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stanforda
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19/03/2007 10:58 pm  

Reading the post below on Crowley's O.H.O ring, made me think of what became of his pipes.

Does anyone know if they turned up at the Sotheby's auction?
If I could chose any piece owned by Crowley; it would definitely be a pipe, being a pipe smoker myself, I'm wondering what happened to his collection.

The ones he's photographed with look to be Peterson, some early Dunhill pieces too.


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19/03/2007 11:41 pm  

Unfortunately, I don't know what happened to his pipes.

It sounds as if you'd be ideally placed to know if either of the following are available:

http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/Article145.phtml
http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/Article145.phtml

Thanks for your post - it's details like this that intrigue those of us that are enthusiastic students of Crowley's biography. There are several mentions of Dunhill and Latakia in some of his later diaries, no to menion an unsuccessful attempt to give up his beloved tobacco in July 1946.

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20/03/2007 12:17 am  

That tobacco was discontinued, but is now produced as Haddo's Delight.
Not quite sure what Crowley would have made of 'that' particular name being chosen.


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20/03/2007 11:34 am  
"stanforda" wrote:
That tobacco was discontinued, but is now produced as Haddo's Delight.
Not quite sure what Crowley would have made of 'that' particular name being chosen.

I hate you. Now there is something else I have to spend my money on. 😀 Thanks for the info stanforda!


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22/03/2007 3:40 am  

Haddo's Delight is a very diffrent blend than Aleister although Mr. Pease was the blender of both.


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belmurru
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22/03/2007 11:50 am  
"lashtal" wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't know what happened to his pipes.

It sounds as if you'd be ideally placed to know if either of the following are available:

http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/Article145.phtml
http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/Article145.phtml

Thanks for your post - it's details like this that intrigue those of us that are enthusiastic students of Crowley's biography. There are several mentions of Dunhill and Latakia in some of his later diaries, no to menion an unsuccessful attempt to give up his beloved tobacco in July 1946.

Thanks for that link to the description. I used to get blended tobaccos like this (in Canada, the US and UK), but in France it is not allowed to be sold that way - it has to be pre-packaged.

In Louisiana in 1996, I happened to go up to St. James Parrish where the Perique was grown. Somebody told me that the crop was going to be discontinued, but I still find tobaccos with Perique in them so I have to imagine they are still cultivating it.

When long ago I read the caption to a Crowley picture (I think it was Symonds or Grant's caption to a picture in the Confessions) that it was "Crowley smoking his favorite mixture, Perique soaked in Rum", naturally I had to try it.

Have you ever tried smoking straight Perique??? Then I soaked it in Rum, dried it until smokable, and did that.

Both wrong - the caption was very misleading for a novice. That blend of M. Pease on the other hand sounds very pleasant.


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02/11/2007 1:05 am  

French man, you are one brave soul!

All of us have read the stories about Crowley smoking straight Perique soaked in rum. So did I. In the early 90ies I read up on Perique, but no tobacconist seemed to carry it. One day I was in New Orleans and visited a tobacco store with an incredible selection of bulk tobacco. I had a nice chat with the owner, an older guy with a terrible Louisiana accent, and asked him about Perique, knowing it was cultivated close by. He pulled down a big jar from a shelf and opened it. Inside was a dark mass with an even darker smell. "That's it, that's Perique, son." I was delighted and purchased two ounces.

"Hold on, son", the old guy replied. "This is a spice tobacco, you can't smoke it straight." I chuckled, telling the ignorant that I actually knew someone who always smoked it straight, soaked in rum. What a dummy!

The old man shook his head. "Do not smoke this in a pipe that you don't mind throwing away. It will stay in there forever", he said, and handed me a 5-dollar "Missouri Meerschaum". That's what we call the cheap corn cob pipes. I payed for the tobacco and the pipe, and was on my way out.

I started smoking pipe in `87 in Cairo. It helped me to break the nasty habit of cigarette smoking. First I tried the "Shisha", the domestic water-pipe, filled with "Dukhan", a mixture of palm fibers soaked in some sort of molasses. A pack costed 25 piasters back then, less then 15 cents. Smoking water pipe is not that bad, the water takes out a lot of unhealthy components in the smoke. One day I purchased a Charatan, and enjoyed smoking it on the veranda of the Mena House. Back then I lived in Giza, close to a place called "Cookie Park", which was a little theme park for children. Not the best suburb, but it suited my budget. In my wilder days I used to do snuff, which has the ability to release a considerable amount of nicotine, so I was no novice when I approached Perique. The closest I've ever come to Perique was Dunhill Night Cap, a Perique-flavored English blend my girlfriend used to call "night crap".

