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WildWitch
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01/02/2007 6:16 pm  

I know Crowley fathered several children with several women over the course of several years. Does anyone know what happened to Crowley's children?


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06/02/2007 12:35 am  

He is known what happened with most of its children, those Rose Kelly first Isis, Hecate, and later Lola Zasa died, the one of Leah Hirsig, Poupee, followed the same luck. Single Aleister Attaturk son of Deidre Mclellan followed with life, but it changed his full name by resentment, its sign after that is diffuse. You can obtain data on him in You Tube in the third part of documentary “the man but perverse of the world” that appears like “Masters of Darkness pt 3”, there is an interview to Deidre done in 1996.
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06/02/2007 8:34 am  

To my knowledge, Aleister Ataturk (Crowley's last living offspring) died in a car crash years ago.
Curiously, I was just listening to a Lon Milo Duquette interview on Coast to Coast AM where a rather frantic sounding caller claimed he'd been personally steamed in a hypnotic espresso machine attack by a supposed "blood relative" of Crowley's around the year of 1990 in California. Amusing stuff, but highly highly improbable. On the other hand, I can now explain my twisted enjoyment of Starbucks to myself.


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06/02/2007 9:32 am  

A friend of mine went to university and was friendly with a great-great-great (I'm not sure how many) grand daughter of AC's. She and her family still used the name Crowley. It was Leeds University during the 1980s. I'm afraid, I've no further information and to be honest the family may not wish their details to be given out too freely.


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18/04/2007 7:07 pm  

Lola died in 1990, if youre interested. She was Lola Hill by then as she married. She died in Reading.


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18/04/2007 8:07 pm  

Why is there little or no mention of these children beyond their deaths in Crowley's writing?


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02/07/2007 9:52 pm  

Why hasn't anyone done a complete study of his offspring? Such a thing would be a great book.


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02/07/2007 11:34 pm  
"Erica" wrote:
Why hasn't anyone done a complete study of his offspring?

They probably wanted their privacy.

If they were more public, They would have all the white witches of England trying to exorcise them. (someone with Crowley's blood has to be better PR than an old bed).

Reporters calling them for interviews every time there is some Satanist scare.

Crackpot occultists, or even just some heavy metal kids hounding them for who knows what reasons.

Conspiracy theorist picketing them to stop the NWO.

Really if I was Crowley's kid, I'd tell no one. 😉


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11/08/2007 12:10 pm  

I was gonna start another topic for this subject but i can't see the point. I too want to know more about crowley's children. I dare say he had many many offspring scattered about, and that he may have hated the commitment that children bring, but liked the idea of crowley offspring tomaybe carry on his legacy. However from reading this I realise a few didnt accept crowley as a father and rejected his legacy. And a good few had poor health and have died. the children I have come across are;

- Amado Crowley (nothing or very very little known about)
- Edward Crowley (seen a few articles on the net about him, apparently a son of crowley and convicted of murder)
- Isis (by Rose Kelly + deceased)
- Hecate (by Rose kelly + deceased)
- Lola Zasa (by Rose Kelly - changed her name but kept the name crowley - died 'Lola Hill')
- Poupee (by Leah Hirsig - had poor health and deceased)
- Aleister Attaturk (by Deirdre Mclellan - most information on him than any of the children - denounced his father and changed his name more than once and deceased)


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11/08/2007 12:34 pm  

I don't know what really was in Crowley's mind, but yeah, I suppose he wasn't really fond of living a safe family life. I'd think he liked the idea of having a child in any case, if only because it's such a major thing in life, universe, etc, but at the same time he didn't want to give up his commitment to manly explorations and adventures. I find some of his stunts quite irresponsible. He took Rose and their one year old child through a long trip through the wilderness of China, left them in India and later in Confessions blamed Rose that their child had died.


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11/08/2007 12:38 pm  
"ezrakudo" wrote:
Edward Crowley (seen a few articles on the net about him, apparently a son of crowley and convicted of murder)

There was no son called Edward that I am aware of. On the other hand there was someone a few years ago who changed his name to Edward Crowley; he went on to murder someone, for which he was convicted and imprisoned. He was not related to Crowley, and I am surprised that you suggest that he was.


