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ignant666
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

What do you think "a smug" means/is?

FYI, as you are obviously a non-native speaker of English, there is no such thing as being "a  smug", "smug" is an adjective, meaning

AC didn't drink beer? I said something critical about this? A truly baffling post.


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Serpent 252
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@ignant666

 

You know I cannot follow your huge knowledge of the language, even if the English was my first language.

 

In The Sage, English dictionary & thesaurus (free version) it says:

"smug

Adjective - smug, smugger, smuggest

1. Marked by excessive complacency or self-satisfaction."

 

Urban Dictionary says:

"The name given to someone when they consistently and without compromise look down on others with contempt using a wry smile or grin oozing superiotity. This attitude is often preceded with a sense of self entitlement and/or a daddy complex. There is generally a bit of "me me me" about this person."

 

You've started the tread about AC and beer a 2-3 years ago. I will find it if you want, but not now, have to go to work, a night shift (or, as you in English say, a grave shift).

Ah, and also happy Tangin to you, you cunning cat.

 

 


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Sanguine Chuck
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Posted by: @serpent252

I need your help.

Say no more my good lad, help is on the way!

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Please, tell me is there any truth in the South Park's presentation (apart from the academic and/or artistic freedom, of course.) My brother (a son of my late aunt) lives in SF, but he has no time and/or will to talk with his family, so I can't ask him, and, believe it or don't, I've noticed, (over the years, when we've met a few times), he has become a very smug person.

Well I am flattered that you find me somehow uniquely qualified to address this.

And I suppose there could be some truth to it, and some falsity, and...well who knows really? There could be some underlying truth that only the smug could perceive and hold to be their own.

I will say San Francisco is not what it used to be, no sir.

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I don't consider Robert Anton Wilson and/or Timothy Leary a smug. And the list goes on...

 

I suppose smug is all a matter of perspective, after all has been said.

Was that helpful at all? I hope I have not let you down!

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson


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Serpent 252
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@sangewanchuck56

Thank you very much. Your answers have been very helpful to me, & you haven't let me down. Your point of view is very refreshing & somehow very joyful.

I've asked you because you live in SF, simple as that. I've really been confused after watching that episode of the South Park; it has been both funny and distasteful, but most of their works are like that.

Yes, I suppose we can say something like "Anything is a matter of perspective." I'm training my mind last few months to add "sort of" after any & every statement. Thus, I'd say: "Anything is a matter of perspective, sort of."

Or, e.g., "I've been late to my work, sort of. The boss would be apprehensive, sort of." (Usually I don't speak my mind to anyone, sort of.)

You have really brought Lashtal to life again. Last few months, before you've arrived, it's been Two Man and a Half show. So thank you again, & all the best to you, & happy the Vernal Equinox.

 


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ignant666
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Posted by: @serpent252

the English was my first language.

If you were indeed a native speaker of English, or a fluent foreign speaker of English, you would surely know that most of your post about various folks being "smugs" is pure gibberish. As both you and i have now noted, "smug" is an adjective, not a noun- thus a person can be "smug", but they cannot be "a smug".

Also, it is impossible for me to imagine that an actual native English speaker would say "the English was my first language."  And there is no such thing as "a grave shift"; you are thinking of the expression "a grave-yard shift".

Yes, i did ask a few years ago if AC drank beer; so what?

You clearly are upset with several of us here, but you are unable to express this clearly, so i continue to be baffled about what you are upset about.


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If AC's work would've been properly adopted we would be much better off as a species. So, going forward, remembering him with reverence is a good thing.


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Posted by: @ignant666

i did ask a few years ago if AC drank beer; so what?

I believe he chided a young Kenneth Grant away from beer and cigs in favor of some pipe tobacco and cognac? I'll need to check KG's Remembering Aleister Crowley for the exact quote. I believe Crowley told Grant to give up the cigs for a pipe...it would make him feel like a "real Man." 