I left New Orleans, heading east on Interstate 10. I-10 is the highway running from San Diego, California to Jacksonville, Florida. It is a long road, very long. Even if you start out close to the end, in New Orleans, and head to Jacksonville, it is still a long haul. I listened to the same old songs on the radio, trying to find a station that didn't play country, and putted along. We are talking Alabama, baby, hillbilly land! Good luck finding a station that plays something other than Yi-Ha or Skynard.

Eventually I got really bored and did something silly. Why not pull over at a rest area and try a bowl of Perique? I thought by myself, and that's what I did. I was never a friend of cased tobaccos, so I thought i'd cut the rum out, and filled the corn cob all the way with virgin Perique.

The distinctive aroma comes out as soon as the flame hits the tobacco, and most likely stays super-strong to the end of the bowl, if someone is able to smoke it all the way to the bottom. I was far from finishing it. Shortly after starting the bowl, I broke out in a cold sweat and had to lay down both, the pipe and myself. My tongue was burning like fire, and I was getting ready to hurl.
Good old Aleister, what kind of weed were you smoking? This was awful! It took me about 45 minutes to get myself back together. Pale as a ghost I snuck back on the interstate, still fighting nausea.

Most pipe tobaccos leave a marvelous room aroma which brings compliments from all but the most fascist non-smokers. Not so Perique. Even though taste is very subjective, the tobacco is known to be responsible for leaving a terrible stench in cars and dwellings, that puts paint thinner to the test. Caveat! It is true. Once you smoke this in your pipe, it will never let go.

Straight Perique has a clear, one dimensional taste, an honest aroma with the perfect clarity of a Gregorian chant. Tabasco sauce came to my mind. It also burns the smoker's tongue like tabasco sauce. I have no clue how Crowley did it, the stuff is punishing. Either I am a wimp or I did something wrong. It packs an incredible punch, which will knock out any but the most veteran nicotine addicts.


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02/11/2007 4:52 am  

93
Very nice Perique blend rolling tobacco may be had from
http://cigarettetobacco.com/perique.htm
I believe they own some of the only remaining Perique farms.
American Spirit also has Perique Blend packaged cigarettes.
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belmurru
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02/11/2007 7:30 am  

Hi fraseth,

Thanks, your story is a hoot! Believe me, I had similar experiences with the pipe, back when I started.

"fraseth" wrote:
French man, you are one brave soul!

All of us have read the stories about Crowley smoking straight Perique soaked in rum. So did I. In the early 90ies I read up on Perique, but no tobacconist seemed to carry it. One day I was in New Orleans and visited a tobacco store with an incredible selection of bulk tobacco. I had a nice chat with the owner, an older guy with a terrible Louisiana accent, and asked him about Perique, knowing it was cultivated close by. He pulled down a big jar from a shelf and opened it. Inside was a dark mass with an even darker smell. "That's it, that's Perique, son." I was delighted and purchased two ounces.

"Hold on, son", the old guy replied. "This is a spice tobacco, you can't smoke it straight." I chuckled, telling the ignorant that I actually knew someone who always smoked it straight, soaked in rum. What a dummy!

The old man shook his head. "Do not smoke this in a pipe that you don't mind throwing away. It will stay in there forever", he said, and handed me a 5-dollar "Missouri Meerschaum". That's what we call the cheap corn cob pipes. I payed for the tobacco and the pipe, and was on my way out.

I wonder if this the same shop I went to in '93 and '96. Just off Bourbon Street (like, the next street over). The "old guy" therein taught me to pack my pipe with a twist - quite the revelation!

I started smoking pipe in `87 in Cairo. It helped me to break the nasty habit of cigarette smoking. First I tried the "Shisha", the domestic water-pipe, filled with "Dukhan", a mixture of palm fibers soaked in some sort of molasses. A pack costed 25 piasters back then, less then 15 cents. Smoking water pipe is not that bad, the water takes out a lot of unhealthy components in the smoke. One day I purchased a Charatan, and enjoyed smoking it on the veranda of the Mena House. Back then I lived in Giza, close to a place called "Cookie Park", which was a little theme park for children. Not the best suburb, but it suited my budget.

