correct. No, I have not followed up on BB, but I'm hoping persons better placed with an interest in the project will. I reject the predicate "importuned Lashtalians", being one myself, and a donor, and, having received responses from several whose efforts to help have become part of the project, with full acknowledgement. >Love, Elsie.


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11/07/2017 4:45 pm  

Could Yorick be a tongue in cheek nickname for Gerald Yorke, or had they not met yet?


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11/07/2017 7:42 pm  

They'd not met at the time of the Amalantrah Working (1918), Chris. I think they did not meet until 1928.


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11/07/2017 11:35 pm  

Apologies for not managing to reply earlier but I've been experiencing firefox trouble.

Dear Jamie, had not checked “notify via email” box. Situation remedied.
Thank you for your elegant and civilised reply which has succeeded in extracting the wind out of my sails, Elsie!  However, the matter of the box was irrelevant since I made the post on July 7th at 12:10 am and you had by this time already started a new thread on 729(on July 6th at 6:31 am).  I assumed, obviously wrongly, that you would therefore have seen my original reply by then.

I reject the predicate “importuned Lashtalians”, being one myself [...]
I wrote that because the thread consisted consisting solely of what I found to be a rather brusque and peremptory in tone command to "try here .... scrawl from 729 TS" along with the thread title "can you decipher this?", with nary a would you please or thank you in sight.  However in view of your gracious apology I feel it would be churlish to continue in this vein & i'm all for us let's being pals & starting anew afresh

only five years already! somehow it seems much, much longer….
But to me, it's been the merest blink of an eye William.  (Like your part-namesake Billy Pilgrim, I feel like I might've become a bit unstuck in time...)

i like jamie. he’s entertaining. keep on rocking weirdo 😉
Why thank you Chris (I think!)  I find your posts entertaining too & the occasional qi-gong updates every now & agin, informative.

Firefoxily yours,
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12/07/2017 3:44 pm  

draft acknowledgements
archive access: Francis Dashwood, Symonds and Grant, Frater Anonymous, WEH, Daimon Mac Aleister, William Breeze, Michael Staley, Frater VVV, Warburg Institute, O.T.O

research and criticism: lashtal.com, Kevin Davies, Francis Dashwood, John Griffith, ignant666, William Breeze, Gerald Yorke, WEH, Kenneth Grant, Frater Anonymous, Frater VVV, Michael Staley

proof-reading: Frater VVV, Frater Anonymous, James Gosling,

technical support: Francis Dashwood, Michael Staley, Paul Feazy, Linda Plowman


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12/07/2017 3:45 pm  

Michael Staley: They’d not met at the time of the Amalantrah Working (1918), Chris. I think they did not meet until 1928.

that's great info actually thanks - just before MiT&P was published?


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12/07/2017 6:58 pm  

Yes. It was Yorke who paid for Magick in Theory and Practice to be printed. I believe that unfortunately the printed books were sent to Forthampton Court - home of the aristocratic Yorke family - and thus came to the attention of Yorke's father, precipitating an almighty row.


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12/07/2017 10:32 pm  

and thus came to the attention of Yorke’s father, precipitating an almighty row.

Like with Regardie when his sister blew the gaff over his travelling to gay Paree (shocking!) to become Secretary to The Beast (double shocking!!) Oh, the incontinent rage of the father(s)! Maybe their transgressions and replacement by A.C. was all very --- Freudian?

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12/07/2017 11:52 pm  

Elsie Gray Parker

As well as the Yorick in Shakespeare’s Hamlet a character of the same name appears in Laurence Sterne’s Life and opinions of Tristram Shandy. If you don’t have it to hand the Wikipedia entry might be enough:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_and_Opinions_of_Tristram_Shandy,_Gentleman

AC knew and liked the book. So much so that he wrote (1917-18) a pastiche called Not the Life and Adventures of Sir Roger Bloxham. This book has a chapter called Alas Poor Yorick.

This is unpublished but appears as an appendix to someone’s MA thesis and is on the net at:

http://escholarshare.drake.edu/bitstream/handle/2092/688/dt1991CNSII.pdf?sequence=1

None of this gives you an answer but it may be a line of enquiry as to what Yorick meant to AC at the time.

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14/07/2017 5:21 am  

Ok thanks everyone, and keep letting me know if you have any more ideas, you will be acknowledged.
love is the law love under will


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15/07/2017 2:51 am  

Yorick was a pseudonym for Laurence Sterne himself. Before Tristram Shandy he used that name for his work. Of course AC was aware of this!


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15/07/2017 6:03 am  

Horemakhet that's great info and will be acknowledged. Have you got a citation for this fact?


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15/07/2017 6:44 am  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sermons_of_Laurence_Sterne

...That's just a start, & me being rather lazy, but more than enough.


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Jamie J Barter
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15/07/2017 7:33 pm  

Eh?  Sorry Elsie, I don't get it at all --- yes, I like Laurence Sterne too but how is Tristram Shandy/ Not ... Sir Roger Bloxham the answer to this aspect of the Amalantrah working (of "will it be of any use to me")?!  I could have told you that right back at the beginning as well (before everyone & his dog is now having second thoughts & deciding to pour on to this thread in comparison with your other Amalantrah questions) if I thought that was what you were looking for but I didn't (and still don't) see how Trist or Blox are at all relevant to the query!? 
Plus even given that they are in any way, how would the "inverted G perhaps teth" also fit in?

If you should need more biographical facts on A.C. and e.g. his relations with Yorke, etc., then the best biographies to go to for information are Kaczynski or Churton which would then hopefully contain all you'd want.

