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lashtal
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Ok, here's a challenge...

To identify and map all the places of relevance to Aleister Crowley's life, using the wonderful WikiMapia tool.

Adding place markers is really simple and intuitive.

To start, visit Cefalu (http://www.wikimapia.org/#y=38031098&x=13997902&z=17&l=0&m= s"> http://www.wikimapia.org/#y=38031098&x=13997902&z=17&l=0&m=s ). And here's the challenge: to find the Abbey and set it as a place marker.

Next stop: Boleskine!

To help find the place markers later, please include the word "LAShTAL" in the text area so we can find the sites easily.

Please add to this thread when you've identified locations.

This could develop into something rather useful!

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I see someone's just done it...

Well done, whoever you are!

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93!

Somebody (probably you, Paul) already placed a marker. You have to go to the right some moves to find it. I put "lashtal" into the tag. For some reason, when you are on the home-site (www.wikimapia.org) you don't have to search the "tags" but search the "places" to find it. Alright, so there's some new stuff to do during render breaks. Thanks...

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lashtal
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Well done, Lutz - but someone beat me to it...

We'll put "LAShTAL" in the text area and rely on a Places search, which seems to work effectively.

I'll set up a LAShTAL.COM Article (see menu on left side of every page) to record sites as they're reported.

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I see someone has added the Great Pyramid and the Egyptian Museum, Cairo.

Good work!

Come on, arm yourselves with your favourite biography of the man and go for it!

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lashtal
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Oh well, it was an idea... As fast as some of you have been adding places and marking them "LAShTAL" in a discreet and polite fashion, others less impressed by Crowley have been removing them.

The record for the Abbey at Cefalu, for example, has been vandalised to replace data of interest to LAShTAL.COM members with the following:

Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

Which is, I suppose, reassuring to know. Probably...

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According to "moral universality", does that mean we can now "vandalise" Jerusalem? I don't think they'd understand...

As an aside, it strikes me that Christians have been doing this for 1900-odd years now, after vandalising the statues in Egypt. I guess some folks have no subtlety.


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Poor old Ptah!

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Well lets take this into our own hands..

Lets post the coordinates to the places and make a Google Earth tour (in chronological order) of of Crowley's life.

Sound interesting?


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I like the sound of that!

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Greetings! 🙂

This evening, I had the idea to start looking for old photos of Ceylon, India etc from 1902 in order to create an Enc.Thel. entry about the world as it was in AC’s time. Among several old pictures, I found an old map where someone had marked R.Kipling’s travels and I thought it would be a nice idea to have something like that for AC as well. However, I’d prefer a digital interactive map, shared online –perhaps via Lashtal. On this map we could draw all AC’s known routes and then add pictures and quotes and other information about the certain travels, and even some new data about future travelers.

Since Paul had started this thread a few years ago, I’d like to take it from here and see what options we have at the moment to create such a map.

I wasn’t aware of wikimapia. I read in the previous posts that there were some problems with other users of wikimapia, and I thought to try it myself. Soon I realized that the Abbey of Thelema in Cefalu and the Boleskine House have been marked already, but I’m not sure what we can do with them. I mean, I don’t see how we could draw connecting lines and then add pictures on these spots.

Then I visited Google Earth and marked Cefalu and Boleskine, but I’m not sure if and how I could share the places and the routes with others on the internet. Perhaps someone who knows Google Earth and Wikimapia better could show me the way –if there is one.

I guess the other options would be either to find another online mapping tool which could be installed on Lashtal or Enc.Thel., or to create some sort of interactive map (which would be the most difficult case, as it needs some expertise).

Are there any suggestions?

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Greetings!

I’ve been doing some work on AC’s travels’ map lately.
Although Google Earth is a great tool, I thought it would be better to host the map in another platform in order to avoid vandalizing and, since Christibrany kindly offered to create image maps, I made a few steps towards this direction.

The idea is to have a world map where one can take a general idea about AC’s travels and then click on the continents to move to a larger map, focused on a certain area, with links to every city.

UK will be displayed separately in order to have a better view of the areas AC visited or stayed during his life.

The clickable areas of the cities will be linked to homonymic Encyclopedia Thelemica pages where the members will be able to add info, pictures, etc.

I thought to post the map and the related info and ask for the community’s observations / suggestions at this point, because it will be easier to make some improvements now, before we move on to the creation of the image maps.

In the attached Excel file you can find a list of AC’s travels, compiled from AC’s Timeline and the “Confessions”. In case you find any mistakes or omissions, please let me know.