Shisha is good, and pretty popular with people of North African extraction here in France. I have a pipe but can't be bothered to smoke it alone. Although the taste and scent is delightful, it along with all other forms of smokable tobacco are going to be banned from enclosed public spaces on 1 February 2008.

In my wilder days I used to do snuff, which has the ability to release a considerable amount of nicotine, so I was no novice when I approached Perique. The closest I've ever come to Perique was Dunhill Night Cap, a Perique-flavored English blend my girlfriend used to call "night crap".

LOL. My wife calls it "the bad tobacco." There was a shop in Calgary that had a blend called "nagging wife", which was one of the English types. The "English Blends" and "Balkans" (because they use "oriental" tobaccos) are only for true tobacco lovers. They use Latakia, which is the only competitor for Perique in the stink department (Latakia is black, because fermented and cured with smoke, while Perique is blue-grey, and dried only in the air).

Most pipe tobaccos leave a marvelous room aroma which brings compliments from all but the most fascist non-smokers.

Absolutely! I had a run-in with one of these "fascists" recently at a restaurant in Rimini. Naturally, I was smoking at an outside table, but the wind occasionally brought a draft of the smoke into the restaurant through an open door.

After a few minutes of minding our own business, out comes the waiter who says that there is a pregnant woman inside the restaurant and she has smelled the tobacco, and I have to move further away or just stop smoking.

Not so Perique. Even though taste is very subjective, the tobacco is known to be responsible for leaving a terrible stench in cars and dwellings, that puts paint thinner to the test. Caveat! It is true. Once you smoke this in your pipe, it will never let go.

Not quite "never." Within a year, you won't know you tried the stupid test.

Straight Perique has a clear, one dimensional taste, an honest aroma with the perfect clarity of a Gregorian chant. Tabasco sauce came to my mind. It also burns the smoker's tongue like tabasco sauce. I have no clue how Crowley did it, the stuff is punishing. Either I am a wimp or I did something wrong. It packs an incredible punch, which will knock out any but the most veteran nicotine addicts.

What poetry! I think the solution to the puzzle of "how Crowley did it" is simple - Symonds is lying, exaggerating, or misunderstood. Crowley may have loved a blend with lots of Perique (like, say, 1 per cent) and a Rum flavour, but there's no way he could have regularly smoked 100% Perique, soaked in Rum or not.

Bel Murru


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belmurru
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02/11/2007 7:33 am  
"ignant666" wrote:
93
Very nice Perique blend rolling tobacco may be had from
http://cigarettetobacco.com/perique.htm
I believe they own some of the only remaining Perique farms.
American Spirit also has Perique Blend packaged cigarettes.
93 93/93

That sounds delicious!

I wonder if I can get it sent to France?

BM


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02/11/2007 6:26 pm  

I don't know why, but I always thought Crowley smoked Perique and Latakia soaked in rum. Never tried it myself, i have been loyal to Balkan Sobranie for lo, these many years.


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09/11/2007 2:13 pm  

I don't know what happened to his pipes, but this must be the best Crowley pipe story:

When Crowley went up to Trinity college Cambridge in 1895 he soon found the tobacconist Colin Lunn who had their shop in Sidney street and was a regular customer.
The firm used two advertising ditties; "Of all the tobacconists under the sun, there is none, there is none like the great Coiln Lunn - " and a longer version; "Of all the pipe merchants in sight of the sun, There is none, there is none like the great Colin Lunn. The grain of his briars is silky and straight. - Will you wait brother Fresher, O why will you wait? Run off to his shop with deuce of a dash - And buy all his stock for credit or cash ! Of all the pipe merchants in sight of the sun. There is none, there is none like the great Colin Lunn"
As Crowley was such a fan it is possible that our Cambridge poet penned these lines.

After Crowley left Trinity he continued to visit Cambridge until 1905. In this year he left a pipe with Colin Lunn for repair, and forgot all about it.

Many years later, in 1942 Crowley went to Cambridge and on his way back to the station went down King's Parade and found the new Colin Lunn shop. He popped in to see if anything might take his fancy, finding a Mr. Littlechild there. He asked after friends, old and new. Littlechild then produced something from under the counter, saying; 'I think this is yours, sir' to which Crowley replied; 'How do you know who I am ? I've never seen you before.' To which Littlechild replied, 'Oh, yes sir I was the odd-job boy at the old Sidney street shop, I remember you quite well.' There on the counter was the pipe he had left with them for repair 37 years before. It seems Crowley bough some Brer tobacco before leaving with his repaired pipe as in a letter to Littlechild he requested more Brer tobacco and enclosed with the letter a copy of "Thumbs Up".


