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(@proteus)
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in Cairo at present and able to to take a look?

I have a friend traveling to Cairo in a few days. He'll be there for a week or so. I'll ask him to take a look if someone clues me in on what to look at.

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As above so below...

If the three pyramids are the three kings in Orion
The location of interest is Sirius

The line on III 47 is a contour of the Nile. The circle squared is what you are looking for.

The district is Bulaq not Boulaq Abul Ela


   
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Right about where 6 October Bridge intersects Alkhalig or Algezera? And how do we know you haven't already plundered the treasure?


   
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Thanks for that, tai; now I can put away my maps!

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You're welcome.

I'll bet there's a moral buried somewhere in here..


   
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Chapter II 76 --> Location


   
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"faustian" wrote:
Chapter II 76 --> Location

Yes, you've mentioned that already: http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=15058#15058

Any chance of some clarity about your suspicions and suppositions?

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If one were to draw a straight line between Alnilam and Alnitak (the 2 Al(s)), one would indeed land somewhere near the 6th of October bridge on a 33 degree angle. But Sirius is not on such a line, but rather to the North by a few degrees.


   
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Thanks for bringing this topic back to the top. I have gotten some results from following this trail that are really quite astonishing to me so far. It is actually messing with my head a bit. I've been attempting to process my findings for several hours now, and seem to find more as I go. I actually think there is a possibility I may have found something extremely significant as a result of this thread.


   
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III 4


   
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93 faustian,

While this train of thought has led me to a discovery (which may or may not have any real meaning), I don't think it is what you are referring to here. If you really have information that may be helpful to me, shoot me a PM. If you will stop the cryptic messages perhaps I could benefit from your perspective. I'm not going to "announce" my findings at this time, mostly because I am really doubting myself right now and need to look at this some more (also because I don't want to look like a nut-bag), but I am curious to know if you have found the same thing I have or not.

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P.S. Looking back on the thread again, I'm fairly certain we are referring to very different locations.

If I feel more comfortable about it in the future, perhaps I'll see what the rest of you think of what I've located. For now, I'll be processing some of this with the help of a couple of trusted friends. Sorry if I sound like a nut everyone, but one can only do SO MANY math problems that seem to "Add up" before they start seeming a bit nutty to even themselves.


   
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Now that I know for certain that I am looking at a different location than faustian, I am going to post what I have found. I ask that you all try not to think I am a nut after I post it though. Fair enough? I haven't found the significance of the location itself(if there is any), but I'll post what I have so far. Perhaps someone else can help me make sense of it...


   
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If the line drawn = the Nile, it's obviously referring to the left side of Zamelek. If so, the circle squared would be the big circular roundabout where El Sad El Aly converges. There must be something in plain view for everyone to see in that big circle. But this is not on Zamelek. Unless one interprets this roundabout to = "island"?

I must say, I am brilliant!


   
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What an interesting interstellar medium

here is a map
http://www3.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw/SP3NU.HTM

The Residuals of the stolen treasure in Zamalek Island must be strong.


   
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Here's a close up of that roundabout:

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5972919


   
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If you use Google Earth to look at Cairo, and superimpose the line onto the nile at a certain location. The circle matches up with a literal Circle in the landscape. This circle is called Al Galaa "Square" "circle squared"? Within the circle is a statue, and some art. It appears that if one was standing in the smaller circle in front of the statue's platform, that they would be at the following Lat and Long. 31 13'10.5 N 30 02'24.09E

31 (13) + 10 + 5=418
30 (02) +24 = 9=93

The structure itself looks somewhat like the mark of the beast in it's shape.

Spelled "Al Gala", it enumerates to 66, and there are six roads leading to the circle itself.

The pedestal that the statue stands on is actually quite similar to the column depicted on the Devil card of the Thoth deck.

The circle itself appears to be 120 feet in diameter.

There is more, but I am still working on stuff (and I don't want to go overboard here). Does anyone else think this might somehow be a significant discovery? Or am I sounding like a crazy person here?


   
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That second equation should have a "+" where the "=" is


   
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am I sounding like a crazy person here?

of course. you just don't know it yet.

keep working


   
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"ozzzz666" wrote:
This circle is called Al Galaa "Square" "circle squared"?

I'm rather attached to my roundabout, but I could go with Galaa Square...


   
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Some visual aids:


   
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Thanks. I've been up all night looking at similar things... πŸ˜‰

Here's the best one I've found.

Is anyone here able to translate the hieroglyphs on the statue?


   
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Probably wouldn't give any insight into the Great Beast:

Statue of Dean of Arabic Literature Taha Hussein (1898-1973) by Professor Hussein Kamel unveiled on Monday June 16, 2003. The 3.55 meter-high bronze statue faces Al Galaa Bridge, Giza.

http://www.egy.com/landmarks/Cairo-Statues.shtml


   
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As clever as our solution may sound, I think we need to backtrack and look at Faustian's hints once more. Balmoral Hotel is north of Galaa Square, close to 15 May Bridge. If you cross over the bridge, the Supreme Council of Anitiquities is right on the other side at 3 El Adel Abu Bakr St. on Zamalek. That suggests to me we need to turn the Cairo map upside down to get the "line drawn" configuration correct. If so, the circle squared would be somewhere right around the SCA.


