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The future where Crowley described Sex Magick as having “enabled me to construct a uniform type of engine for accomplishing anything that I will"
Maybe the “war engine” of sex magick is addressed to all who are “of us” [...]

So, what is it you're (both) talking about? What is there about the nature of war that makes a war-engine a relevant and tangible (physical) commodity and natural expression of the widespread reality and applicability of Sex Magick?  What is its basic identity, and what does this engine actually come across manifesting?

this is meant to reverse the decline of civilization as mentioned earlier in the thread? Maybe Genesis Orridge (searching for the OTO) picked up on this
But I'm puzzled --- I thought he & his fellow cohorts were identified as being the "wreckers" of civilization!?!

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David/dom: Usage note- it is "Genesis P. Orridge", or "P-Orridge", but not "Genesis Orridge" tout court. Suggested helpful mnemonic: "Without the 'Pee', it isn't 'Porridge'."

After this brief pedantic interruption, i now return you to the argument, erm, discussion already in progress. To which i have nothing of substance to contribute except that i have always found Colin a much weaker sort of Wilson that Robert Anton, other than The Mind Parasites, which i rate very highly indeed and in fact re-read fairly recently.


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Jamie J Barter: "Didn’t I say that I anticipated heavy weather up ahead in pursuing this angle, which in any case is an offshoot to the OT? Oy vey… Meantime you have neglected to explain what “Sex Magick” means to you ..."

The OT (posted by dom): "Colin Wilson’s “Aleister Crowley: The Nature of the Beast“. A document of a well balanced perspective or a prejudiced and opinionated critique by an ignoramus?"

In his Aleister Crowley: The Nature of The Beast, Wilson suggested that Crowley’s mentality was borderline ‘criminal’ – resulting perhaps from a head injury after a homemade firework knocked him unconscious for ninety six hours. Cole delves further into this in his Liber L. Vel Bogus – the Real Confession of Aleister Crowley: The Governing Dynamics of Thelema Parts One & Two: "That Crowley survived at all, is almost miraculous. That he did not suffer irreparable neurological damage is unlikely in the extreme (Cole, page 52)."

Crowley's mentality was unwholesome, according to Wilson and Cole. My position is that if Crowley's mentality was not unwholesome, it was at least highly eccentric, and my position is also that Crowley used sex magic(k) as early as before he wrote his The Book of the Law, wherin is mentioned "a war-engine" (III:7).

Explaining what "Sex Magick" means to me is not relevant, as what is relevant here is what "Sex Magick" meant to Aleister Crowley. What is relevant here is also why Aleister Crowley thought "Sex Magick" "enabled me to construct a uniform type of engine for accomplishing anything that I will (Confessions, Chapter 72, page 708)."

Jamie J Barter: "... you are quoting a heck of a lot of Cole, from what is so far an unsubstantiated source (Liber Bogus), seemingly forgetting that we are still awaiting developments in the saga of the (supposedly) game-decider climax of Liber Appendix ..."

As for "the (supposedly) game-decider climax of Liber Appendix", I would not be surprised if it should contain more about "Sex Magick":

"That Crowley realized the supreme value of Sex Magick, but never grasped its essential relationship with the New Aeon of Horus, is a double tradegy. Had Crowley not become so deeply entrenched in the technicalities of Thelema, or if he'd paused for a moment to 'think outside the box', it is likely he would have made a connection of such magnitude as to guarantee a 'Page One' entry into the annals of history. He did not, and died "perplexed", only one small step from stumbling over what is arguably the greatest discovery in recorded history, and a revelation that points our route to extraterrestrial life (Cole, page 65)"


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My point is that Crowley's highly eccentric mentality if reflected in his The Book of the Law, where he authored and wrote "7. I will give you a war-engine. 8. With it ye shall smite the peoples; and none shall stand before you (III:7-8)." Just as much as his eccentric mentality is reflected in his 'Autohagiography' The Confessions of Aleister Crowley, where he says that a secret of sex magic(k) "... has proved to all intents and purposes the simplification and concentration of the whole of my magical knowledge. [...] It has also enabled me to construct a uniform type of engine for accomplishing anything that I will (Confessions, Chapter 72, page 708)."


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(Sorry for chainposting!) Correction: "My point is that Crowley’s highly eccentric mentality is reflected in his The Book of the Law, where he authored and wrote "7. I will give you a war-engine. 8. With it ye shall smite the peoples; and none shall stand before you (III:7-8).""


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ec·cen·tric adjective: (of a person or their behavior) - "unconventional and slightly strange."

I believe 93% of the posters here qualify under this definition.

As to "unwholesome": This means "not whole" or "not wholistic/holistic" and/or "not holy." It seems likely that, like most (all?) of us, he was unholy in his daily consciousness, but holy when in trance; by "trance," I mean dharana or samadhi.

Do I need to keep reminding us all that "A Magister is not a Magister unless he is functioning in his light body"? Otherwise, he/she is just a normal human being, subject to the errors and confusion inherent in the human brain/persona.

We all know that AC was a [street-level term for a male reproductive organ], and that Perdurabo/OM/VVVVV/Therion was a genius who laid out a pile of convoluted data in an orderly manner for our benefit.

And, as asked by AC himself, who is Frater Perdurabo and who is the Demon Crowley?

As far as "borderline ‘criminal," this indicates a person on the edge of committing a crime. This would account for 06% of our posters. If AC lied to us, then he went over the border.

The final 01% of posters here are obviously deranged criminals, and should be reported to the Queen, the CIA, or Google [the Borg]. Which category fits your (any "you") profle? Perhaps a poll is needed in order to confirm or deny these percentage figures ... but then that would be useless, as the liars would lie.


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So, what is it you’re (both) talking about? What is there about the nature of war that makes a war-engine a relevant and tangible (physical) commodity and natural expression of the widespread reality and applicability of Sex Magick?  What is its basic identity, and what does this engine actually come across manifesting?

Yoga is war isn't it? Magick and yoga are lovers.... figure it out.


But I’m puzzled — I thought he & his fellow cohorts were identified as being the “wreckers” of civilization!?!
N Joy

"Identified" Interesting word that. Identified by whom?

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Colin Wilson’s Aleister Crowley: The Nature of the Beast, is a book in which is mentioned Crowley's interest in sex magic before he came in contact with the Ordo Templi Orientis.

Currently I do - with the exception of Richard T. Cole’s Liber L. Vel Bogus - know of few other books where this is the case.

The other two books I know of with respect to this, is Nevill Drury's Stealing Fire from Heaven: The Rise of Modern Western Magic (1 edition 2011), where this is mentioned on the pages 84 and 85, and Don Webb and Michael A. Aquino's Overthrowing the Old Gods: Aleister Crowley and the Book of the Law (1 edition 2013), where this is mentioned on page 91.


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JB: So, what is it you’re (both) talking about?

