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I recently picked up a book called "The Dark Arts" by Richard Cavendish. According to my knowledge, this book was first published over forty years ago and is held in high regard by many occultists. So far I have come across parts in the books that are questionable, and one section is the Crowley chapter. For example, Cavendish writes that Crowley once turned Victor Nerburg into a Camel! And in another paragrapgh write that Crowley once baptised a toad as Jesus Christ and crucified it. Now, pardon my ignorance, but this is the first I've heard of those two examples, I've never read that before in any Crowley book. Is this truth or fiction? And what are others opinions of this "Black Arts" book?


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hmm, I do believe he turned me into a camel by giving me the hump 😀 333


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I know the book very well indeed but find some of the info suspect. As far as I am aware Crowley DID turn Neuburg into a camel (or rather convinced victor that he had), he also painted him red and shaved his head save for two tufts at the front which he styled into horns and led him around on a chain like a pet devil. I am not sure if there is any validity to any of these stories but I have heard/read of them from multiple sources so not really sure how true it is but it wouldnt surprise me either way to be honest. I think Crowley probably had about as much fun and frivolity as was humanly possible in the early 1900's!! I often think I was born 100 years too late.


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And in another paragrapgh write that Crowley once baptised a toad as Jesus Christ and crucified it.

Crowley devised & performed this act - please correct if I'm wrong - as a form of initiation....to the grade of Magus, I believe. The text of this ritual - or something similar - is reproduced in the book 'OTO Rituals & Sex Magic' Reuss/Crowley


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"Starman" wrote:
I recently picked up a book called "The Dark Arts" by Richard Cavendish. According to my knowledge, this book was first published over forty years ago and is held in high regard by many occultists. So far I have come across parts in the books that are questionable, and one section is the Crowley chapter. For example, Cavendish writes that Crowley once turned Victor Nerburg into a Camel! And in another paragrapgh write that Crowley once baptised a toad as Jesus Christ and crucified it. Now, pardon my ignorance, but this is the first I've heard of those two examples, I've never read that before in any Crowley book. Is this truth or fiction? And what are others opinions of this "Black Arts" book?

See the Confessions for accounts of these adventures with Neuburg and the amphibian, and Liber LXX for more on the latter. I read "The Dark Arts" myself when it was first published, and I would recommend instead the many much better books on the subject matter now available.


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Dear Victor,
I rather cruelly find the camel episode funny, though, biographers would have it that, Crowley had
the personality of this type:- That He often pushed away the people who loved Him most; Bearing
in mind that Crowley's accounts differ from biographers; Victor, a poet, whom Crowley saw as just another Magickal partner, genuinely loved Him.
Well, they were performing a working in a desert, Crowley simply states firmly-" I told Him to stay
inside of the circle" Biographers, state that, this is true, One should stay within the cicle, or problems, e.g. 'voices' 'obsession ' etc.may occur. Crowley, however, was powerful to the extent of immunity to such phenomena, and was strolling around, outside of the circle. Although warned, Victor, for some reason, stepped outside of the circle. A demon, of a camel type in appearance and characteristic, possesed Victor, so the story goes. It is said that, for years afterward, Victor would wake, in the night, braying like a camel! So goes the tale. Victors heath steadily declined thereafter. That's the
summary of various accounts I've read.
The crucifixion of a Toad, is an abstruse matter I am not inclined to comment on. Reference can easily be found.


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"asturel13" wrote:
I know the book very well indeed but find some of the info suspect. As far as I am aware Crowley DID turn Neuburg into a camel (or rather convinced victor that he had), he also painted him red and shaved his head save for two tufts at the front which he styled into horns and led him around on a chain like a pet devil. I am not sure if there is any validity to any of these stories but I have heard/read of them from multiple sources so not really sure how true it is but it wouldnt surprise me either way to be honest. I think Crowley probably had about as much fun and frivolity as was humanly possible in the early 1900's!! I often think I was born 100 years too late.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

In my opinion this is not bad book at all. Concerning turning Neuburg into the camel ... well, camel = Priestess. Maybe one possible interpretation can be that Neuburg was passive partner during homosexual act between him and Crowley?

Love is the law, love under will.

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"Starman" wrote:
And what are others opinions of this "Black Arts" book?

When I first discovered Crowley, followed by the consequent immersion into books by and about him, I purchased this book by Cavendish. My copy is a 1980 e.v. paperback, which is called "The Black Arts", not "Dark". Anyway, this being one of the first books that I bought on the subject, at the time I got value out of it as an elementary treatise on the occult. If I remember right, his short biography of Crowley was factual. Overall I would say that I found it to be beneficial. I hope that is helpful.

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phthah: my apologies, indeed you are correct, it seems gremlins got the better of my typing, it was suppose to read "The Black Arts". And I have the same exact 1980 paperback edition too.

Frater_HPK : interesting take on the matter. In the book Cavendish tends to allude to a lot of this phenomena that a lot of these manifestations were "hallucinations" due to the fact preparation entitled, fasting, abstinence, strick regime, which made the mind more perceptive to hallucinations...


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It's a v. good introduction, and is intended as one.


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"Frater_HPK" wrote:
"asturel13" wrote:
I know the book very well indeed but find some of the info suspect. As far as I am aware Crowley DID turn Neuburg into a camel (or rather convinced victor that he had), he also painted him red and shaved his head save for two tufts at the front which he styled into horns and led him around on a chain like a pet devil. I am not sure if there is any validity to any of these stories but I have heard/read of them from multiple sources so not really sure how true it is but it wouldnt surprise me either way to be honest. I think Crowley probably had about as much fun and frivolity as was humanly possible in the early 1900's!! I often think I was born 100 years too late.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

In my opinion this is not bad book at all. Concerning turning Neuburg into the camel ... well, camel = Priestess. Maybe one possible interpretation can be that Neuburg was passive partner during homosexual act between him and Crowley?

Love is the law, love under will.

B.

either that or Crowley forced him to carry all of the gear through the desert! Nonetheless, the account of their workings are to be found in The Vision and The Voice.


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