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(@na)
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What would you say were the exact dates (day) where AC definitely started his 'magical career' and the actual day in which were he made his greatest achievement therein i.e. I guess we could attribute  this to his attainment of his highest grade.

I was thinking 'Stockholm experience' or taking his G.D. Oath or faffing around on the beach trying to call forth an undine to the end-result  Grade of Magus.  No?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline

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No takers on this one?  I want to transpose McKenna's Timeline Zero graph over the linear span of AC's existence.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline

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@dom

Maybe it would make sense to do this the other way round: put the graph over AC's lifetime and then determine the most significant event from that. Its been a long time since I read about McKenna's Timeline stuff so I don't remember exactly how it goes.

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@dom

Maybe it would make sense to do this the other way round: put the graph over AC's lifetime and then determine the most significant event from that. Its been a long time since I read about McKenna's Timeline stuff so I don't remember exactly how it goes.

Oh, you mean just go from his actual birth yeah why not?   My initial reasoning though was influenced by the fact that he may have regressed after he attained, according to e.g. Colin Wilson anyway so we could therefore use the highest attainment as the zero-point and work backwards.

Anyway the Hexagrams are in couples and all of these couples are in a sequence.   The difference between the broken lines and unbroken lines from Hexagram to Hexagram (simply put) differentiates and this is produced in a graph where the Y-axis is Novelty (zero being the supreme level of Novelty) and the X-axis is apparent linear time.   Any downward movement towards zero on the X-axis is  a breakthrough and any movement away from the X-axis is regressive or conservative.

Here is a more fuller explanation from the man himself;

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline

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Is this part of McKenna's analysis,to apply the graph to any one individual's life?   The answer is no because everyone who ever died at the exact same age would have the exact same peaks and troughs of development.  However, seeing as we are talking about the Word of the Aeon who encapsulates all previous advancements we may be able to apply it.

With that said I have applied Mckenna's graph to AC's linear existence and what we have is

Aged 15 to 21 shows a very steep move towards novelty then setbacks to aged 24 where is a sharp 3 year set back.  24 to 26.5 shows high novelty level then a setback up to late 27 (1902) years but novelty increases onwards to age 30 (1905).  Then a set back to 32 years (1907) but novelty then increases further (all these novelty spouts are cumulative).  Aged 36 to 37,5  (1911 to 1913) is a sharp setback then this stays level until and intense level of development to aged 45 (1920).    Then a years or so of a short sharp setback (around 1922)  and steady novelty all the way to aged 54  (around 1922 - 1929) where there is a major decline (1929 to 1934)  to aged 59 and then it's better and better all the way to terminus.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline

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Aged 36 to 37.,5  (1911 to 1913) is a sharp setback then this stays level until 1917 where there is an intense level of development to aged 45 (1920) where there is  a very sharp setback which lasts a year or so and is probably The Cefalu Period if you give all this credence.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline

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Why not give it a rest dom?  No one apart from the duck appears to be biting on this, the latest in your regular attempts to start an unnecessary new thread and impose a 'talking point' on the rest of the forum.  Better luck with it next week?

But while I'm here though, what's this unnecessary "end" in the title - that would have been when he died, surely? And

Posted by: @dom

faffing around on the beach trying to call forth an undine to the end-result  Grade of Magus.  No?

What beach?  What undine? What?

Yes - No,

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Not enough historians on forum. Didn't you say that you were interested in Joyce's Ulysses?  Well that's what we are talking about here.

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Posted by: @dom

Well that's what we are talking about here.

A little less of the "we" here, I think, when you've been responsible for five out of the last six posts, combined with a triple posting (not to mention trying to muscle Mr McKenna into the agenda through the back door).

Although you may be right about the lack of historians, can't quite see the (missing) link (or relevance) 'twixt Ulysses and A.C.'s magical "career" either, dom.

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Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Although you may be right about the lack of historians, can't quite see the (missing) link (or relevance) 'twixt Ulysses and A.C.'s magical "career" either, dom.

N Joy

Well yeah that's what I suspected.  Maybe watch that youtube link above.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline

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Well yeah, maybe if I can uh, be bothered and spare the time to buy into your "topic", but at the moment rather unlikely considering you haven't even bothered to answer the points I already raised in connection with it (the meaning/relevance of the 'end'; ditto with the beach and the mage-ical undine).  Maybe if anyone else can also be bothered to get your latest attempt at "debate" moving in a productive sense so it's not all a misapplied waste of effort - yer know, yeah?

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AC's first attempt at evocation on a beach in England.  A policeman queried what he was doing.

Ulysses is mentioned in McKenna's Timeline Zero theory of historical resonance I mentioned and he references in that youtube link.  You know Joyce based each chapter of that novel on Homer's epic poem the Odyssey?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline

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