They are trying to equate the "war-engine" of AL III with Magick energized by sexual activities, with reference to the possibility that AC knew about the IX* (OTO) a lot earlier than his tales indicate.

What is there about the nature of war that makes a war-engine a relevant and tangible (physical) commodity and natural expression of the widespread reality and applicability of Sex Magick?

Good question.

Dom: Yoga is war isn’t it?

It could be, if that's the way you want to look at it. However, Yoga means "union." Yoga (as union) is a result. The struggle to attain union with the higher self could be a war with the breaks (the people).

This brings up an interesting story. I once was instructing a student in asana, under the watchful eye (and mouth) of our guru. The student was having trouble with physical breaks. I informed her to simply allow the cramps and twitches to sublimate/evaporate/spread-out into nothingness (choose your own term, I don't remember my exact verb)..

The guru flipped out, yelling at me that I was wrong. She (the guru) yelled at the student, "Fight it! Fight it! "

At the time, I thought the guru was wrong (and I was right), but I was smart enough to keep my mouth shut. Since that time, I have confirmed multiple times via direct experimentation that our aggressive guru/master/petty-tyrant was indeed wrong, and I was indeed correct.

Just now, I stopped typing and consulted another experienced yogini, who confirmed my viewpoint.

Go to war if you want, but there's an easier way.

Magick and yoga are lovers … figure it out.

Yeah, Jamie, figure it out. But don't you dare ask for clarification. And never again ask a rational question and expect a rational answer!


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This brings up an interesting story. I once was instructing a student in asana, under the watchful eye (and mouth) of our guru. The student was having trouble with physical breaks. I informed her to simply allow the cramps and twitches to sublimate/evaporate/spread-out into nothingness (choose your own term, I don’t remember my exact verb)..
The guru flipped out, yelling at me that I was wrong. She (the guru) yelled at the student, “Fight it! Fight it! ”
At the time, I thought the guru was wrong (and I was right), but I was smart enough to keep my mouth shut. Since that time, I have confirmed multiple times via direct experimentation that our aggressive guru/master/petty-tyrant was indeed wrong, and I was indeed correct

Wow. Cease to resist and all that. How's that for missing the point?

Have you ever read the New Comment to chapter 3 Legis by any chance? Recently?

AC describes it all as war. Figure it out.

There is little danger that any student, however idle or stupid, will fail to get some result; but there is great danger that he will be led astray, obsessed and overwhelmed by his results, even though it be by those which it is necessary that he should attain. Too often, moreover, he mistaketh the first resting-place for the goal, and taketh off his armour as if he were a victor ere the fight is well begun.
It is desirable that the student should never attach to any result the importance which it at first seems to possess.

Liber O.

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Jamie J Barter: "What is there about the nature of war that makes a war-engine a relevant and tangible (physical) commodity and natural expression of the widespread reality and applicability of Sex Magick? What is its basic identity, and what does this engine actually come across manifesting?"

Ra-Hoor-Khuit (= RHK) in AC's The Book of the Law (= BOTL), is according to his designs with this book, a "god of War and of Vengeance (III:3)" against an overruled time period of suffering and death (I:49, II:17), immediately preceding a current time period of self-realization.

RHK is within this current time period of self-realization, a symbol for one's own "silent self" (one's own interior teacher or inner guru), according to AC's designs with his BOTL.

With relevance to the overruled time period of suffering and death, AC does in his New Comment to "There is death for the dogs (II:45).", (quoting himself from The BOOk of WISDOM or FOLLY), postulate that one can learn "in The Book of the Law, that Death is the Dissolution in the Kiss of Our Lady Nuith." Here he also postulates both that "the Cause of" "the Pain of the Conscious Mind" can be found in "the Sense of Separation, and its Cessation [can be found] by the Union of Love". And that "We are then to make our whole Engine the true and real Appurtenance of our Force, without Leak, or Friction, or any other Waste or Hindrance to its Action.", "that thou be [...] a Warrior worthy of the Bed of so divine a Dissolution [= "the Kiss of Our Lady Nuith"]."

Within The BOOk of WISDOM or FOLLY, your Body is defined as your Vehicle of Illusion, and your Mind is defined as your Magical Engine. "an Engine indefatigable", is in the same book defined as what a "Hero and Magician" "wouldst be". And in this book is also written that "the Engine, Arrow and Bow" are "a Fourth Element essential in the Work", and that "This Engine is thy Body, possessed by thee and used by thee for thy Work, yet not Part of thee".

My point is that the word war-engine mentioned in AC's BOTL, equals the words "our whole Engine" used in AC's New Comment to II:45., and that AC understood it to involve sex magic[k] from the time he authored this book. And that the repeated use of words like warrior and war in his BOTL, reflects Crowley's designs for this book to be about "the Battle of Conquest (III:9)" and "victory & joy (III:46)" over and against an overruled time period of suffering and death.

The following words are used by Crowley in his New Comment to "If this be not aright; if ye confound the space-marks, saying: They are one; or saying, They are many; if the ritual be not ever unto me: then expect the direful judgments of Ra Hoor Khuit! (I:52.)":

"The whole man [...] must be one engine", cumbered with nothing useless, nothing inharmonious; a thunderbolt from the hand of Jove. [...] Our Magical engine is mighty indeed when its efficiency reaches 50% of its theoretical horse-power. But the enormous majority of mankind have no idea whatever of taking Love as a sacred and serious thing, of using the eye of the microscopist, or the heart and brain of the artist. Their ignorance and their shame have made Love a carcass of pestilence; and Love has avenged the outrage by crushing their lives when they pull down the temple upon them. [...] Love that makes two One is the engine whereby even the final Two, Self and Not-Self, may become One, in the mystic marriage of the Bride, the Soul, with Him appointed from eternity to espouse her; yea, even the Most High, God All-in-All, the Truth."


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If we have the power to release it, our own so-called "silent self" will spring lustily forth with its "cry of Battle, the Word of our True Wills.", according to AC's New Comment to "Behold! it is revealed by Aiwass the minister of Hoor-paar-kraat (I:7)."


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Maybe should do your own sex magic thread?

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I find the 'war engine' part of Ch. III, to be rather a fascinating double or triple entente. Sex Magick/Tantra is definitely one of those things but not only


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@dom

Maybe should do your own sex magic thread?

I don't see why. This particular discussion stems from an aspect of the book which is the subject of this thread, and thus is pertinent.


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I don’t see why. This particular discussion stems from an aspect of the book which is the subject of this thread, and thus is pertinent.

Fine. The book review is ongoing so we're going to have a schizophrenic multi personality thread here as I introduce more points derived from Wilson's book.

Yeah I can deal with that.

Juggle on.

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@dom

so we’re going to have a schizophrenic multi personality thread

No, it's just a thread. Many threads deal with multiple aspects of the original subject of the thread. It's not unusual, as Tom Jones would ululate; and there's nothing schizophrenic about it.

