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Who calls us Thelemites will do no wrong, if he look but close into the word. For there are therein Three Grades, the Hermit, and the Lover, and the man of Earth. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. (AL I:40)

"[...] the Law is for all" as it is written in AL I:34, and if "the man of Earth"-grade mentioned in AL I:40 referes to all of us earthlings, this means that we all through accepting this Law as valid, can be within "the man of Earth"-grade.

"The Lover"-grade also mentioned in AL I:40, might indicate a lesser number of individuals whose will it is to live according to: "Love is the law, love under will", as it is written in AL I:57.

Those of "my friends who be hermits" mentioned in AL II:24, might be related to "the Hermit"-grade mentioned in AL I:40.

According to this interpretation, the select number of dedicated individuals within "the Lover"-grade mentioned in AL I:40, is the populatuion from which one can expect any serious effort[-s] to implement Thelema as a basis for human society.


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I think there may well be a correlation between the 3 Grades and the formula or message from the dramatis personae of each of the 3 chapters of Liber AL

Crowley mentions this indirectly in his commentary to the verse;

“Thus we have in the order the Mystic, the Magician and the Devotee. These correspond closely with the Nuit-Hadit-Ra-Hoor-Khuit Triad”

He also refers directly to ‘the Hermits of Hadit’ in Khabs am pehkt.

Yet he does not seem to explore this relation between the grades and the ‘dieties’ whose message is given in each of the 3 chapters of AL in any detail.

It is an area I have been giving though to for some time and I am currently preparing an essay exploring these ideas further.

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Shiva
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"davyp93" wrote:
... he does not seem to explore this relation between the grades and the ‘dieties’ whose message is given in each of the 3 chapters of AL in any detail.

The chapters of AL express the BPM in such clarity that you may not want to miss my essay of the subject at: http://mystic-history.angelfire.com/albpm00.ht m"> http://mystic-history.angelfire.com/albpm00.htm


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Me quoting AC from chapter 87 in his Confessions: "... it seems as if my work were to construct a model of a new civilization to replace that which we see
before our eyes reeling towards catastrophe."

Shiva: "Now we (at least, "I") must decides if our/my present world is the result of "civilization reeling towards catastrophe" or "the deplorable conditions at
The Abbey of Thelema."

Me again quoting AC from chapter 87 in his Confessions: "... to found a community on the principles of The Book of the Law, to form an archetype of a new
society."

Shiva: "It is my understanding that the prototype was run by a dictator who did not seem to care if things got untidy. Note: This is a common by-product of continued use of certain "hard" drugs (which were known to be in play within the prototype).

I worry about this factor and its influence on the prototype, since the proto was meant to influence the bigger world."

(All above quoted from page 7 in the thread titled Moral Nihilism in Thelema - - - Moral Nihilism in Thelema – Page 7 – Thelema – LAShTAL.COM Forum )

I say you rightfully worry about potential implications of the fact that Aleister Crowley's intended for his Thelema "... to serve as a practical blueprint for a real human society.", as officially indicated by an representative of its top-staff, Sabazius X°, National Grand Master General (G.M.G.) for the U.S. Grand Lodge of the OTO, David Scriven.
(Source: His 2007 NOTOCON Address - - - https://hermetic.com/sabazius/SbSpeech6 )

But in the same paragraph from which the sentence above is quoted, David Scriven does also state that "Our Thelema is that of the Book of the Law and the writings of Aleister Crowley [...]."

And the latter statement might provide you with some basis to worry less, as AC in his writings expresses openness to letting necessity guide any form[-s] a practical blueprint for a real human society based on his Thelema, would take (after a world civilizational catastrophe envisioned by him):

"I want a Patriarchal-Feudal system run by initiated Kings. I think though, that (in applying the Law of Thelema to all cases) necessity will indicate the form of government required."
(Source: Crowley's diary on May 29th 1923, quoted by Patriarch156 on page 2 in the thread Thelema a basis for human society - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/biography/thelema-a-basis-for-human-society/paged/2/ )

AC's expressed openness to letting necessity guide any form[-s] a practical blueprint for a real human society based on his Thelema, can take, is advantageous for anyone intending to implement such a society.

 

I agree with ignant666 when he states that "The (c)OTO point of view is totally unrepresented here [on this forum], and i think that's a pity."(Source: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/the-airtight-arguments-of-jerry-cornelius-review-of-the-cult-of-aleister-crowley/#post-118866)

And I would for example be interested in discussing with open members of the O.T.O. on this forum, about Crowley's intention of constructing a model of a new civilization based on his Thelema.

Personally I hope we do avoid the world civilizational catastrophe envisioned by AC.


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

And the latter statement might provide you with some basis to worry less, as AC in his writings expresses openness to letting necessity guide any form[-s] a practical blueprint for a real human society based on his Thelema, would take

There are two [2] primary points of Order that must immediately be addressed ...

1. "I worry" is a metaphorical model phrase wherein I pretend to worry, i.e, "have recurring thoughts about a problem that never comes to a solution." I do not "worry" about the prototype - I merely point out the cracks in the foundation while saying, "I worry," when I only comment and move on.

2. My concern, which is not even a worry, is not with a prototype set-up, set up to influence external society, as it is an act of sympathetick Magick, and I have my own experience with building such a prototype, from scratch, out of the barren, dry desert that had sidewinder rattlesnakes for indigenous inhabitants. ...

... No, that part is cool. My non-worrying, temporary concer is about the effects of non-strange (i.e., "hard") drugs on the prototype.

3. A third (3rd) point is unrelated to my worries. If Sab X or any Tong employee or volunteer wants to reshape real society on a Thelemic basis, and their prototype involves any type of grade or token of authority without requiring the Work of the Tasks of Grades, then you (or anyone) can easily spot another attempt of The Black Lodge at gaining material-plane control of peoples.

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I agree with ignant666 when he states that "The (c)OTO point of view is totally unrepresented here [on this forum]

This is why I take it upon myself, as a former [but only recognized as clandestine] big-shot in the Tong, to keep folks informed. However, there is nothing new to report. They are "it," and all the rest of us are fakirs.

Any attempts by any Tong to influence or take over society, today, will meet with a rather stern opposition. Yes, unfortunately, the implementation of a societal Thelema is/was intended by AC as a build it up from chaos sort of thing - after the present society has been, um, mixed-up and broken down. That catabolism is now under way, as anyone can see.

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And I would for example be interested in discussing with open members of the O.T.O. on this forum

This is very altruistic of you. I suppose your "interest" is some form of theUniversal Joke. A red line has been drawn in the yellow sand. They are the elite. We (the non-dues-paying detractors) are the rabble.

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Personally I hope we do avoid the world civilizational catastrophe envisioned by AC.

Well, yes, that would be nice ... but then we (humanity) would be stuck in the Old Aeon of the Dying and Re-arised Asar.


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