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11/08/2007 10:29 pm  

there is no link of the surname to the Great Beast, it IS a pretty common name especially in Ireland and even some people in occultism like Vivianne Crowley are not related. As Mike Staley wrote, the murderer mentioned above changed his surname by deed poll. My book (see news feed on this site, or www.occultebooks.com for more info ) covers Amado and his many claims to heredity

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12/08/2007 1:34 pm  

The attendees of NOTOCON just watched Eric Fuller, AC's grandson, play Jazz with hymenaeus beta. Quite a treat.


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Azidonis
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12/08/2007 2:56 pm  

93,

I would much rather see a drama in which Mr. Fuiller pickpocketed H.B. for the O.T.O. rights and ran. 😛

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12/08/2007 3:21 pm  
"Azidonis" wrote:
I would much rather see a drama in which Mr. Fuiller pickpocketed H.B. for the O.T.O. rights and ran.

Er, thanks...I suspect you've missed the core of a very interesting tale so I'll ask the obvious questions in my next post...

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12/08/2007 3:23 pm  
"Schaard" wrote:
The attendees of NOTOCON just watched Eric Fuller, AC's grandson, play Jazz with hymenaeus beta. Quite a treat.

Fascinating! Please give us more details. What instrument did Eric play? In what way is he related to Crowley?

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Azidonis
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12/08/2007 3:58 pm  
"lashtal" wrote:
"Azidonis" wrote:
I would much rather see a drama in which Mr. Fuiller pickpocketed H.B. for the O.T.O. rights and ran.

Er, thanks...I suspect you've missed the core of a very interesting tale so I'll ask the obvious questions in my next post...

93,

Oh yes. My apologies. I'm not sure why, but well... okay, I'll leave my personal opinions out of this... okay maybe not. I just thought it was funny.

So is this the same Eric Fuller?
http://cdbaby.com/cd/visualcliff 2"> http://cdbaby.com/cd/visualcliff2

I really will, seriously try to refrain from such posts in the future. Again, sincerest apologies, Paul.

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14/08/2007 7:34 am  
"lashtal" wrote:
"Schaard" wrote:
The attendees of NOTOCON just watched Eric Fuller, AC's grandson, play Jazz with hymenaeus beta. Quite a treat.

Fascinating! Please give us more details. What instrument did Eric play? In what way is he related to Crowley?

It seems that Eric is the grandson of Crowley, through some woman at Cefalu. I know you guys aren't going to be happy with that explication, but I honestly didn't understand what was said on the mic. Look for the notocon post-event literature and I am sure you'll have all the details you need.

Eric Fuller was an extremely respectable individual. His jazz piano is absolutely spectacular. Also, as a person, and I did spend a bit of time with him, he's extremely personable with a horribly dark sense of humor (imagine that, eh?) Honestly, grandson of AC or not, his cd is most likely worth purchase. He hung out with us for a couple of days afterwards and we all had a blast.


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14/08/2007 10:27 pm  

Eric Muhler, son of Astarte Lulu Panthea (via Ninette Shumway and Aleister Crowley, see the dedication to Diary of a Drug Fiend)

Eric's website is http://www.ericmuhlerjazz.com/


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Azidonis
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15/08/2007 12:57 pm  

93,

One thing I've noticed (it's not so hard) about Crowley's children is the young untimely deaths. The idea arises then, that perhaps the drug use came into play with all of that. Any thoughts, fictional or factual?

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15/08/2007 7:38 pm  
"Azidonis" wrote:
One thing I've noticed (it's not so hard) about Crowley's children is the young untimely deaths. The idea arises then, that perhaps the drug use came into play with all of that. Any thoughts, fictional or factual?

I don't know how much this issue was a factor to his drug use. In any case, it's quite clear from The Fountain of Hyacinth ( http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib93.htm) that was quite deeply moved by the death of Poupée at the time he was struggling with his addiction.