Onward, ever onward.


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Jamie J Barter asked: “What is there about the nature of war that makes a war-engine a relevant and tangible (physical) commodity and natural expression of the widespread reality and applicability of Sex Magick? What is its basic identity, and what does this engine actually come across manifesting?

WRWB answered: Ra-Hoor-Khuit (= RHK) in AC’s The Book of the Law (= BOTL), is according to his designs with this book, a “god of War and of Vengeance (III:3)” against an overruled time period of suffering and death (I:49, II:17), immediately preceding a current time period of self-realization. ... etc, including reference to the New Commentary.

Shiva comments: Yes, Yes, Okay, we know that Chapter III can be (and often is) applied to the inner world (the so-called Mystical Path). It can also be (and often is) applied to the outer world (the so-called Magic[k]al Path). The outer application is clearly implied, in that there is reference to physical plane object and actions.

The inner and outer worlds are ideally a reflection, a mirror image, of each other. But this is hardly ever the case, except in the case of a high-ranking adept (truly earned and not so ranked by a piece of paper or an external ceremony of initiation).

These statements do not negate your position and points (p.'.p.'.), but careful scrutiny shows that you are, in some cases, connecting invisible dots with disappearing ink.

Dom: Maybe should do your own sex magic thread?

"Thou shalt not should on thyself or others."

However, you make a good point regarding thread diversion, but the Wilson under investigation mentioned sex in his book, so it really qualifies as justified under the Topics Act of 2017.

Michael: I don’t see why. This particular discussion stems from an aspect of the book which is the subject of this thread, and thus is pertinent.

Oh, I see you came to the same conclusion, and I needed not to waste my typing time.

Dom replied to Michael: Fine. The book review is ongoing so we’re going to have a schizophrenic multi personality thread here as I introduce more points derived from Wilson’s book.

You are not taking this very well and are using psychological terminology to whine and cry because you can't stand (sit?) to lose control.

D: Yeah I can deal with that.

But poorly.

Michael: ... there’s nothing schizophrenic about it.

Yes there is. The OP is having a mental fit.


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I think it was Leary who coined the term "hedonic engineering". It's an abstract term that covers all manner of mystical-magical activity. Anyway the etymology of this term throws more light on the matter. The "cunning folk" of witchcraft implicated?

Engine:

Middle English (formerly also as ingine ): from Old French engin, from Latin ingenium ‘talent, device’, from in- ‘in’ + gignere ‘beget’; compare with ingenious. The original sense was ‘ingenuity, cunning’ (surviving in Scots as ingine ), hence ‘the product of ingenuity, a plot or snare’, also ‘tool, weapon’, later specifically denoting a large mechanical weapon; whence a machine (mid 17th century), used commonly later in combinations such as steam engine, internal combustion engine .

So cunning to a tool or weapon to mechanical combustion. I believe that the term Zelator (in A'A; he who must master pranayama) was the name used for the alchemist's assistant who pumped air and stoked the flames? The steam engine was a development of the pumping machines used to drain water from mines.

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Shiva: "Shiva comments: Yes, Yes, Okay, we know that Chapter III can be (and often is) applied to the inner world (the so-called Mystical Path). It can also be (and often is) applied to the outer world (the so-called Magic[k]al Path). The outer application is clearly implied, in that there is reference to physical plane object and actions."

Yes, "the inner world (the so-called Mystical Path)"-application of AC's The Book of the Law's Chapter III, is covered by me in my REPLY #102766, earlier above in this thread: "RHK is within this current time period of self-realization, a symbol for one’s own “silent self” (one’s own interior teacher or inner guru), according to AC’s designs with his BOTL." (It might be more correct that RHK is a symbol for the active or outward directed aspect(-s) pertaining to every one of us on an individual basis, according to AC's designs with his The Book of the Law.)

And, yes, again, "the outer world (the so-called Magic[k]al Path)"-application of AC's The Book of the Law's Chapter III, is covered by me in my REPLY #102767, earlier above in this thread: "If we have the power to release it, our own so-called “silent self” will spring lustily forth with its “cry of Battle, the Word of our True Wills.”, according to AC’s New Comment to “Behold! it is revealed by Aiwass the minister of Hoor-paar-kraat (I:7).”"

Shiva: "The inner and outer worlds are ideally a reflection, a mirror image, of each other. But this is hardly ever the case, except in the case of a high-ranking adept (truly earned and not so ranked by a piece of paper or an external ceremony of initiation)."

Yes, and this corresponds with the following quote from AC, quoted only in part by me within my REPLY #102766, earlier above in this thread (the part I did not quote in that reply is emphasised):

"The whole man, from his inmost Godhead to the tip of his tiniest eye-lash, must be one engine, cumbered with nothing useless, nothing inharmonious; a thunderbolt from the hand of Jove."

Shiva: "These statements do not negate your position and points (p.’.p.’.), but careful scrutiny shows that you are, in some cases, connecting invisible dots with disappearing ink."

belmurru's REPLY #102658 to this thread, refers to Colin Wilson's Aleister Crowley: The Nature of the Beast, (Aquarian Press, 1987) pp. 36-38, where Colin states that "When Crowley is reticent in the Confessions, it is usually on account of the censor ...".

A person who claimed to have the power to call up spirits, or foretell the future, or cast spells, or discover the whereabouts of stolen goods, was to be punished as a vagrant and a con artist, according to the Witchcraft Act of 1735. This Act remained in force in Britain well into the 20th century, until its eventual repeal with the enactment of the Fraudulent Mediums Act of 1951.
Male homosexual acts were a punishable offence in all of Britain, until 1967.

The just mentioned legal conditions remaning in force during AC's lifetime, where serious impediments against him writing openly about any sex magic(k) acts or homosexual acts, with respect to the origins of his The Book of the Law.


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Oooops, correction: "The just mentioned legal conditions remaning in force during AC’s lifetime, were serious impediments against him writing openly about any sex magic(k) acts or homosexual acts, with respect to the origins of his The Book of the Law."


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WRWB: A person who claimed to have the power to call up spirits, or foretell the future, or cast spells, or discover the whereabouts of stolen goods, was to be punished as a vagrant and a con artist, according to the Witchcraft Act of 1735. This Act remained in force in Britain well into the 20th century, until its eventual repeal with the enactment of the Fraudulent Mediums Act of 1951.

Very interesting. This Act is truly representative of the dark ages of the Osirian era, and is still preserved in the minds of hardcore Christians everywhere.