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Hecate,

In response to your request for suggestions, I offer the following:

The first and most important step should be to add coordinates to the table. Once that is done, the data can be imported into a GIS and then exported in one or more formats to meet users' needs.

The KML format will work well for Google Earth, KDE Marble, ESRI's ArcExplorer and other applications. ESRI Shapefile and file geodatabase would also be appropriate formats.

Once the data has been exported, casual users can load the data into applications such as Google Earth, ArcGIS Explorer, GRASS, uDig, etc. for casual viewing or more serious analysis.

Next, the application itself can be developed. Solutions including image maps, client-side software (Google Earth, ArcGIS Explorer) and server-side software (ArcGIS.com, UMN Mapserver) are available.

To really get this going, I would encourage everyone to get a copy of the spreadsheet in Hecate's post and provide coordinates for the locations. If everyone does just a few, then the 300 or so rows will be populated quite quickly.


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Intriguing project. Just a tip, and this might be common knowledge here. In the Confessions, Crowley talks about his magickal retirement on Oesopus Island in the Hudson River (summer 1918). In the U.S. (so on most of the maps) it's spelt Esopus. Apx. 41.8 deg. N, 73.9 deg. W.


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Greetings Stephen!

Many thanks for your suggestions. I wasn't aware about all those applications.

Paul suggested to use an application, too, but I thought that the map would be safer if people had a limited access to it and I found it easier to make it as an image. 🙄

I'll contact you via pm later, to see if you can help me with some questions I have about these applications.

As for the coordinates, it's not difficult to find them on google maps, but I couldn't spot some places in China and Kashmir at all. Of course any help from the community would be appreciated.

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For those wanting to contribute coordinates:

To get coordinates in Google Maps, zoom to the area, right click and select "What's Here", then hover over the green pointer to see the coordinates.

If the location can not be found in Google Maps, another alternative would be to search though other online gazetteers.

Ansat, thanks for your contribution. There is indeed an island at those coordinates, though the single decimal place puts the point off the river.


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I really like both ideas. Meaning having image maps in a somewhat simpler format and the google earth thing both. Because i know not everyone will want to dl the programme just to see it.
I volunteer to help with the image maps if you still want to do it, it really is quite simple. And looks better , or has the possiblity of it, with little photos and graphics spiced here and there.
And great job on the spreadsheet hecate i am enjoying it now 🙂 how long did that take?


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Thank you Chris!

It took me quite a while. I've started working on this before Christmas, spending a couple of hours every now and then. I'm not satisfied from the spreadsheet -it could be much better- but, to be sincere, I felt I had enough of this already.

Obviously, the GIS solution is great, although I don't know how to use it. I've installed the ArcGIS Explorer on my pc to experiment for a while, but it will take me some time to figure out whether I can do something with it.

Of course, having the map in both ways doesn't sound bad either, given that there is also a volunteer to help with the image maps. 😀

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Update:
Many thanks to Stephen who volunteered to help us with the GIS application and the data format conversions, once we have populated the coordinate fields in the spreadsheet. 😀

I'll start doing that, from the first row.
If anyone wishes to help, please let us know which rows (or which travel) you will cover, so that there won't be any overlapping.

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Greetings 🙂

In the attached file you can view the places and the coordinates I found until now.
As you can see, I couldn't spot some places, although I've tried hard. Any help would be appreciated.

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Greetings

Here are two Excel spreadsheets:

The first is a new version of the list I had posted about a month ago.
I checked again all the coordinates. I had to correct some and I slightly changed others to match better with the Google Earth data and/or the actual places. I also added several destinations, although I couldn't find the corresponding coordinates for all of them.
Stephen is going to work on this final list now.

The second includes all the places the coordinates of which I wasn't able to spot until now. In case anyone would like to help, please post the coordinates you happen to know on this forum.

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Who knows, maybe, some day in the distant future, someone will organize a long travel, following AC’s steps all over the world and even make a film on this. Not many could afford a travel like this, of course.

Or, after many - many years several Thelemites might be living in all these areas and they might decide to celebrate AC’s work connecting these places somehow –say, reading the Book of the Law at the same time, globally. Can you imagine some weather-beaten mountaineer reading the BOTL on camp 11 of Chogo Ri in April? 😀


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Hecate
Just let me know what you'd like me to do on my end of the project. Especially important is if you have specific map images you want to use you should send them to my email. And also let me know about the levels again. I know you've been very busy 🙂
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Greetings

Although I’ve made some progress with AC’s map, I still haven’t been able to locate some of places yet. I would appreciate any help to find the exact locations and the coordinates of the following places:

1. According to the Aleister Crowley Timeline:
May 26: Loses four games of chess in an evening match against local master Norman T Whitaker at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, despite excellent playing on both sides.