Good luck!
N Joy


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15/07/2017 7:59 pm  

I didn’t (and still don’t) see how Trist or Blox are at all relevant to the query!?

The question was simply to identify who Yorick might be in the sentence "Will Yorick be of any use to me?". There's no suggestion in that simple enquiry that anything written by Sterne, let alone Crowley's Roger Bloxham story, has a bearing on the Amalantrah Working.


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19/07/2017 9:43 am  

"The question was simply to identify who Yorick might be in the sentence “Will Yorick be of any use to me?”. There’s no suggestion in that simple enquiry that anything written by Sterne, let alone Crowley’s Roger Bloxham story, has a bearing on the Amalantrah Working"

Precisely.


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19/07/2017 9:45 am  

"Yorick was a pseudonym for Laurence Sterne himself. Before Tristram Shandy he used that name for his work. Of course AC was aware of this!"

seems to to sum it up nicely!


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19/07/2017 9:47 am  

Thackeray, W. M. "Sterne and Goldsmith" Roundabout Papers. American News Co. 1885. p. 524

Thanks Horemakhet


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Jamie J Barter
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20/07/2017 3:51 am  

“The question was simply to identify who Yorick might be in the sentence “Will Yorick be of any use to me?”. There’s no suggestion in that simple enquiry that anything written by Sterne, let alone Crowley’s Roger Bloxham story, has a bearing on the Amalantrah Working”
Precisely.

Nonetheless, although I feel myself to perhaps be in a minority I continue to contend that in the context of the thread title and the extract from the working quoted, the implication presented therefrom still begs the question of how or of what use Yorick would be to Crowley in terms of (a bearing upon) the actual Amalantrah Working itself. And where the relevance of Bloxham / Tristram Shandy and/or Laurence Sterne remains obscure & indeterminate at best.

N Joy


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20/07/2017 8:09 am  

"T. asks: “W.Y.B.A.U.T.M.?” ((Will Yorick[1] be any use to me?))
Ans.: “T.T.T. (In Greek Qabalah) ” – “Yes.”
I see an inverted G, perhaps teth.

T.: “What use?”
Ans.: The wizard has a boy in his arms and turns him so that I see his back. He is a farmer boy. There is a baby in the wizard’s5 arms whom the w. “teaches to spread the law”...."

[1] Perhaps A.C.’s “(1917-18) … pastiche [of Tristram Shandy] called Not the Life and Adventures of Sir Roger Bloxham” a chapter of which is called “Alas Poor Yorick.” (OKontrair, July 12, 2017, lashtal.com). “Laurence Sterne used that name for his work” before Tristram Shandy, and “of course AC was aware of this.”(Horemakhet, July 15, lashtal.com). See Thackeray 1885 page 524. –EGP.


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21/07/2017 2:42 am  

so, it's my guess AC is asking if his book Not the Life..., published soon after this, will make him any money...

so thankyou Jamie Barker for driving me to this conclusion premised on OKontrair and Horemakhet's facts.

[1] Perhaps A.C.’s “(1917-18) … pastiche [of Tristram Shandy] called Not the Life and Adventures of Sir Roger Bloxham” a chapter of which is called “Alas Poor Yorick.” (OKontrair, July 12, 2017; Jamie J. Baker July 20, 2017, lashtal.com). “Laurence Sterne used that name for his work” before Tristram Shandy, and “of course AC was aware of this.” (Horemakhet, July 15, lashtal.com). See Thackeray 1885 page 524. –EGP.


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21/07/2017 3:25 am  

Neither a baker nor a fairground barker be I but instead a huckster of the marketplace, glad to be of any service (including that of being a driver as well) for your book due out in, what --- 2039 by the latest copyright restrictions (Bill not allowing)?!

Looking (22 years) forward to it,
Z Joy (Bater)


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21/07/2017 4:42 am  

JB said, ...that of being a driver as well) for your book due out in, what — 2039 by the latest copyright restrictions ...

Well, if it's her book, then she can copyright it tomorrow. If it's a reprint or newly-printed copy of AC's book, then you're right. If it's a comment or commentary review of one of AC's books, then "fair use" allows the limited usage of selected portions of AC's work - the exact length of the "portions" is not defined (except vaguely) and attorneys (you call them barristers, I believe) and judges will possibly be involved.

Do you remember the days when anyone could (and did) publish AC books without any worries or hassles?


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21/07/2017 10:44 am  

so, it’s my guess AC is asking if his book Not the Life…, published soon after this, will make him any money…

I think this is unlikely, Elsie. This is a description of the book from the Hermetic Library, where it is available online:

Shortly after his arrival in New York, Crowley recorded in his diary his hope of attracting to himself a man like Jerome Pollitt, the love of his Cambridge youth. In his picaresque novel Not the Life and Adventures of Sir Roger Bloxam — written in the period 1916–1917 and described by Crowley as a “Novelissim” (innovative curiosity) — Crowley offered a disguised paean to Pollitt that echoed his love poems in the pseudonymous Scented Garden 1910

https://hermetic.com/crowley/not-the-life-of-sir-roger-bloxam/index

I doubt very much that Crowley would have seen this book as a potential financial success.


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25/07/2017 4:47 am  

Dear Michael:
My interpretation of what the sentence means seems to be wrong - but i feel the identification is still likely, given the chronology and in absence of anything else - you say "Shortly after his arrival in New York, Crowley recorded in his diary his hope of attracting to himself a man like Jerome Pollitt" (a citation for that would be great!) - could he possibly have meant "Not the Life..." "be[ing] of any use" in that hope?


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