Let's remember that the Aeon of Osiris was not actually ruled by Asar/Osiris, on the planetary surface, but by Set/Seth, the brother of Osiris who murdered the king. Sure, Osiris was resurrected by the Gang of Four (Isis, Nepthys, Thoth, Anubis) , but only for a short time on the planet's surface, because he then went into the Tuat where he governed his Aeon from the subterranean Hall of Ma'at, where he pronounced Judgment on dead people. This, of course, is the source of the Jesus myth, wherein Jesus rose again for a short time, but then ascended into heaven, where he will judge all the dead people at The Final Judgment.

Whether one goes up or down after death, Osiris/Jesus will be waiting for you, and you better have your pants zipped up properly or its either devourment by the monster Ammit, or consignment to Hell.

Fortunately for the wealthy, they could always BUY an indulgence, and thus be free from punishment. This was the biggest con game of the past 2000 years.

Meanwhile, up on the surface, who was ruling? Why it was Set, who had usurped his brother's throne, but who carried on under the false mask of pre-mortem Osiris, who was a benevolent and beloved ruler.

Time passed ... and Horus came into maturity, taking the Throne in the East (in 1904). Set was really pissed-off about that, and so the battle 'twixt Horus and Set commenced, not as a myth, but as an expression of life on Planet Earth. Check the daily news for the details as the struggle continues.

The above tale, a mixture of legend and Shiva-interpretation, gives background information to the line ...

3. Now let it be first understood that I am a god of War and of Vengeance. I shall deal hardly with them.

The war-god operates out of the Citadel of Geburah, and it's good to keep that in mind when assessing AL, Chapter III. Vengeance? Why the Horus-Set battle is all about revenge against Set for the murder of Osiris and (incidentally) all the other dirty tricks he manifested.

Psst! Hey you! Wanna buy an indulgence before it's too late? Only one bubble-inflated Bitcoin.


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Shiva: "The above tale, a mixture of legend and Shiva-interpretation, gives background information to the line …

3. Now let it be first understood that I am a god of War and of Vengeance. I shall deal hardly with them.

The war-god operates out of the Citadel of Geburah, and it’s good to keep that in mind when assessing AL, Chapter III. Vengeance? Why the Horus-Set battle is all about revenge against Set for the murder of Osiris and (incidentally) all the other dirty tricks he manifested."

Very fascinating.

An U.S. Psychological operations Intelligence Officer, embarked on a ritual intent on asking Satan for advice on what to do next after having left Church of Satan. And according to the foundation myth of Temple of Set, at Midsummer 1975, Satan appeared and revealed that he wanted to be known by his true name, Set, which had been the name used by his worshippers in ancient Egypt.

This U.S. PSYOP Intelligence Officer then produced a religious text, The Book of Coming Forth by Night, which he alleged was revealed to him by Set through a process of automatic writing. Among what was allegedly revealed by Set in this book, is the solution to 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L from Crowley's The Book of the Law.

In making reference to Crowley's The Book of the Law, the religious text, The Book of Coming Forth by Night, written by the founder of Temple of Set, presents the latter as being as much Crowley's heir as the heir of the founder of Church of Satan (Anton LaVey), and his work would engage with Crowley's writings and beliefs to a far greater extent than LaVey ever did.

Shiva: "3. Now let it be first understood that I am a god of War and of Vengeance. I shall deal hardly with them.

The war-god operates out of the Citadel of Geburah, and it’s good to keep that in mind when assessing AL, Chapter III. Vengeance? Why the Horus-Set battle is all about revenge against Set for the murder of Osiris and (incidentally) all the other dirty tricks he manifested."

The above mentioned founder of Temple of Set, has with respect to war written a book titled MindWar:

"“MindWar is the psychological and psychophysiological conditioning of all participants in a sociopolitical problem, first to cooperatively stabilize it without recourse to violence, then to eliminate its basis by the creation of a moral community to supersede it.”

In other words, MindWar takes two or more opposing groups and redirects their aggression towards one another and channels that anger towards the problem bedeviling all sides. Make the problem the enemy, not each other. It achieves this by a host of means including conditioning of all parties by conscious and subconscious tools such as colors, shapes, ionization, chronobiology, magnetism, hypnotism and even magic to name just a few techniques. [...] the central kernel of MindWar, [...] is avoiding physical war by having all camps recognize the problem is the enemy and not each other ... . [...] MindWar is supposed to be a systematic approach to conflict resolution that is carried out with a set of phases and considers the breakout of physical war as a failure of MindWar. (Source: A New Dispensation: What I Learned by Reading Dr. Michael Aquino’s MindWar (Part 1), Posted By: Salvadore Ritchie Dec 7, 2015: http://disinfo.com/2015/12/a-new-dispensation-what-i-learned-by-reading-dr-michael-aquinos-mindwar-part-1/).

"[Colin] Wilson had railed against the sense of doom and despondency that characterised European cultural thought. It led to people feeling passive, insignificant, and unable to lead a happy life or make a difference in the world. Colin Wilson considered this to be a fundamentally flawed and dangerous attitude. It could be summarised in the modern world as the “everything’s bollocks, let’s get the beers in” syndrome that I had even seen in evidence in university professors. Maslow told a story about how he had once asked one of his student classes which one of them would make significant contributions in their field in the future. None had raised their hands. “If not you, who will?” They got his point. [...] Eventually Colin Wilson wrote one of his most important works, New Pathways in Psychology, on “Maslow and the Post-Freudian Revolution.” Where Wilson diverged from Maslow was in his belief that we don’t have to wait for the peak experiences. We have many ways to cultivate them as part of intentional self-actualisation, a kind of new existentialism. The study of the psychology of health and sanity should form a vital part of any education." (Source: Peak Experiences & New Existentialism: Maslow & Colin Wilson Posted on July 22, 2011 by Paul. An extract from the section The Psychology of Thelema in Paul Weston's Aleister Crowley and the Aeon of Horus --- http://www.paulwestonglastonbury.com/peak-experiences-new-existentialism-maslow-colin-wilson/).

According to AC’s designs with his The Book of the Law, we are all now within a current time period of self-realization. And with respect to this time period, can both MindWar which is supposed to be a systematic approach to conflict resolution, and the "intentional self-actualisation, a kind of new existentialism" that Colin Wilson was an advocate for, be of benefit?


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WRWB: According to AC’s designs with his The Book of the Law, we are all now within a current time period of self-realization. And with respect to this time period, can both MindWar which is supposed to be a systematic approach to conflict resolution, and the “intentional self-actualisation ...

According to AC's other comments (specifically in The Book of Thoth), general astrological knowledge, the way things (eras, seasons, stages in life, etc) change, and my own viewpoint, we are, right now, in the middle of a transition period; said periods are usually designated as 200-250 years.

It is my opinion that humanity is now struggling internally to perceive and adjust to the change in aeons, and to move away from superstition and move towards (yes) self-realization. Externally, the feces is in the oscillator, and many think WW3 has already begun.