   
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"Our" solution? That seems a bit bold.

"tai" wrote:
If the line drawn = the Nile, it's obviously referring to the left side of Zamelek. If so, the circle squared would be the big circular roundabout where El Sad El Aly converges. There must be something in plain view for everyone to see in that big circle. But this is not on Zamelek. Unless one interprets this roundabout to = "island"?

I must say, I am brilliant!

I don't necessarily think that "I" have solved much of anything at this point, but I have gotten some rather interesting results with the location "I" found. Including a bunch that I haven't posted here (and probably won't) for fear of sounding like a nut, because they all seem to indicate the number 77, which is equivalent to my magickal motto.


   
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III 47 anchors the sheet (the Key is a sandbar and also the circle squared)

III 73 is the procedure

but use the original manuscript


   
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I already tried that method. One of the pasted sheets recommended using "dropping from the But" in the cakes of light.

III:6


   
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Go to the location where Sirius is (relative to the pyramids). You can't miss it, there is a '666' at the door.


   
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By "location" do you refer to somewhere on the pasted sheets and, if yes, what is the sequence of chapters you use?

The only interesting sequence I found was chapters 1, 3 and 2 (22, 21, 22).


   
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any progress on finding the apartment or location of said apartment?


   
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Wow. A thelemic Focault's Pendulum.


   
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The circle squared is pie are squared, the cross of matter on the plane of Malkuth. Thou art here, be here now. The prodigal son returns home. Liber 31 by Frater Achad.


   
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In my opinion, this thread is one of the best ever written here. Good old Faustian has kept me hanging since it began. So much charm, & mystery wrapped in a pretty package. When I go to Cairo. . .


   
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In my opinion, this thread is one of the best ever written here. . .

I concur. I have found much magick and inspiring mystery in this thread...Just as sleight of hand fills me with wonder and amazement, so does sleight of mind. Both only require suspension of disbelief, and imagining 'what if'?


   
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THE CIRCLE SQUARED – ALEISTER’S β€˜X’ MARKS THE SPOT!

Some graphics to assist the casual reader maybe?

http://www.paultoner.com/WORDPRESS/2016/05/30/the-circle-squared-aleisters-x-marks-the-spot/


   
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Thanks Paul. It seems to me that if you were to reverse the direction on the line, putting the circle/squared on Zamalek - you would end up just around the current location of the SCA.

Can anyone confirm which map of Cairo AC was working with?


   
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by the way - here is a photo of Shepheards from the 1880's

Shepheard's Hotel


   
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Brilliant bit of detective work. Thanks for giving me something to chew on.


   
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Can anyone confirm which map of Cairo AC was working with?

First, someone has to establish that A.C. used a map at all; you act as if Faustian's theory has been confirmed.

Ironically, Faustian's attempt at explaining verses II:76 & III:47 of LIber Legis is no less far-fetched than any of the efforts made using gematria or Qabalah; that anyone could see page 60 of the holograph as a map only goes to show that most people will see whatever their imagination wants to see. Based on statements made in verse III:47, the line and circle on page 60 pertain to a mystery that relates to letters on the page, a fact conveniently ignored by Faustian's theory.

The question is not whether Faustian's solution to verses II:76 & III:47 are correct: they are not; the question is will those interested be able to recognize the true solutions when the time comes.


   
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Oh, I am certainly not saying it has been confirmed but it would make sense for those wanting to play along at home to be using the same source materials. If one decides to take the grid as that of a map, then scale is everything. Or as my ladyfriends exclaim "Size Matters!"

Regarding AC's map - one might assume he used a map to get around the city, travelers often do. If so, which could it have been? Baedeker's 5th Edition was published in 1902

Baedeker's Egypt Travel Guides


   
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@herupakraath wrote: 'The question is not whether Faustian’s solution to verses II:76 & III:47 are correct: they are not.'

I would agree with you that his solution tells only half the story but I'm surprised - well, perhaps not really - that you are so confident that it 'is no less far-fetched than any of the efforts made using gematria.' Time will tell.

As @ptoner wrote on his Blog recently: 'It is my belief that the grid was a map. It’s the most logical explanation available.' http://www.paultoner.com/WORDPRESS/2016/05/30/the-circle-squared-aleisters-x-marks-the-spot/

He has done some interesting work - documented on his Blog - that shows distinct progress towards the solution.

IMHO.