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09/11/2007 4:34 pm  

What a delightful story! Thank you so much for sharing it. It's in these anecdotes that we learn so much about the man.

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22/04/2011 5:56 am  

93!

Sorry to revive such an old thread, but there's a tobacco currently being produced by the excellent Cornell & Diehl brand, which might be of interest to some here, its called "Crowley's Best".
I've smoked this, and its quite a strong perique blend, very tasty for those who like perique.

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22/04/2011 3:36 pm  

Since Chris and I were discussing the topic of this thread the other night and that this thread is on the main page now, I figured I might as well post. We both were wondering where some of A.C.'s pipes may be. Perhaps in the Yorke private collection, you know with the Janus wand and such? And/Or perhaps Page has some pipes in his collection of ephemera?

Swamiji,
Thanks for the heads up on this blend I may give it a try.


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22/04/2011 3:50 pm  

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

AL ov his PIPES are on a space ship with a Mr. J.R. Bob Dobbs as the commander ov the fleet.

Love is the law, love under will
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22/04/2011 4:16 pm  

I really like the pipe repair story up there. Its cute. You can tell he probably prepaid. At my job we sell pipe tobacco and some people leave their pipes and then we lose money. Since it costs to repair but its not prepaid. We gotta fix that. Its awesome he held on to it for 37 years though!


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22/04/2011 4:40 pm  

I'm sorry to butt in, but which thread were you speaking about that referenced Crowley's O.H.O. ring?


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25/04/2011 9:49 pm  

93

Interesting, just reading Grant's memoirs of Crowley, where it mentions that, at least at the end of his life, Crowley was as much a fan of Latakia as of Perique. Grant mentions that Crowley kept his tobacco tins near his desk (as do I!), and he had one labeled with a Hebrew Lamed for the Latakia, another with the Hebrew Pe for Perique. Grant mentions getting Crowley some Perique at the Dunhill store.

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24/06/2014 1:24 am  

The 'My Smoking Shop' based in Preston, Lancashire, England still sell Dunhill - Perique and Latakia- based pipe tobacco, in their shop and by mail order:

* Dunhill Navy Rolls Pipe Tobacco - "Made from a combination of the highest grade Perique and Virginian tobaccos"

* Dunhill Elizabethan Pipe Tobacco - "Virginian tobacco with added Perique for character"

* Dunhill Durbar Mixture Pipe Tobacco - "Originally made in 1910...It is a combination of Latakia, Virginian and Oriental tobaccos"

I have put in an order for a 50g tin of Navy Rolls to try it out, quite reasonably priced.

http://www.mysmokingshop.co.uk


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24/06/2014 7:52 pm  

Thanks for the link, Falcon. I think I'll give it a go, too.

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25/06/2014 12:09 pm  

This is a fascinating and unusual thread.  I too am relatively inexperienced with the ritual & paraphernalia of smoking of a pipe but am contemplating giving the Navy Rolls a “go” at some point as well, while bearing firmly in mind the cautionary note struck in earlier posts!  It sounds as if it is meant to be taken on a par with the strength of A.C.’s fiery curries, and like with the most combustible chillies not a mixture for the faint-hearted or those of a delicate constitution.

For virgins in a similar position to myself would anybody be able to recommend a particular type of rum to use for the soaking of the tobacco & advise how much should be used proportionally with the method of its infusion?  I wouldn’t want to end up “drowning” it and rendering the mixture unsmokeable. 

I must say how greatly looking forward I am to indulging myself with it in emulation of the Magus and by a process of associative osmosis hopefully becoming a 9[sup:uxn850vv]o[/sup:uxn850vv]=2[sup:uxn850vv]□[/sup:uxn850vv].

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25/06/2014 4:19 pm  

Straight Perique from Gawith Hoggarth is available from the Backy Shop, https://www.thebackyshop.co.uk/products/gawith-hoggarth-perique-loose-blending-pipe-tobacco

Maybe try it with a bit of Mount Gay Eclipse Golden Rum.