As the aeon develops, Horus (the Self) and Set (the unconscious id) will still be at war, and the nations/religions/economies will still be competing with each other. The end of the aeon should* see a realization that Horus and Set are one and the same ... but that is only realized at a very advanced level of consciousness wherein duality is balanced. Balanced, get it? That would bring about the long-awaited Aeon of Maat ... ruled by Hrumachis, "Horus on the Horizon."

* "Thou shalt not should upon thy self or others."

In fact, all of the Horus-Set legends tell the same tale of murder, magical resurrection, and revengeful conflict. But the ending varies according to which ancient scribe one is reading. For example, in one case, Set is almost defeated, but he crawls into a hole in the ground in order to avoid death; Horus then disguises himself as a pole planted next to the hole in order to watch and make sure Set doesn't creep out again. There are several other endings, but I haven't read even one that depicts the death of Set.

These points have been discussed in length in another thread (Aeon of Maat). Most advanced thinkers, including 93% of LAShTAL posters and maybe 33% of lurking readers in hidden attendance, seem to concur in the idea that any given individual, or any given tribe, nation, or religion, may already be at "Maat consciousness," and even after Hrumachis takes his Seat in the East, there will probably still be some folks who are still stuck in Set worship. The cited % figures are approximations, and should not be used when trading on Stock Exchanges or when visiting Gambling Casinos.

Our current series of aeons all fall within Kali Yuga, which started circa 3000 BC, which is also the general beginning of our recorded history ... and that really long era is ruled by greed. Note that this Kali (Yuga) is ruled by the demon kali, and not the goddess Kali who is in a way similar to, or equivalent to, Babalon. So all this philosophical prognostication will take place after we are all dead.

In terms of MindWar, most advances thinkers seem to agree that we are now up against a war on the mental plane ... with the battles on the physical plane being a reflection of mental struggles. Multiple sources (not cited at this time) say that the war has already been won on the higher mental plane (Tiphareth and above), and that it is now being waged on the lower mental plane (Hod-Netzach, with a little Yesod thrown in).


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Shiva: "As the aeon develops, Horus (the Self) and Set (the unconscious id) will still be at war, and the nations/religions/economies will still be competing with each other. The end of the aeon should* see a realization that Horus and Set are one and the same … but that is only realized at a very advanced level of consciousness wherein duality is balanced. Balanced, get it? That would bring about the long-awaited Aeon of Maat … ruled by Hrumachis, “Horus on the Horizon.”

* “Thou shalt not should upon thy self or others.”"

"The word that most comes to mind when I think of MindWar as a whole is balance. It’s emphasis on balance if not blatantly stated is implied on all topics discussed. Inside this balance is a single guiding principle of the entire book. This nucleus revolves around the “thought process” that physical war or PW has become too costly and too deadly. We are at a crossroads so to speak and can only go only one of two ways. The first is the de Sade route. “If de Sade correctly asserted the human race to be motivated by and committed to its self-destruction,” then our future is in dire circumstances. The second route is the Lincoln route, which appeals to the “better angels of our nature.”" (Source: A New Dispensation: What I Learned by Reading Dr. Michael Aquino’s MindWar (Part 1), Posted By: Salvadore Ritchie Dec 7, 2015: http://disinfo.com/2015/12/a-new-dispensation-what-i-learned-by-reading-dr-michael-aquinos-mindwar-part-1/)

As the creator of the mentioned MindWar, Dr. Michael Aquino, a retired U.S. PSYOP Intelligence Officer, and founder of Temple of Set, in his work have engage with Crowley’s writings, he might be familiar with that "The end of the aeon", will involve "a very advanced level of consciousness wherein duality is balanced."?


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@dom Reply #102745 on Dec 15th at 9:19pm:

“But I’m puzzled — I thought he & his fellow cohorts were identified as being the “wreckers” of civilization!?!”
---“Identified” Interesting word that. Identified by whom?

Identified by the shockable Tory MP Nicholas Fairbarn as such, in describing COUM Transmission's (the performance art collective associated with throbbing gristle, cosi fani tutte and mr p-orridge) infamous exhibition of themselves at the Institute of Contemporary Art, London in 1976, that's whom.
It's also the name of a fascinating and highly recommended (and now because of scarcity pretty highly expensive as well) account of their entertaining high jinks & antics by one Simon Ford. Google away my friend, google away & viddy well...

@Shiva Reply #102747 Dec 16th at 1:09pm:

“Yoga is war isn't it? Magick and yoga are lovers … figure it out.”
---Yeah Jamie, figure it out. But don’t you dare ask for clarification. And never again ask a rational question and expect a rational answer!

No, I won't (he added meekly, complicitly shaking his head)

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In terms of MindWar, most advances thinkers seem to agree that we are now up against a war on the mental plane … with the battles on the physical plane being a reflection of mental struggles. Multiple sources (not cited at this time) say that the war has already been won on the higher mental plane (Tiphareth and above), and that it is now being waged on the lower mental plane (Hod-Netzach, with a little Yesod thrown in).

@Shiva

Maybe all this is just in your head? Do you ever stop to consider that?

How do you conclude that the present mass "war on the mental plane" (?) (and the apparent "battles on the physical plane" are different to any other wars or situations in history?

You seem to enjoy finding your own trends and patterns within linear time but you completely miss the basic fact that the history of humanity is totally and utterly peppered with wars, battles and invasions. In other words ...back up your theories with fact.

Everyone's "id" is at war with their "self".

What does this even mean?

Oh and @wellread; 5m20s in here's your man Aquino boasting about his admiration for the SS!

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Don't tell Ignant he may start thinking you've gone off the deep end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GI8XThaJrk

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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I, wellreadwellbred, wrote: "my point is that it is claimed within this book [= Crowley's The Book of the Law] that one can transcend at will, the apparent divided state of manifest existence."

Jamie J Barter comments: "Noted."

I, wellreadwellbred, wrote: "My point is that doing “thy will” “with thy all” can spontaneously occure, and can spontaneously be done, without the one doing it being consciously aware of it (in advance) […]and still have a so-called “mundane consciousness” […]"

Jamie J Barter comments: "Ditto noted well. Incidentally again, I was not disputing the possibility of this happening. In fact it’s quite a common view that we are all actually carrying out our “true will” all the time in this manner; that the trouble only begins when one starts to ‘think’ about it." (Source: Jamie J Barter's RELY #102598 in the thread titled Is the Sidereal Zodiac, compatible with ‘Thelemic time’ or ‘Thelemic calendar’? --- https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/is-the-sidereal-zodiac-compatible-with-thelemic-time-or-thelemic-calendar/page/4/#post-102598)

As covered earlier in this thread (my REPLY #102788, on page 5), Colin Wilson diverged from Maslow in his belief that we don’t have to wait for the peak experiences. Colin Wilson was an advocate for that we have many ways to cultivate them as part of intentional self-actualisation, a kind of new existentialism.