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Dwtw

The map in Baedeker's does not appear to be marked with the marginal letters and numbers of the detailed map by Nicohosoff.
https://books.google.com/books?id=REcpAAAAYAAJ

Although the map idea is intriguing, and P Toner's work is suggestive, one would have to show that the available map of the time would have been gridded the same way. Given that the grid was added long after 1904, a later map could have been used, in a retroactive manner. But that would only emphasize the fact that the line drawn and circle squared could not have been deliberately placed prior to the grid.

All that notwithstanding, if in fact the grid page indicated a map, and the line and circle were features on that map, how would this provide a key to the Book of the Law? Furthermore, if the circle squared was simply a place marker near D7 on the grid, there wouldn't be a need for the 'line drawn', since the grid would provide the necessary metadata. So if the 'X' marks the hotel where the Crowleys stayed, or the Boulak Museum, or any other interesting place, what does the line signify? If the line is meant as an adjunct to the 'X', then the grid lines don't really matter. So there's a redundancy there, unless the 'line drawn' indicates something else altogether.

Lashtal mentioned long ago that the Stele was also involved with the grid page, and it would be interesting to see that line of inquiry developed as well.

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I did stumble across another individuals thoughts on the grid being a map.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal21b.htm

I realise the biggest flaw with my suggestion is that the grid is reversed and not likely to ever have been used on any standardised mapping system. So the question is, what else could a grid be used for?


   
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I would agree with you that his solution tells only half the story but I’m surprised – well, perhaps not really – that you are so confident that it β€˜is no less far-fetched than any of the efforts made using gematria.’ Time will tell.

Confirmation bias can manifest in any number of ways: it even applies to those that prefer a physical explanation for verse III:47 of Liber Legis over a metaphysical explanation. The verse states there are mysteries hidden in the letters that no Beast shall divine, followed by a warning to Crowley that he should not seek a solution, yet he did by drawing the grid over the page; thus the map theory involves a grid that was not supposed to be drawn on the page; it ignores the significance of the letters on the page; it has nothing to do with the mathematical squaring of a circle as indicated in the verse; and omits the third key specified, Abrahadabra: my skepticism of the map theory should be no surprise for those reasons alone.

I can understand the criticism directed by yourself and others at applications of gematria to the ciphers of Liber Legis that prove nothing except how susceptible its exponents are to confirmation bias, and how ignorant they are of the limitations of gematria; nevertheless, gematria has also been grossly underestimated as a tool for encrypting evidence in the book that can prove its metaphysical origins.

Rumor has it there is a forthcoming solution to verse III:47 that will turn heads across the spectrum, including yours.


   
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@heruakraath wrote:

Rumor has it there is a forthcoming solution to verse III:47 that will turn heads across the spectrum, including yours.

Really? Please don't tell me it's RTC's latest!

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Posted by: @ozzzz666

If you really have information that may be helpful to me, shoot me a PM. If you will stop the cryptic messages perhaps I could benefit from your perspective. I'm not going to "announce" my findings at this time

Oh, Ra and the Seven Hotels. It seems a real conspiracy (not a theory) is developing right before our eyes. I thought this was not an occult site. Secret messages, refusal to reveal. The chatter sounds exactly like several of our contemporary threads.

Posted by: @lashtal

a forthcoming solution

This announcement (by hpk) was three years ago ... and this timely thread started in what? 2007? Twelve years ago. The codes of the gods grind slowly.

To speed them up, I evoked BorG Earth and superimposed theOrion Belt over the pyramids and extended a line (similar to how it appears in the night sky) to find the Sirius counterpart (the key to something). Unfortunately, GooGle camera vehicles have not yet driven up and down the narrow streets of where Sirius was located. The architecture and general layout of the streets is frightening to me, a rural dweller.

So I couldn't drop down to "street view" and walk around. I didn't see any significant landmarks, squares, circles, or buildings. I'm giving up for now (It's 3:00 AM in England), but I plan to go back.


   
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I wish someone would just spell it out for us dolts.

If this thread is what Paul means by saying the solution is spelled out in plain language somewhere on the site, i'd have to say not the language is not plain enough for me.

I looked at old maps of Cairo etc years ago when this thread was new, and wracked my brain over the hints, and spent sometime today doing it again. Generally good at puzzle-solving; i never got anywhere with this one.


   
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As already stated by frater_anubis: "Paul got a lot of information out of Faustian ...".

And the latter spells out a II:76 Cipher solution, which is confirmed by the Owner and Editor of lashtal.com, within the first page of a thread started by me on this site, titled 'Various II:76 Cipher solutions...'. (Source: 'Various II:76 Cipher solutions...' - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/various-ii76-cipher-solutions/ )


   
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The posts you mention are far from clear in explaining anything, wrwb, and further don't refer to a map of Cairo, or the original AL ms., or mention anything about the Balmoral Hotel. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with what's discussed here.

So does Faustian have two different solutions that Paul likes, or am i just a thicko?


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

I wish someone would just spell it out for us dolts.

D-O-L-T-(S)


   
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