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25/06/2014 6:42 pm  
"stanforda" wrote:
Straight Perique from Gawith Hoggarth is available from the Backy Shop, https://www.thebackyshop.co.uk/products/gawith-hoggarth-perique-loose-blending-pipe-tobacco

Maybe try it with a bit of Mount Gay Eclipse Golden Rum.

Thanks for the tip. I'll try some seeing as its straight Perique, with the Rum as you suggest.

'A Pipe Smoking Primer' - How To Guide for the Novice:

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/10/14/a-pipe-smoking-primer/


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18/12/2019 9:44 am  

I gave up smoking in 2007, and since then all kinds of tobacco-style inhalation have, sadly, been off-limits to me. 

That includes vaping because I am certain that if I started to vape, and then for some reason my vape-machine wouldn't work, then I'd be straight in the newsagents buying 20 Rothmans.

I am, however, reaching an age where I no longer give a toss about any potential after-effects of tobacco (or vaping), and where technology has made it possible for people to use an e-pipe.

These things look great. They come in all styles from Thames jetsam clay pipe to meerschaum, for that full Sherlockian effect. They cost roughly the same as a normal pipe but I'll bet they are easier to get going and keep going.

I have also seen a vaping liquid called Perique Reserva for sale in the UK:

10ml Bottle - 18mg Nicotine - £6.99

That's not bad, is it?


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Posted by: @alan_obrien

I am certain that if I started to vape, and then for some reason my vape-machine wouldn't work

Modern vaporizers are not those clunky boxes with hoses (like an electronic hookah), but are simple cartridges that screw onto a hand-held battery. Although the batteries cost $18+ at the dispensary, I bought a handful of them from China for $5 each. So far, after (over) a year, nothing has failed to work.

Previously, I was foolish enough to buy two vaping machines. I eventually threw them in the trash. they worked, but were unreliable.

Modern cartridges contain nicotine or cannabis. The nicotine can also be absorbed from nicotine lozenges, which are available at Walmart or Walgreens Drugstores, without a prescription (in the USA at least). Cannabis cartridges require a prescription in New Mexico (which i have), but are available in several states for "recreational" use without any doctors being involved.

In relation to tobacco/nicotine, a noted G.D. member wrote that there are some people who simply cannot function properly in the dense world without it. Another "expert" told me, "If you didn't smoke, you wouldn't be here." This is true. When I used to smoke (like you), if I stopped, my associates would say, "You go away." Well, I was actually still here, but the abstract part of me went to sleep, and there would be no metaphysical stuff going on.

But then there comes a time, for some folks like us, where tobac or pot can lo longer be inhaled without serious lung difficulties. So I got a "medical cannabis card" and switched to vaporizing legal cannabis, and also tried nico lozenges (which work just fine).

Posted by: @alan_obrien

technology has made it possible for people to use an e-pipe.

Oh, I see I wasted my breath, no, keyboard, and you were already up to date. I suppose it's beneficial to read someones entire post before commenting.

 


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18/12/2019 8:00 pm  

For those who wish to vape AC-style, here is a supplier of a perique e-liquid that i can vouch for:

https://www.goodejuice.com/natural-perique-tobacco-ejuice

I've never seen a Latakia e-liquid, but haven't looked in a while. The above folks do supply an excellent plain Turkish, which is pretty close in style:

https://www.goodejuice.com/wild-turkey-tobacco-ejuice

Their other so-called Turkish flavors are more efforts at copying Camel cigarettes.


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christibrany
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18/12/2019 9:00 pm  

I used to work at a local tobacconist/ newststand/news-agents. It was fairly fun.  We had a lovely walk-in humidor with cigars and pipe tobacco.  And behind the counter of course cigarettes and glassware and loose shag tobacco.  I started smoking in college and quit on and off before quitting for good about 6 or 7 years ago.

My various incarnations of inhaling were:

Parliament lights

Camels

Camel light

Pipe tobacco: mainly vanilla types, burley, cavendish, blends. not huge fan of perique or latakia.  In a briar pipe.  Still own it with a bag of tobacco in a tin but haven't used it in ages. 

Rolling cigarettes with pipe tobacco as well...and of course also using Drum (dutch brand)

I eventually quit because my throat started to hurt too much.  I was always into inhaling too much tsk tsk.  

 

One thing I may start again is using a small bowl of pipe tobacco in my office/temple as a potpourri. 


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