"N.B. Part of my plan in coming here is to dig up the bitter memories which have been killing me. I was so happy and hopeful here two years ago; and now my little Poupe(ace)e has been dead over a year and her little brother never came to birth; and my manhood in part is crushed"

"The day had been one of anguish. Poupee peeped from every alley in the forest. I think of her now without the least tendency to emotion of any kind at all; it is even hard to remember that I ever regretted her for an instant."


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25/03/2008 2:30 pm  
"Azidonis" wrote:
93,

One thing I've noticed (it's not so hard) about Crowley's children is the young untimely deaths. The idea arises then, that perhaps the drug use came into play with all of that. Any thoughts, fictional or factual?

93 93/93

My thoughts are that the infant mortality rate was much higher then than it is now, and that even a simple cut could lead to septisimia or tetanus. People died much younger and faster in those days. There was no miracle-drug like penicillin back in Crowley's heyday. Viral infection from impure food or drinking water was much more common as well, of course. I'd reccomend the book The Good Old Days--They Were Terrible! by Dr. Otto L. Bettmann for a well-researched book on the subject.


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26/03/2008 4:39 pm  
"MichaelStaley" wrote:
"ezrakudo" wrote:
Edward Crowley (seen a few articles on the net about him, apparently a son of crowley and convicted of murder)

There was no son called Edward that I am aware of. On the other hand there was someone a few years ago who changed his name to Edward Crowley; he went on to murder someone, for which he was convicted and imprisoned. He was not related to Crowley, and I am surprised that you suggest that he was.


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20/04/2008 7:12 pm  

Just for the record:

Astarte Lulu Panthea was born in Cefalu 11/26/20 to Ninette Shumway and Aleister Crowley.
She was raised in the USA from 1931 by Ninette's older sister Helene Fraux.
She is alive and well at age 87. She has four children including Eric Muhler, the pianist who played at NOTOCON last year.
She remembers Crowley quite well, grew up around him and knew him in Paris between ages of 6-11 after leaving Cefalu. She doesn't like him or believe in his teachings.
I am Eric Muhler.
I consider myself an atheist Thelemite, but do not join organizations, read books of Magick, or "believe" in much of anything. I prefer spiritual practices to be self-determined, self-apparent, un-regulated, indeterminate, unwritten, unstudied, unprecedented, devoid of content, without ritual, silent, personal, and only to be shared on special request. Music is my personal path and passion. Anything anybody needs to know about anything can be gleaned from a life-long and close analysis (appreciation) of my music or just about anything else. Instrumental music can be a relatively simple approach line to the well-lived life. (Eternity)

Good luck and 93s to you all.

Sincerely,

Eric Muhler
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20/04/2008 9:35 pm  

Eric,

Welcome to LAShTAL.COM. It's a real pleasure to see you here - I'm glad you finally managed to triumph over our sometimes tricky registration process...

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22/04/2008 12:37 pm  

93

The temptation to ask Mr Muhler if he has any memories of meeting Uncle Amado is very strong, but I will simply say that having now read statements by both, I know which one I respect, and believe for that matter.

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22/04/2008 12:44 pm  

hopefully its not the absurd amado you believe............................


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22/04/2008 5:33 pm  

I have not met Uncle Amado. I have never met anybody named Amado. My original post began with seven factual statements. All are true and so you are safe in "believing" them.

YT (Yours truly) 93 Babee!

Eric


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22/04/2008 5:53 pm  

93 Eric,

"themuhler" wrote:
I have not met Uncle Amado. I have never met anybody named Amado. My original post began with seven factual statements. All are true and so you are safe in "believing" them.

YT (Yours truly) 93 Babee!

Eric

Welcome. It is very good to 'read you' here. 🙂

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22/04/2008 5:55 pm  

It is an honor to be among a descendent of the prophet and it is truly wonderful to learn that Astarte is still alive and well. I wish all the best to you, Mr.Muhler, thanks for stepping forward and may your musical career be all you want it to be.


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22/04/2008 6:44 pm  
"Aleisterion" wrote:
It is an honor to be among a descendent of the prophet and it is truly wonderful to learn that Astarte is still alive and well. I wish all the best to you, Mr.Muhler, thanks for stepping forward and may your musical career be all you want it to be.