Looking for the location of the National Press Club in Washington DC, I found that it moved 3 times but it isn’t clear where it was on 26 May 1916.

Can anyone tell me please what year the USA National Press Club moved from above Rhodes Tavern at the corner of 15th and F Streets to the Albee Building (formerly Riggs) at 15th and G Streets?

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2. Tribune

According to the Aleister Crowley Timeline:
“25 March 1907: Goes to Tivoli & Tribune”
Is this the Herald Tribune?

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3. Amurrka, outside New York

In “Confessions”, Chapter 55 we read:
"Of late years Chinese cooking has become popular, though not nearly as popular as it deserves to be, in New York, Paris and London. In new York it is the best food; in Amurrka, outside New York, it is the only food (bar sea-food) fit for human consumption save in the Indian Grill Room in Los Angeles, Chez Antoine in New Orleans, and one or two other remote oases in the wilderness of canned abominations."

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4. The Fatherland offices, New York

"Confessions”, Chapter 76 :
“Mr O'Brien was not in. I think I never saw him again. But I discovered that his office was the office of a paper called The Fatherland, appearing weekly. “

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5. Villa Caldarazzo, Posilippo, Naples
In his Confessions, Chapter 70, AC describes how they located the villa:
“After a fruitless search we turned our automobile towards Naples, along the crest of Posilippo. At one point there is a small side lane scarcely negotiable by motor, and indeed hardly perceptible, as it branches from the main road so as to form an acute-angled "Y" with the foot towards Naples. But Virakam sprang excitedly to her feet and told the chauffeur to drive down it. …………The road became constantly rougher and narrower. After some time, it came out on the open slope; a low stone parapet on the left protecting it. ………….We drove on; we came to a tiny piazza, on one side of which was a church. ……We drove on. The lane became narrower, rougher and steeper. Little more than a hundred yards ahead it was completely "up", blocked with heaps of broken stone. …….We drove on a few yards. Then the chauffeur made up his mind to revolt and stopped the car. On the left was a wide open gate through which we could see a gang of workmen engaged in pretending to repair a ramshackle villa.”

I searched for villa via Google Earth and I spotted the Y junction, but I didn’t see any church or square. It seems that the road is closed at some point so the Google car couldn’t move further to take more pictures.

Does anyone know where exactly is Villa Caldarazzo (if it hasn’t been demolished yet)?

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6. In his Confessions, Chapter 67, he says:
“From this time on I lived in a perfect shower of diplomas, from Bucharest to Salt Lake City. “
Does anyone happen to know if, when and where he has been in Bucharest?

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7. Mikado
In 1931 he dined at Mikado (most likely in Berlin).

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8. In 1905, while being on the Kangchenjunga expedition, India, he passed from the following places, but I couldn’t find any references about them on the internet.

Jorpakri
Tongly
Chabanjong
Nego Cave camp
Gamotang on the way to Chumbab La
mount Chumbab La
mount Kang La
valey of Yalung Chu
Tseram,
camp at foot of Jacob's Rake

Later, on his way back through China, he passed from:

Pingho (crest?)
Yalung Chu in the valley of Salween river
Pu Pa'o
Yunchangfu (Yunchang now Paoshan)
Hsia-Kuan
Lu Chiang Chiao

And Hoiho, in Vietnam.

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9. Algeria:

In 1909 during his first visit to Algeria, he visited:

mount Da'leh Addin near Bou Saada
Bordj An Nus

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10. In the Confessions, ch.13, AC says:

“I loved to wander solitary in Holland, Denmark, Norway and Sweden.”
Are there any more details about his visits to these countries?

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Hey Hecate!
My guess is that the quote in 3) regarding "Amurrka" is AC rather drolly suggesting that the only food worth consuming in America outside of New York and his few listed examples is Chinese food or sea food.
Always expect traps! 🙂


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No.4 The Fatherland magazine.

Their address was 1123 Broadway, New York City.

OK


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Greetings

"amadan-De" wrote:
Hey Hecate!
My guess is that the quote in 3) regarding "Amurrka" is AC rather drolly suggesting that the only food worth consuming in America outside of New York and his few listed examples is Chinese food or sea food.
Always expect traps! 🙂

LOL 😀

Thank you both!

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