But this kind of intentional self-actualisation that Colin Wilson was an advocate for, might also be hindered by something resembling what Jamie J Barter mentioned about the trouble only beginning when one starts to ‘think’ about carrying out one's “true will”, instead of just actually carrying out one's “true will”.

The advantage of thinking - in the sense of systematic thinking - is on the other side obvius with respect to MindWar, as it is supposed to be a systematic approach to conflict resolution.


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D: Maybe all this is just in your head?

Of course it is. That's where my brain is located. Of course, the (anyone's) brain is merely a receiver that draws in such thoughts from the mental sphere ... but so what? It's ALL in my (your/his/her) head.

D: Do you ever stop to consider that?

Of course. Otherwise my reply above could not have been written in the fashion it was.

D: You seem to enjoy finding your own trends and patterns within linear time ...

My own? Hardly. There are trends and patterns disclosed by people other than AC, Los, and Erwin. Time is only linear for people below a certain level, such as yourself.

D; ... but you completely miss the basic fact that the history of humanity is totally and utterly peppered with wars, battles and invasions.

That's right, lotsa historical wars. I have not missed anything. See here, the progression is/was: Lemurian struggles were fought on the physical plane, without much (any?) emotion or thought. My dog sees a lizard and he attacks without being happy or sad, and without hesitating to think about it. So did your remote ancestors. See: First neurocircuit.

The great war of Atlantis was fought primarily on the astral plane, which is the realm of emotion. Many people wade into a fist-fight (or war) due to their anger or territorialism. They don't stop to think about it. In some cases they are feeble-minded and physically weak ... yet they wade in. So did your remote ancestors. See 2nd neurocircuit.

WRWB has introduced someone else's term (MindWar) and it fits our modern times rather nicely. The author's admiration for the SS is irrelevant. Those German dudes were building a-bombs and flying saucers. They perfected (sort of) rocketry. We may or may not agree with their metholology in human relations, but we surely did gobbled up their science and scientists after they got their butts kicked by Patton, et al. It's all in his/my/your head ... you are correct.

D: In other words …back up your theories with fact.

Say, you're not telling me what to do, are you?

You are losing the MindWar. For one thing, a theory is a theory, not a known fact. If my theories were backed up with facts, then they wouldn't be theories, they would be facts. There aren't many facts supporting anything prior to 3000 BC, except monolithic structures that prove the existence of civilization(s) previous to our own, that had some sort of technology superior to what we have today. See Graham Hancock for the details. See the Akashic Records, otherwise known as the 6th neurocircuit.

I believe (no facts, m'am) that it was you who introduced the neurocircuit "theory" in some other thread, yet you never budge from your fixed and crystallized position in the 3rd (mental-dexterity) and 4th (cultural programming) circuits. If anybody cites their experiences in a circuit above the number 4, you start Los-parroting. This suggests that you have taken no imprint in circuits 5,6,7 or 8, and therefore you are competent (to a certain degree) in linear thinking and cultural bias, but are persona non grata in matters of higher consciousness.

This psychoanalysis has been brought to you free of charge or obligation.

D: Everyone’s “id” is at war with their “self”.

This is an untrue statement. Any Dominus Liminis who has passed through Paroketh has settled the id-angel struggle. Again, your statement indicates which circuit(s) you are operating from. You are hereby found "wanting" and we wish you the best of luck in your MindWar.

So that I do not appear to be "high & mighty," it should be stated that LAShTAL is not a collection of Adepti & Magisteri, but members of the Outer College are welcome, and even stray wanderers from the general public can come in here and read and/or post. Regardless of that fact, you are presently the prime example of someone who is stuck in their mind. The lower, rational, linear mind that is. You don't seem to have grasped the "fact" that the goal is to transcend the mind ... even the higher/abstract mind of the Akashic Records. It's called "gnosis" (jnani).


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Oh and @wellread; 5m20s in here’s your man Aquino boasting about his admiration for the SS!

I only heard him describe a dagger owned by Heinrich Himmler and a ritual he did in the Hall of the Dead and a narrator that describes Heinrich Himmler’s occult view of an (evil) magic that could create a master race. But I could not find footage of Aquino boasting about his admiration for the SS .


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@shiva

Boy o boy.

Those German dudes were building a-bombs and flying saucers

Hehuehah. None of their crafts left the earth's gravity-field mate. Sure they may've been working on something that was disk-shaped yeah but they did not launch flying machines anywhere other than our atmosphere.

Flying saucers!

So that I do not appear to be “high & mighty,” it should be stated that LAShTAL is not a collection of Adepti & Magisteri, but members of the Outer College are welcome, and even stray wanderers from the general public can come in here and read and/or post. Regardless of that fact, you are presently the prime example of someone who is stuck in their mind. The lower, rational, linear mind that is. You don’t seem to have grasped the “fact” that the goal is to transcend the mind … even the higher/abstract mind of the Akashic Records. It’s called “gnosis” (jnani).

The person who formulated the 8 brain circuit model was a die-hard materialist. That's why he wanted cryogenics to advance because he hated the fact that reincarnation theories can't be backed up with any evidence. You are using his model to explain these theories. He would've judged you as a wacko or a religionist.

There is no way you could know if I was a "higher" (?) "adept" than you or anyone else here. Maybe I open up my neuratomic circuit any time I want at will. How would you know otherwise? I'd have to use my 3rd circuit to convey any extra terrestrial circuit experience to you anyway, wouldn't I? <Chuckle> Any apparent ESP activity going on between us would have to be formulated by reason also. You've fallen into the common pit of assuming that anyone who analyses religiosity or wacko psychedelic statements is a party-pooping stodgy square-head headmaster come to spoil the fun.

Why is it when you get on an Atlantis/kali-yuga soapbox none of the other "high adepts" here seem to back you up? It's like they slowly walk away and let you have your episode man. When it's over they come back to you.

You are so cock sure about this pre-human megalith/advanced civilization thing and you are trying to amputate your "3rd circuit" when in fact you come to your Lemuria-Atlantis conclusions by using your 3rd circuit. You've absorbed the Von Daniken/Hancock and F knows what else via your 3rd circuit <guffaw>

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It’s like they slowly walk away and let you have your episode man.

Ever observed what happens when YOU get on your soapbox, like when you ranted on earlier in this thread about "wackos" who have the temerity to accept things that you regard as impossible. Well, we used to argue with you, but now we mostly "slowly walk away and let you have your episode".

Shiva doesn't need my support, or anybody else's for that matter; he's well able to look after himself. Personally I'm not interested in Leary, and thus glaze over when he pops up in conversation.


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The person who formulated the 8 brain circuit model [Tim Leary] was a die-hard materialist.

Says the person who thinks the same thing about Crowley!

Leary was indeed a "die-hard materialist" before he first took psychedelics.

We are off to the races again, it seems.