Well thanks, I guess! "Honor"? "Prophet"? Yeehaw! I know that many people take religion and Magick seriously, but my family's perspective on Crowley, based on Lulu's 11 years around him, is that... Oh well, why go there. Suffice it to say, that Lulu is alive and well because she got as far as possible from the Prophet, a distance enhanced by Crowley's death in '47, a day of minor celebration for Lulu.

Music is my path to the infinite and eternal. It is my Will. It's my interpretation of the meaning of Magick. It has and continues to require a lifetime of intense practice and has a ritual element in that practice. I consider it a success when people give indication (applause - CD sales) that they have connected to the infinite and eternal through my medium. My earliest memories are of intense connection through the hearing of many types of music in my family home. That has only grown over a half-century of ecstatic involvement.

The most Thelemic Project of my life, however, has been the 19 year project of raising two daughters. Of course, I did a much better job of this than the Prophet did. It would be pretty much impossible to be much worse. The first step to a lifetime steeped in Reality, Infinity, and the Eternal is to eschew all religions, "sacred" traditions, and especially Magick! Only then is there an open door to observance and recoginition of Infinity and Eternity.

As a child I was perverted by Presbyterianism and at age eighteen, Magick. It has taken me the ensuing forty years to get rid of both (and all the other crap I was exposed to) and get to the clean state I raised my daughters in. They have a huge head start.

To all of you involved in the Thelemic pursuit, I would urge you all to imagine what the final degree of initiation might involve, and just go ahead and jump!

YT 93 and Ecstasee Babee!

Eric


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22/04/2008 7:10 pm  

"As a child I was perverted by Presbyterianism and at age eighteen, Magick."

Isn't real magick simply the genius that man can achieve in art, music, and literature? For me, this is the definition of real magick, the production of value that is in excess of the ordinary.

At any rate I too share your antipathy for the prophet's personal shortcomings. It by no means detracts from my appreciation for that which inspired and motivated him. And my own personal celebration of that creative force in all of us takes artful forms. My religion is a life well-lived, a happy life and one that produces and relishes beauty.


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22/04/2008 7:39 pm  
"Aleisterion" wrote:
"As a child I was perverted by Presbyterianism and at age eighteen, Magick."

Isn't real magick simply the genius that man can achieve in art, music, and literature? For me, this is the definition of real magick, the production of value that is in excess of the ordinary.

At any rate I too share your antipathy for the prophet's personal shortcomings. It by no means detracts from my appreciation for that which inspired and motivated him. And my own personal celebration of that creative force in all of us takes artful forms. My religion is a life well-lived, a happy life and one that produces and relishes beauty.

Sounds like you made it, then. Welcome!

I have always felt that heroin, severely muddied and muddled what "inspired and motivated" the Prophet. And, yes, "real magick (is) simply the genius that man can achieve in art, music, and literature" As an artist I have always found Crowley to be a lesser poet, writer, and painter than a thousand others I find a much more direct path to Infinity and Eternity.

For me, Crowley found two profound truths.

1. Sex Is Good and
2. Humanity is Ready to Know and Do Their True Will.

Neither one of these is new or truly revolutionary as many many of the most common and ordinary people have known and practiced these truths since forever. However, to the extent that many more people have been blindered, limited, constrained, conscripted, ruined, killed, murdered, bored to death, and or any of the other tortures of "spirituality" and "religion," his message could be seen as a liberation of sorts. For many of us, this is merely a footnote on the path which we naturally fell into. And the ultimate irony, is that Crowley felt it necessary to write all these hooka ma jooka books about all this religious and spiritual crap and start yet another "religion" and write a bunch of boring, meaningless, rituals and practices, etc.! When I say I dislike Magick I'm talking about all those unreadable books about spells, incantations, IAO ranting, demons, skrying (SP?) and all that hooka ma jooka. You just wrote a beautiful succinct and clear definition of Magick that is far better than all that baloney Crowley and his followers put down to cloud the issue. Yick! Give me art and science any day! Oh yeah, and money! I love art, science, and MONEY!

