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15/09/2008 7:01 pm  

http://www.fulgur.co.uk/authors/grant/articles/kenneth-grant-marriage-between-the-west-and-the-east/

is that a rare picture of Crowley smoking his pipe?


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ianrons
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15/09/2008 7:24 pm  

It's one of a collection of photos that are being wheeled out one by one in order to introduce puff-pieces for Grant. 😛


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15/09/2008 10:13 pm  

Not one I've seen online before: thanks for providing the link, paperroute50.

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 Anonymous
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16/09/2008 12:13 am  

I don not think we have a match... examine the distance from the eyes to crown of head.


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16/09/2008 12:16 am  

Hmmm...

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16/09/2008 2:03 am  

The story about Grant being awarded IX by Crowley seems also wrong. I wonder are there supporting documents?


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16/09/2008 2:26 am  
"ianrons" wrote:
The story about Grant being awarded IX by Crowley seems also wrong. I wonder are there supporting documents?

Not sure about "supporting documents", but Grant certainly claimed the IXth in a letter to Bill Heidrick dated 1 November 1985:

Re IX°: During my stay with Crowley (1944-5) I wrote, at his suggestion, various papers, one of which happened to be an essay on sexual magick. He was very impressed by it and admitted me to the IX° on the strength of it. In 1946, David Curwen (IX°), on Crowley's instructions, completed my initiation into IX°. A year after Crowley's death, Germer insisted on regularising the situation and issued me with a Pledge Form for IX°. This was countersigned by Gerald Yorke on 5th October, 1948.

And of course Germer described Grant as IXth degree in his 1951 letter authorising him to run a Camp in London:

On the strength of the power vested in me by BAPHOMET, the late O.H.O. of the ORDO TEMPLI ORIENTIS, I hereby grant Fra AOSSIC IX° O.T.O. (KENNETH GRANT) to constitute a camp of the above-named Order in the valley of London, England.

It seems unlikely, though, that any members of the Typhonian Order would consider these claims to be of any great significance these days...

All this talk of grades and degrees really does sound awfully quaint these days, like plumbers claiming Grand Mastery, heading off to find new contracts at Masonic meetings.

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16/09/2008 11:11 am  
"666TSAEB" wrote:
I don not think we have a match... examine the distance from the eyes to crown of head.

93

Might be the light. The head bears strong resemblance to the picture printed on "The Beast Demystified" cover. The pipe seems the same I've seen on other pictures of the Hastings days.

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16/09/2008 3:54 pm  
"lashtal" wrote:
It seems unlikely, though, that any members of the Typhonian Order would consider these claims to be of any great significance these days...

Well, that's certainly an interesting comment. I like the name "Typhonian Order" too -- it has a ring to it that I felt was lacking before.

"lashtal" wrote:
All this talk of grades and degrees really does sound awfully quaint these days, like plumbers claiming Grand Mastery, heading off to find new contracts at Masonic meetings.

Yes, I do at least agree with Crowley and Grant that a complete change in the structure of the Order is probably needed. More informal, but intensive, training can produce the same results it seems in much less time (3 years) than is normally required in OTO. However, it does take a *lot* of love from the Rev. D. Wayne. 😛


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16/09/2008 7:00 pm  
"paperroute50" wrote:

I found the article to be of more interest than the photo. I am well aware of the Typhonian history lection, but this brought a fresh encapsulation of it to me. In the mid-70s there was a group of Thelemites in Los Angeles engaged in a strikingly similar formula of sex magick, work with a more 'gynocentric emphasis' than was commonly the case. At any rate, they did not imagine themselves to be OTO, since they were not, but they did observe in passing that, if they were OTO, this work might be appropriate to a 'XIII* OTO,' if there was such, which there was not. Something about that numeration seemed appropriate. There does seem merit to this work, hence my conditional respect for Typhonian Thelema, but it is rather a shame to distract from it with tales of being OHO of OTO, UFOs and such.

Back to the topic, the photo! 🙂


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 Anonymous
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16/09/2008 8:39 pm  

it it means having more rare photos like this I hope thare are many more 'puff pieces' on Kenneth Grant.


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 Anonymous
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17/09/2008 10:14 am  

It's a nice picture, of Crowley relaxing in a pleasant and rather unusual context. Did Netherwood have a conservatory?


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 Anonymous
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17/09/2008 1:31 pm  

that's at Netherwood? I thought it was at William Seabrook's farm in Georgia.


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