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Posted by: @christibrany

So this was an off the cuff idea. Most of my topics don't go anywhere (see, Physics and Thelema - too vague perhaps?)

 

At any rate,

 

I have been ruminating on and off, with much cud, about how Crowley was an earth shaker, deal breaker, woman taker and all around counter-culture man, in his day.

 

Then I got to think about what has changed since circa 1900 to 1940 and what has stayed the same?

What has changed in 'counter culture' and what is accepted now? 

 

This was a dialogue that was had in the '60's I am sure. And now I thinking about the naughty 20's. 

It's not the swinging Twenties, maybe it should be the shitting Twenties due to all this government overreach.

 

At any rate, do you think that anything Crowley had done or advocated for in his life is still 'counter-culture' or do you think it has pretty much all been adopted?

 

Furthermore, what things do you see in modern life that Crowley was a pioneer to advocate? 

 

Chris 

 

What's the difference between 'culture' and 'counter culture'?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Sanguine Chuck
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Posted by: @dom

What's the difference between 'culture' and 'counter culture'?

the counter culture is the "underground" culture, or the minority view that is usually suppressed by the more orthodox view, culturally speaking.

Culture = mainstream

counter culture = various subreddits 🙂

From a historical occult perspective, ideas are "seeded" into the underground of a culture first, instigating a historical dialectic that begins to play out in the mainstream culture within a generation or, in 2021, within an election cycle.

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson


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David Dom Lemieux
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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

 

the counter culture is the "underground" culture, or the minority view that is usually suppressed by the more orthodox view, culturally speaking.

Culture = mainstream

counter culture = various subreddits 🙂

From a historical occult perspective, ideas are "seeded" into the underground of a culture first, instigating a historical dialectic that begins to play out in the mainstream culture within a generation or, in 2021, within an election cycle.

In Pharaonic Egypt?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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ignant666
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@sangewanchuck56 - Let me explain as you are a new guy we all like: You will have to get used to the habit of Comrade david, now known to men as dom, where he likes to play the dumb guy who does not understand common words and concepts.

david is a huge fan of Dr Tim and RAW, and knows perfectly well what is meant by the terms "culture" and "counterculture".

We know this because he is a huge fan of Dr Tim and RAW; both speak of "counterculture" and use that exact term quite often. It is just his way to do this stuff.


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Sanguine Chuck
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Posted by: @dom

In Pharaonic Egypt?

Was their a Pharaonic culture in Egypt? Check

Was their a minority view, suppressed by the Pharaonic culture? Check

Posted by: @ignant666

- Let me explain as you are a new guy we all like:

🤩

Posted by: @ignant666

We know this because he is a huge fan of Dr Tim and RAW; both speak of "counterculture" and use that exact term quite often. It is just his way to do this stuff.

I assume we are all here just to put on a show for everyone arriving from Google doing internet searches on the topics we are discussing, no? hehe

And to that audience I might add: I am not really a magician, just an actor playing the role of a real magician.

(I've always wanted to use that line.)

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson


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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56
Posted by: @dom

In Pharaonic Egypt?

Was their a Pharaonic culture in Egypt? Check

Was their a minority view, suppressed by the Pharaonic culture? Check

Wasn't the Pharoah the crux of the entire culture including the amazing monuments constructed?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Shiva
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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

And to that audience I might add: I am not really a magician, just an actor playing the role of a real magician.

In (western) Oriental Medicine, we have a similar saying: "We are just young westerners, pretending that we are ancient Chinese physicians."

 


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Sanguine Chuck
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Wasn't the Pharoah the crux of the entire culture including the amazing monuments constructed?

 

@dom you ever hear about the Jewish people?

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson


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Posted by: @serpent252

The authors of the South Park also called these people "a smug people."

If anyone introduces themselves to you as "born and raised in San Francisco" just walk away. It's a provincial way of saying "I have nothing going on in my life but I am better than you."

In Prophetes Veritas Venit. Quod ambulas cum Thelema et Agape est semper fidelis pietas.


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