Of course, if Crowley's scribblings, rituals, and practices have meaning for "you", (anybody) I don't intend to be insulting. More power to you! Forward ye Catholic Soldiers of Crowley!

YT 93 and Ecstasee Babee!

Eric


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22/04/2008 9:27 pm  

93 Eric,

That Crowley did not make sufficient personal investment in his own children to have earned much of a return from them or their descendants should come as no surprise to anyone familiar with his life.

In any event, you are to be commended for doing your True Will, which is all that need be asked of anyone.

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23/04/2008 4:26 pm  

yep, I should`ve added the sether666 quote to clarify where my original comment was aimed, .............anyway...Eric is legit, the real McCoy.


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23/04/2008 6:31 pm  

Eric Muhler wrote: "Neither one of these is new or truly revolutionary as many many of the most common and ordinary people have known and practiced these truths since forever. However, to the extent that many more people have been blindered, limited, constrained, conscripted, ruined, killed, murdered, bored to death, and or any of the other tortures of "spirituality" and "religion," his message could be seen as a liberation of sorts. For many of us, this is merely a footnote on the path which we naturally fell into. And the ultimate irony, is that Crowley felt it necessary to write all these hooka ma jooka books about all this religious and spiritual crap and start yet another "religion" and write a bunch of boring, meaningless, rituals and practices, etc.! When I say I dislike Magick I'm talking about all those unreadable books about spells, incantations, IAO ranting, demons, skrying (SP?) and all that hooka ma jooka. You just wrote a beautiful succinct and clear definition of Magick that is far better than all that baloney Crowley and his followers put down to cloud the issue. Yick! Give me art and science any day! Oh yeah, and money! I love art, science, and MONEY!"

Thanks for the compliment! Unfortunately Crowley had one foot in the Old Aeon and that left him with considerable superstition and archaic notions, but he occasionally had a wonderful way with words (I love the Holy Books). As for money, absolutely (and Crowley thought so too, though his magical rites to get it never worked - short term anyway, today his scribblings attract tons of it!). Without money, it can be damned hard to appreciate anything...I learned that the hard way, when I was homeless years back.

Eric: "Of course, if Crowley's scribblings, rituals, and practices have meaning for "you", (anybody) I don't intend to be insulting. More power to you! Forward ye Catholic Soldiers of Crowley!"

You're not insulting at all. There was a lot of show to Crowley. He was an entertainer, and a pretty good one. He'd make a fortune today in the age of television. But there was in my estimation a genuinely extraordinary intelligence that guided him and some of those around him. I think he paid it little enough attention and let down alot of those people. Anyway I don't worship Crowley, though I do worship the beautiful universe that inspired him so. And myself!! Self-fulfillment is everything.


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"Aleisterion" wrote:
Eric: "Of course, if Crowley's scribblings, rituals, and practices have meaning for "you", (anybody) I don't intend to be insulting. More power to you! Forward ye Catholic Soldiers of Crowley!"

You're not insulting at all. There was a lot of show to Crowley. He was an entertainer, and a pretty good one. He'd make a fortune today in the age of television. But there was in my estimation a genuinely extraordinary intelligence that guided him and some of those around him. I think he paid it little enough attention and let down alot of those people. Anyway I don't worship Crowley, though I do worship the beautiful universe that inspired him so. And myself!! Self-fulfillment is everything.

Yes, EVERYTHING!

YT 93 & Ecstasee Babee!

Eric


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23/04/2008 7:44 pm  

Hi Eric,

"themuhler" wrote:
I prefer spiritual practices to be self-determined, self-apparent, un-regulated, indeterminate, unwritten, unstudied, unprecedented, devoid of content, without ritual, silent, personal, and only to be shared on special request.

How refreshing! Might this just be the most original and Thelemic thinking ever uttered in this forum? 😀

And that phrase 'Hooka ma jooka' is fabulous... hope you will do a CD with that title!!

bazelek


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23/04/2008 7:49 pm  
"bazelek" wrote:
Hi Eric,

"themuhler" wrote:
I prefer spiritual practices to be self-determined, self-apparent, un-regulated, indeterminate, unwritten, unstudied, unprecedented, devoid of content, without ritual, silent, personal, and only to be shared on special request.

