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alysa
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10/11/2011 2:28 am  

Maybe through magical means Crowley knew that the thomb was opened, I'm more amazed newspapers call Beynon an historian, LOL!


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William Thirteen
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10/11/2011 7:23 am  

I heard that AC shot a man in Reno "just to watch him die"...


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Michael Staley
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10/11/2011 7:48 am  
"herupakraath" wrote:
I'm amazed Mr. Beynon calls himself a historian.

I doubt that he believes this stuff himself; whatever sells.

Best wishes,

Michael.


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10/11/2011 7:55 am  
"herupakraath" wrote:
Lord Westbury left a suicide note.

93!

Which was clearly faked by Crowley. Proof? He was in London, not so far away, at the Café Royal where he could be seen by many - clearly a strategy to construct an alibi. The nurse taking care of Westbury only entered his bedroom at intervals. Thanks to Beynon's detective abilities we all know now that Crowley planned the location of his London murders to form a pentagram on a map. Proof? Well, in 1906, one year before his first murder, he wrote an essay on the Ritual of the Pentagram and of course he also wrote a poem named "The Pentagram".

I read through the book for well over an hour and it clearly is genuine rubbish. I found one or two of Crowley's diary entries, the rest is second hand material from newspapers or other books or first hand material from Crowley's published works. As far as I can see, Beynon's unique analysis is really - as expected - quite "unique".

I really wonder how Crowley's descendants feel about this. It's so awful...

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10/11/2011 9:38 am  

The Daily Express has also reprinted this rubbish (online at least - I haven't seen the printed edition). Basically yet another reprint of the same article, the Express is at least a little more cynical about the author's claims and consulted Richard Kaczynski for comment.

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10/11/2011 9:47 am  

The only 'curse' seems to be on Crowley's reputation. No matter how many books are published giving a fair treatment of the man and his life, along comes a tabloid-esque caricature that just reinforces the evil stereotype.

Last year it was George Bush's grandfather, now it is the murderer behind Tutankhamen's curse. Lately Dennis Wheatley's efforts have been looking downright noble. At least he called his work 'fiction'.


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michaelclarke18
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10/11/2011 10:22 am  

This book follows similar logic to 'The Da Vinci Code' - another example of wonderful nonsense.


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10/11/2011 11:51 am  

Wow, real eye opener.
I didn't think it was seriously possible for a newspaper in 2011 to refer to anyone as a "Satanist Killer".. so last century.
You would think AC were actually JC, changing water into poison, walking through walls and throwing people out of hospital windows.

The bottom line is that it will just be another flash in the pan though.. it's just not relevant to most people. Books aren't what they used to be.


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10/11/2011 12:26 pm  

I was also surprised when Tony Gosling, who normally exposes the Bilderberg groups agendas and meetings ran with this story in a group email to all subscribers. Now Tony, is a devout Christian who pob seen the name Crowley and decided to share in the circus act and kick his name further into the tabloid gutter.
http://www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm

So, I emailed him and detailed to him my surprise that he forwarded this "Ghost Story", when so much of his work is based on actual facts bolstered up with factual evidence. He admitted that it may have been inaccurate and I await his response since my last email correspondence.

Personally I am really surprised how even the most meticulous of minds will feed the lies generated by the original article. Waiting on the Sunday papers running with it now.

I also think that the "Religious Hatred Act " will not hold much water and the aforementioned paper may still run with it based on the fact that it will ruffle feathers as it already has.


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10/11/2011 1:39 pm  

PS At least "The Spoof" does it right and involves the driver behind the wheel... The Queen Mother! lol hmmmm...

http://www.thespoof.co.uk/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s1i101696

The Express decided to do a more balanced piece.

http://www.express.co.uk/features/view/282870


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10/11/2011 2:04 pm  
"MichaelStaley" wrote:
But how does such rubbish peddled about Crowley fall within the remit of the Racial and Religious Hatred Act? How can it be seen as inciting Religious Hatred?

My thoughts exactly. The answer to your question is "over-reaction."

A caucasian magician is running around killing (ripping) caucasian folks who got too close to Tut - no racial bias here. OR ... An egyptian magician (in the name of Hoor) is ripping up other egyptologists because they are the "competition." - No attacks on minority religions - unless one really stretches the qabalistic correlations.


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10/11/2011 2:06 pm  
"the_spurious_simon_iff" wrote:
Regarding Ammit I've never seen a lion with spots before.

Maybe a leopard? I have actually seen a lot of spotted pigs.


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10/11/2011 2:10 pm  
"Shiva" wrote:
An egyptian magician (in the name of Hoor) is ripping up other egyptologists because they are the "competition." - No attacks on minority religions - unless one really stretches the qabalistic correlations.

I think I have a confession for you Shiva.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCVzElEWw5s


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10/11/2011 8:20 pm  
"Shiva" wrote:
"the_spurious_simon_iff" wrote:
Regarding Ammit I've never seen a lion with spots before.

Maybe a leopard? I have actually seen a lot of spotted pigs.

OT/
LOL I refer you to the answer I gave the_spurious_simon_iff which includes a link to an Egyptian drawing of adult lions with spots. Ammit's back half is the hippo part, front half is lion (including mane even though she's a she), head is crocodile. She is not always shown with a spotted front half, sometimes it's just plain yellow-brown, just as she's only sometimes shown holding two knives. It is possible that the front half could be a wild cat but it's pretty definitely feline if you check the feet out.
Also see here (amazingly).

Sorry for the OT but I do find Egyptian demonesses more interesting than some lunatic self-promoting by writing headline grabbing nonsense about others (course AC was also guilty of headline grabbing nonsense but at least he had the good taste to do it about himself).