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D: None of their crafts left the earth’s gravity-field mate. Sure they may’ve been working on something that was disk-shaped yeah but they did not launch flying machines anywhere other than our atmosphere.

I said absolutely nothing about extraterrestrial ships. I said they were "working on them" and an a-bomb. As far as I know, none of this came to fruition. However, we (the USA) grabbed (some of) their scientists and we continued the work. Now everybody has rockets and nukes. The developments in North Korea are particularly interesting and scary.

There is no way you could know if I was a “higher” (?) “adept” than you or anyone else here.

It's not a matter of comparing you to me or any other. Your verbal output classifies you at a sphere no higher than Hod. Your general emotional output classifies you at less than Yesod. Of course, you could be a Magus, pretending to be mentally stuck in the lower realms. You are correct, "There is no way" to know. I am judging a book by its Los-cover and the words and ideas expressed therein.

I am referring to the Leary-Wilson [LW] description of the circuits. I dunno who first formulated it/them and don't care. The LW model(s) correlate with the Tree of Life; that's enough for me.

You are so cock sure about this pre-human megalith/advanced civilization thing ...

Pre-human? I said nothing about pre-human. Perhaps prehistoric, or primitive, humans would fit the ticket.

I will ignore your rambling about my 3rd circuit, because your own 3rd is obviously short-circuited (see how you have used extraterrestrial and pre-human words to describe what I never said?

Von Daniken admitted he made up a lot of his stuff. Hancock's work was rather scientific, loaded with photos and othertypes of "proof."

MS: Ever observed what happens when YOU get on your soapbox, like when you ranted on earlier in this thread about “wackos” who have the temerity to accept things that you regard as impossible. Well, we used to argue with you, but now we mostly “slowly walk away and let you have your episode”.

Well put. If I had something better to do (which I sometimes do), I would easily walk away.

Shiva doesn’t need my support, or anybody else’s for that matter; he’s well able to look after himself.

This is correct. I don't need a gang or back-up when I have nothing better to do than sit back and poke pointy sticks into linear mental logic that is the enemy of Magick. The Los-Dom School of Legally-ordained Proof, located at Hod, is valuable when organizing a disordered mind, but it has to be left behind for dhyanic and samadhic results. One probably needs to use it to perform The Labor of Preparation, but it will block any results during an Invocation.

The soapbox I often stand on is called the Akashic Records. Ultimately, even that stuff (which can be viewed on one's inner screen) is to be dismissed as illusion, but in the meanwhile, it can be carved into pointy sticks that can be used to pop crystallized mental balloons, without proof.

Personally, I find people's memory of past lives (including my own) to be genetically-inherited memories. It doesn't really matter whether it's reincarnation or DNA, does it? We're still responsible for the so-called karma.

Ig: Leary was indeed a “die-hard materialist” before he first took psychedelics.

Oh, "the person" Dom mentioned was Leary? Yes, I thought he formulated the 8 circuits, but it seemed like Dom was describing some other person that pre-dated Leary. The Leary I met and knew was certainly not a die-hard materialist.

You are correct. A touch of acid opened his extraterrestrial (there, I used that word) circuits. He changed his mind about things, didn't he?


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There is no way you could know if I was a “higher” (?) “adept” than you or anyone else here.

What's in Shiva’s head makes it outside his head and displays a bandwidth from an exalted range of awareness .

Whats in dom’s head displays just the run of the mill .

Figure it out


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@Shiva

You don't have to tutor me on Hancock, the earth's apparent 25 century precessional wobble, Stonehenge, Oannes, Nibiru, Giza, the Elohim of the Old Testament, the Mayan "long count" calendar, the Fisher kings, the Black Madonnas of southern France, the Grail, Glastonbury, the Templars and Edgar Cayce etc. I know all about his theories which smack of confirmation bias, bad science and pattern-finding. He's just a bookseller an artist not a scientist. We all need to get that feeling now and again that e.g vampires and wererwolves may really exist. Cool, nothing wrong with a bit of fantasy and an opening of mundane entrapments now and again, it's art..fantasy but c'mon... you're among adults here..

Well..............

@Michael Staley

Shiva doesn’t need my support, or anybody else’s for that matter; he’s well able to look after himself. Personally I’m not interested in Leary, and thus glaze over when he pops up in conversation.

No Michael we're talking about Atlantis and Lemuria here. You're not interested in how Shiva's blanket statements about lost advanced civilizations that tutored the embryonic Sumerian and Egyptian cultures? He's talking as if he was there and his view is that there's something wrong with me because I'm asking for a bit of evidence. It's religion y'know like how the Roman Church displayed the relics of saints' bones.

@ignant666

Leary was indeed a “die-hard materialist” before he first took psychedelics

Back to the drugs=truth angle huh? Drug experiences are..... experiences. Now I know they may be very intoxicating but so what? Drugs don't prove shit.

Leary even talked about how psychology's use of the term "ego" was "metaphysical jabberwocky". I already explained Leary's (and RAWilson's) disdain for reincarnation. Sure, sticking to the scientific method meant they were open to the possibilities of wackiness however they would've demanded evidence. Ignant what's your take on Shiva's Lemuria/Atlantis/kali-yuga hobby-horse?

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@dom
It doesn’t matter whether you are incapable of evoking the Lemurian, Atlantean, or sixth root race etc,
You can still try to understand what Shiva is saying .
You might want to get your atheism straight as well .


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dom (first post in this thread): "Colin Wilson’s “Aleister Crowley: The Nature of the Beast“. A document of a well balanced perspective or a prejudiced and opinionated critique by an ignoramus?"

The term ignoramus (an ignorant or stupid person) fits neither Colin Wilson (1931 - 2013) nor Michael A. Aquino (1946 - ). Both of them demonstrates reservation with respect to Aleister Crowley's writings. Colin Wilson does this (in his biography about Aleister Crowley, The Nature of the Beast) by suggesting that Crowley’s mentality was unhealthy resulting perhaps from brain damage (thus indicating that Crowley's writings are the product of an unhealthy mentality). Michael A. Aquino does this by stating that much of Crowley's writings are not of much use, as they are the product of Crowley's scrambled thought processes, due to Crowley very actively indulging himself in the use of drugs. Michael A. Aquino does also state that "MindWars does not involve any kind of scrambling of the human thought processes at all. It can't, it needs to keep everything under control and it needs to keep the conscious mind completely conscious, so that when you have a personality that is maximized for its intelligence and its creativety and its cooperativeness, that you can bring that active decision-making function of the brain to bear on the problem. You don't do that by scrambling people's brains or by hallucinating." (Source: 36m12s in MindWars and the Temple of Set with Michael A. Aquino --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0EN65XLv94).