How refreshing! Might this just be the most original and Thelemic thinking ever uttered in this forum? 😀

And that phrase 'Hooka ma jooka' is fabulous... hope you will do a CD with that title!!

bazelek

Well, of course, I'd like to think so, but I'm capable of self-doubt. (You know, when the Hooka ma Jooka strikes a clandestine blow and clouds the normal clarity. 🙂

YT 93 & Ecstass Babee!

Eric


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23/04/2008 7:50 pm  
"bazelek" wrote:
Hi Eric,

"themuhler" wrote:
I prefer spiritual practices to be self-determined, self-apparent, un-regulated, indeterminate, unwritten, unstudied, unprecedented, devoid of content, without ritual, silent, personal, and only to be shared on special request.

How refreshing! Might this just be the most original and Thelemic thinking ever uttered in this forum? 😀

And that phrase 'Hooka ma jooka' is fabulous... hope you will do a CD with that title!!

bazelek

Well, of course, I'd like to think so, but I'm capable of self-doubt. (You know, when the Hooka ma Jooka strikes a clandestine blow and clouds the normal clarity. 🙂

YT 93 & Ecstasee Babee!

Eric


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23/04/2008 9:28 pm  

Quite right, Aleisterion!

I've several Brothers who met Mr. Muhler at NOTOCON, and all speak very highly of him.

Welcome, Mr. Muhler! Glad to see you among the participants here!


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23/04/2008 10:29 pm  

Thanks! By the way, you can call me Eric. I've noticed that nobody on this lashtal thing seems to use their names. Is there a reason for that? It's sort of discombobulating to be talking to people and one has no concept of who one is talking to. I'm very new to this web site chatting thing or blogging or whatever people call it. Is one supposed to be anonymous?


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23/04/2008 10:55 pm  

Hey we could start a thread on "Why did you choose your screen name?" or "What does it mean" I for one would be interested in hearing the rationale by many of these names.


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23/04/2008 11:14 pm  

93, Eric!

Welcome to this site and thanks for the link to your site. I love the piano, I love your music. Hopefully you some day play it here in Germany...

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23/04/2008 11:30 pm  
"themuhler" wrote:
Thanks! By the way, you can call me Eric. I've noticed that nobody on this lashtal thing seems to use their names. Is there a reason for that? It's sort of discombobulating to be talking to people and one has no concept of who one is talking to. I'm very new to this web site chatting thing or blogging or whatever people call it. Is one supposed to be anonymous?

We are following in the footsteps of the great master, who had more names and identities than pairs of socks... 😀

In truth, aside from a few eternal mysteries, those who post here regularly know the identity of most contributors...

Anyway, hope you stick around!

Robert (Ansell) 😉


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24/04/2008 3:01 pm  
"themuhler" wrote:
Thanks! By the way, you can call me Eric. I've noticed that nobody on this lashtal thing seems to use their names. Is there a reason for that? It's sort of discombobulating to be talking to people and one has no concept of who one is talking to. I'm very new to this web site chatting thing or blogging or whatever people call it. Is one supposed to be anonymous?

Thanks Eric! Some people prefer their anonymity. I have a professional career and demeanor that requires me to separate my magickal and religious activities with my job to a certain degree. I refer to my "Lodge" and my "Fraternity" and my "Ministerial duties" at work, but they don't have a clue what hides behind those phrases, and that's the way I like it.

Actually, I'm quite well known as Walter Five throughout the Pagan and Magickal Communities of Texas and New England, and have been for 20 years, and (in all humility) the subject of many a tall tale and several (often comical) bardic songs. My birth name *is* Walter, the "five" part came when there was an abundance of Walters in Boston's Earthspirit community in 1988, Walter the cook, Walter the lifeguard, Big Walter and his son, and I. 😉


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24/04/2008 5:14 pm  
"themuhler" wrote:
I've noticed that nobody on this lashtal thing seems to use their names. Is there a reason for that?

From my perspective, the reasoning is that who is speaking is not as important as what is being spoken (or posted in this situation).