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10/11/2011 9:16 pm  

If I apply for a job and put down as my religious denomination 'Thelemite'... will I be answering questions about whether my prophet was a murderer? Or a Paedophile? Could I be discriminated against because someone callously put out misinformation in order to make a buck? And if so - is this against the law? I would say it is.


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10/11/2011 10:57 pm  
"Shiva" wrote:
"the_spurious_simon_iff" wrote:
Regarding Ammit I've never seen a lion with spots before.

Maybe a leopard? I have actually seen a lot of spotted pigs.

"The Master urges his disciples to a certain holy stealth, a concealment of the real purpose of their lives; in this way making the best of both worlds. This counsels a course of action hardly distinguishable from hypocrisy; but the distinction is obvious to any clear thinker, though not altogether so to Frater P."


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10/11/2011 11:41 pm  

so the lion leopard and deers amongst us are all really cheetahs down beneath.


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11/11/2011 12:12 am  

Back to the topic, please.

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Michael Staley
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11/11/2011 12:30 am  
"Dar" wrote:
If I apply for a job and put down as my religious denomination 'Thelemite'... will I be answering questions about whether my prophet was a murderer? Or a Paedophile? Could I be discriminated against because someone callously put out misinformation in order to make a buck? And if so - is this against the law? I would say it is.

Similar considerations would apply to a great many prophets. Although I'm a Thelemite, I wouldn't describe it as a religion. Even if I did, though, that is not something irrevocably bound up with the Prophet as a human being.

People have been writing imbecilic things about Aleister Crowley for the last hundred years, and I don't see it ending anytime soon. Thus if you describe your religion as Thelemite, then best get used to refuting the popular misconception of Crowley, Act or no Act.

Best wishes,

Michael.


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11/11/2011 1:08 am  

On the factual subject of the Ripper case, below is a recent worthwhile assessment of the surrounding climate to the murders that considers AC's association with them mostly via Vittoria Cremers, an awful woman who would have enjoyed committing them: http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php?id=978-0-7864-4547-9


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11/11/2011 1:09 am  

I can't speak for anyone else but in my part of the UK if you put 'Thelemite' as your religion most employers wouldn't know to associate that label with Crowley. Any that did would hopefully also know a little bit more about the subject. Up to you how you'd answer if they asked of course.

I'd guess that most of those that read this current nonsense in the papers will remember the name of the beast wot dunnit more than the odd looking name of his philosophy/religion/school ('oo's this Thelma then?). I'd hope that most of those that buy the book will either be doing so with a knowing smile or are already lost.


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11/11/2011 1:12 am  

Lol.

I see it slightly differently Michael.

The public had better get used to me changing their erroneous perceptions, and that's all there is to it as far as I'm concerned. Now - I've been that way since I was 21 and decided to legalise cannabis, and I'm too old to change my tune now. So everyone else will just have to (or I will go to war with them), and that's just that!

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11/11/2011 4:15 am  

AMAZING IDIOT DRIVEL!!!!!!!!
but any publicity is good publicity - eh?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059084/Were-Curse-Tutankhamun-deaths-actually-murders-arch-satanist-Aleister-Crowley.html


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11/11/2011 3:22 pm  
"parzival" wrote:
... but any publicity is good publicity - eh?

Somewhere (in Liber Aleph?) Crowley suggested to Achad that he make bold, controversial statements - so that he could get attention and the enraged populace would put him up on a box where he could then preach the Law.

By the way, in the New Kingdom, Hrumachis (Hor-em-akhet - "Horus in the Horizon") was the god of the rising and the setting sun, and he is seen represented as a child, a falcon or, more commonly, as the leonine sphinx. His glyph is that of a double lion and a solar disk.

I am seeing spots before my eyes.

Well, I guess A.C. would do almost anything to get attention. However, I fail to agree with his suggestion (to gain uncertain attention) and I don't think ANY attention (like the nonsense we are currently discussing) is beneficial.

That's just a personal opinion, but then I'm still recovering from decades of false information. It would have been better if this idiot had written about Charlie Manson or Heinrich Himmler.


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11/11/2011 6:34 pm  

Daily Mail article translated , somewhat distorted and shortened, appeared in online version of Croatian daily newspaper Jutarnji list.

http://www.jutarnji.hr/istina-o-tutankamonovoj-kletvi--nije-ih-ubijalo-prokletstvo-nego-sotonist-crowley/986185 /"> http://www.jutarnji.hr/istina-o-tutankamonovoj-kletvi--nije-ih-ubijalo-prokletstvo-nego-sotonist-crowley/986185/


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11/11/2011 6:54 pm  

If you use the above link and then translate, the result is quite a hoot.
Nice to get a little smile from this whole shabby affair. Thanks for posting Ayna.


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14/11/2011 2:06 pm  

The rippers knife has possibly been found so it seems Al was hanging with the wrong man.....

http://www.disinfo.com/2011/11/jack-the-rippers-blade-found/


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14/11/2011 6:25 pm  

All the answers are in this word:

JUWES


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16/11/2011 5:03 pm  
"nashimiron" wrote:
You've got to admire him for getting all these newspapers in on the hoax. It would be great if he could get himself on channel 5!

What??!!

Most "news" is made up of hoax material!

All ya need for a book deal is a pile of nonsense that publishers are more than happy to turn into cash while misinforming the masses!


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16/11/2011 7:55 pm  
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"nashimiron" wrote:
You've got to admire him for getting all these newspapers in on the hoax. It would be great if he could get himself on channel 5!

What??!!

Most "news" is made up of hoax material!

All ya need for a book deal is a pile of nonsense that publishers are more than happy to turn into cash while misinforming the masses!

Unless there is a deterrent...


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