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@"wellread"

Michael A. Aquino does also state that “MindWars does not involve any kind of scrambling of the human thought processes at all. It can’t, it needs to keep everything under control and it needs to keep the conscious mind completely conscious, so that when you have a personality that is maximized for its intelligence and its creativety and its cooperativeness, that you can bring that active decision-making function of the brain to bear on the problem. You don’t do that by scrambling people’s brains or by hallucinating.” (Source: 36m12s in MindWars and the Temple of Set with Michael A. Aquino — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0EN65XLv94).

Michael A. Aquino does this by stating that much of Crowley’s writings are not of much use, as they are the product of Crowley’s scrambled thought processes, due to Crowley very actively indulging himself in the use of drugs

Is this guy similar to the other Temple of Set guy Nikolas Shreck? Shreck was an openly Nazi-admiring ("Satanic") puritan who got all moral and judgemental when he discussed people doing things like taking psychedelics or mixing with non-white people so if Aquino is akin to Shreck then it would be no surprise that Aquino would be trying to frame Crowley as a drug addled irrelevance.

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I have no knowledge about "the other Temple of Set guy Nikolas Shreck". Michael A. Aquino talks about how and why he founded The Temple of Set, and the core matters of its teachings,
in this interview available on youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5HamZ4cd-Y --- Dr. Michael Aquino, Founder of the Temple of Set on KHPR.


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D: Shreck was an openly Nazi-admiring (“Satanic”) puritan ...

As often occurs, I am unable to insert an image. So I guess I'll just walk away from my selected pic and go directly to Shreck ...

.shreck


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HAHHA

.....anyway, Shiva, remember the countdown to the Mayan Apocalypse which was meant to be 21st December 2012?

Nothing happened did it?. Actually strictly speaking, something did happen in that the New Age movement admitted that they got it wrong and came up with yet another future date.

Goal post shifting?

Then again was it all happening on the astral plane?

More importantly, what does knowledge of these Graham Hancock theories of lost civilizations have to do with Thelema, Liber Al and finding one's True Will?

In fact this needs a totally separate thread.

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/atlantis-lost-civilizations-precession-hancock-and-thelema/

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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D: …..anyway, Shiva, remember the countdown to the Mayan Apocalypse which was meant to be 21st December 2012?

Oh, Yes!

Nothing happened did it?

If you will search carefully through the forums, you will find what I predicted BEFORE that date arrived. Oh, don't bother, I'll tell you right here ...

I wrote: "NOTHING will happen."

It's the same old story with (1) When the aliens will arrive to take us away (a very popular theme, repeated over and over by different pundits and groups), (2) When the big catastrophe (earthquakes, etc) will strike - they never do (except in one case that was very funny, but true! ).

I hold (almost) all such predictions to be nonsense, so there's no use in you preaching to the choir.

More importantly, what does knowledge of these Graham Hancock theories of lost civilizations have to do with Thelema, Liber Al and finding one’s True Will?

Check your Magical Memory. You might find some involvement by yourself in a previous life, or by an ancestor who contributed to your DNA - if so, you've got that karma to balance. If not, forget it and move on.


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    Actually when I was a child I read about the city of Karnak (in a Marvel comic)and i sort of "knew" that it held great spiritual significance for me, that it would lead to knowledge, great knowledge for me. I knew absolutely nothing about ancient Egypt.

    Sometimes I have had experiences, usually in late afternoon on a clear day where I "know" that I existed in ancient Egypt.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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The reason dom/david is so hard on all he imagines to be woo-woo, fluffy-minded-occultist nonsense is that, in his secret heart, he is... a fluffy-minded-occultist susceptible to woo-woo nonsense.


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He probably hasn’t figured out that there might be better things to spend his time and energy on .


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dom: An "... other Temple of Set guy [...] was [...] [a] puritan who got all moral and judgemental when he discussed people doing things like taking psychedelics [...] ... ."

Colin Wilson claimed that some psychedelic drugs could have beneficial effects: "The effects of mescalin or LSD can be, in some respects, far more satisfying than those of alcohol. To begin with, they last longer; they also leave behind no hangover, and leave the mental faculties clear and unimpaired. They stimulate the faculties and produce the ideal ground for a peak experience. Colin Wilson in Introduction to the New Existentialism. p. 88 (1966)". (Source: Drugs - https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Drugs & https://byondmotivation.wordpress.com/beyond-motivation/contents/appendices/reference-publications/introduction-to-the-new-existentialism-colin-wilson/).

Michael A. Aquino appears to frown upon drug use, despite him with his supposed reception from Set of "The Book Of The Coming Forth By Night", tracing the beginning of "The Aeon Of Set" "to 1904, when Set appeared to Aleister Crowley in Cairo, Egypt, in the image of his guardian angel, Aiwass, who declared Crowley the herald of the dawning of the age of Horus." (Source: THE PROCESS: THE FINAL JUDGEMENT BY R.N. TAYLOR - http://www.esoterra.org/process.htm): " ...Satanists generally frown upon drug use, and especially on drug *abuse* -- it interferes with your mental abilities, which is undesirable. Sex is up to the individual, but should be consensual (children and animals are usually considered unable to consent -- so are people being "forced into sex cults"). ...Most Satanic organizations I know won't touch a minor with a 10 foot pole without extensive documentation that the parents are aware of what's going on, and accepting of it. ...Animal sacrifice [is] very uncommon, if it exists at all nowadays." (Source: http://www.satanservice.org/theory/jashan-quotes.html)


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dom
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@wellread

Michael A. Aquino appears to frown upon drug use, despite him with his supposed reception from Set of “The Book Of The Coming Forth By Night”, tracing the beginning of “The Aeon Of Set” “to 1904, when Set appeared to Aleister Crowley in Cairo, Egypt, in the image of his guardian angel, Aiwass, who declared Crowley the herald of the dawning of the age of Horus.” (Source: THE PROCESS: THE FINAL JUDGEMENT BY R.N. TAYLOR – http://www.esoterra.org/process.htm): ” …Satanists generally frown upon drug use, and especially on drug *abuse* — it interferes with your mental abilities, which is undesirable. Sex is up to the individual, but should be consensual (children and animals are usually considered unable to consent — so a .............etc

I'm more interested in Thelema. You seem to be enamoured with this Aquino guy.

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https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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wellreadwellbred
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dom: "I’m more interested in Thelema. You seem to be enamoured with this Aquino guy."

Well, this guy being "consecrated by Set, as the second incarnation of the Beast 666 (as prophecised by Crowley in The Book Of The Law (source: THE PROCESS: THE FINAL JUDGEMENT BY R.N. TAYLOR – http://www.esoterra.org/process.htm) .", would make the teachings deriving from him, or through him, an updatet version of the Thelema you're more interested in.

Considering this as som kind of Merry Christmas day gift from Set, or not, is up to you.


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Alien Dawn (Michael Bertiaux)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQv0OLfi0z0

Nikolas Schreck found out about Set through Kenneth Grant; went to Egypt and Set talked to him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_BuevmmMmg


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