Except, perhaps, in situations like this, where the conversation centers around a particular person (you).

I could reveil my name for you, but I do not think that would add anything to the conversation. A rose is but a rose and all that.


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24/04/2008 7:26 pm  
"Uni_Verse" wrote:
"themuhler" wrote:
I've noticed that nobody on this lashtal thing seems to use their names. Is there a reason for that?

From my perspective, the reasoning is that who is speaking is not as important as what is being spoken (or posted in this situation).

Except, perhaps, in situations like this, where the conversation centers around a particular person (you).

I could reveil my name for you, but I do not think that would add anything to the conversation. A rose is but a rose and all that.

Then why have any ID at all? Especially when others report that they all know each other by these funny pseudonyms anyhow? I understand the guy who doesn't want people from the "professional world" to know he has anything to do with this stuff, of course. I don't have a professional world so it doesn't matter. I too have many nicknames, pseudonymns, and many, many many pairs of socks. Herewith:

John (Birth name)
Eric (Birth name and common identifier)
Mule (Stubborn as a)
Ricky Mule-ears (Children's taunt based in mispronouncing my last name, which, by the way, is pronounced M-uh-ler, NOT Mule-er)
Mule-ears (In music: "How does he hear that shit?" "Ears as big as a Mule!"
El Mule-o (Much Hispanic influence here in California)
Pappy (Children)
R Jak (Jack nickname for John, R for Ricky)
Chinese eyes (Neighbor child's reference to my almost constant smile)
Jak (See above, common variant)
Ricky (childhood family name)
Rick (Pubescent stab at dignity)
Riki-Jak (Full reversal of nicknames for John Eric)
Riki-Jak Jonxon (Threw in a last name - Pronounced like Johnson)
RJ Hammerfingers (Loud piano passages)
The Mule (Official title of World's Stubbornest Man)
Mule-inari (Italianate for the World's Stubbornest Man)
Mule-oski (Russian for the World's Stubbornest Man)
Shangledorf (To Shangle: Invoking Shango to work the angles - the name refers to the Master Shangler)
Von Mule-endorf (German for the World's Stubbornest Man)
BeastBoy (Obvious)
Brainzola (My mother thinks I'm smart)
Prince (Recently assigned at NOTOCON)
Many more...

However a lot of strangers seem to call me Fucking Asshole! a lot. It usually comes out something like "Hey, you, Fucking Asshole!" They are usually glaring right at me so I'm pretty sure that's the name they're assigning me.

Enjoying this blogging or whatever it is.

YT 93 Love & Ecstasee, Babee!

Eric

Warning in reference to a comment above: ALL MY conversations center around a certain person (me) While I remain firmly lodged in Eternity, I am also firmly lodged in the nexus of my conscious awareness, a thing that will disappear when my body ceases functioning, so all references stemming from this organism are necessarily, by definition, "All About Me." The nature of "me", of course, is a subject for vast discussion and can be better understood by reading some of the works of Daniel Dennett.


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25/04/2008 4:28 pm  
"themuhler" wrote:
Then why have any ID at all?

You are going to have to direct that question to the moderator.

"themuhler" wrote:
Warning in reference to a comment above: ALL MY conversations center around a certain person (me) While I remain firmly lodged in Eternity, I am also firmly lodged in the nexus of my conscious awareness, a thing that will disappear when my body ceases functioning, so all references stemming from this organism are necessarily, by definition, "All About Me." The nature of "me", of course, is a subject for vast discussion and can be better understood by reading some of the works of Daniel Dennett.

I would say, it is more your awareness of the conversation that centers around you, as opposed to the actual conversation.

You say tomato, I say "No thanks, I do not like ketchup."


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25/04/2008 4:43 pm  

I would say, it is more your awareness of the conversation that centers around you, as opposed to the actual conversation.

Of course, conversations can "center" around any possible subject, but the unique nature of every individual's "awareness" (nexus of life's inputs((and much more, of course))) will turn that conversation into an "all about me" interpretation, reflection, etc. of the discussion. Everything one brings to the conversation is "all about me" in the end. Which tells you a lot about "me"! A lot, but not a trillionth...


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