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james araman
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19/06/2019 1:03 am  

Does anyone know how to reach the U.K. based stele maker called Kingdom of Shadows. He used to sell on Etsy but has recently disappeared from that site. He used to make miniature Stele of Revealings.


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19/06/2019 3:49 am  

There has been a lot of fuss about Stele makers over the years. The usual scenario (the modus operandi) seems to be that some gifted artists started selling Steles. No problem there (except the one I cite below). Then we (LAShTALians) start getting posts about "Where's XYZ? I sent him money 6 months ago. He emailed his apology and said it would be forthcoming. No Stele. No more email responses. Sigh and doom."

Buying a Stele is like conducting an illicit deal in a dark alleyway.

It is my understanding that an initiate must make his own instruments and Stele. If you are crippled, or have no manual dexterity, or are blind (I'm halfway there), then outside assistance might be needed. In Solar Lodge, we had full-size photos in grayscale issued to every member. They were expected (but not required) to color it and seal it in glass or plexiglass. The following could be used: Colored pencils, colored markers (highlighters), paint of any kind.

Recently, I had a miniature Stele in a glass frame. I don't know where it is now, but that's not the point.

The point is, you must do your own work. Says so in Book 4. [image of Shiva thumping Book 4].

Some folks here disagree with me and 4 (4 and I). Of course, they will surely burn in hell for eternity. Oops, sorry. That slipped over from that other thread where hell is a major feature.

But then, maybe your not an initiate ... but simply a worshiper or an art collector. In that case, I encourage you onward with the admonition to be careful with your money. Paying ahead of the painting can be hazardous to your cache.

Even AC, who (in his higher aspect) wrote Book 4 was known to have chemists mix his Abramelin Oil, and approached drug companies for formulations of Mescaline. Well, we can't blame him for that last one; Mescaline is very, very hard to synthesize. I know. I tried it. Over and over. As my project in Organic Chemistry, back when Mescaline was legal. It didn't work. The specific gravity of my product didn't match that of Mescaline in the book. So I got a "B" instead of an "A" in Organic Chemistry ... and the professor was working right along with me.

Anyway, an aspiring magician is supposed to make his own stuff, as much as possible.

Pardons and Gesticulations, but I don't know anything about the source of your query, but I thought I should mention this minor point.


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20/06/2019 12:28 am  

Hello James,

I've checked KOS Etsy page and it appears they are taking a short break.
Being that you seem to have a problem connecting with them would you like
me to PM their contact email for orders?


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20/06/2019 1:47 am  

Anyone, anywhere in the whole wide world, even you, dear reader, may semi-instantly perform the abstruction of a copy of the Stele in locked glass, provided they 1) possess a cellphone, tablet, or computing device, and 2) know, dare, and will to click on the following links, about which i have failed to keep silent:


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20/06/2019 2:24 am  

I think the OP wanted to get one of those clay plastered on wood devices with hand-painted scenery and hieroglyphs. "Miniature" was also mentioned. It's hard to advise him what to do next because we don't knw exactly what or why he wants ... not that it's any business of ours.


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20/06/2019 2:36 am  

Yee Gads i clicked on em by accident


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Shiva
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20/06/2019 2:59 am  

T: Yee Gads i clicked on em by accident

Who are "em?" The Steles? The Stele Sellers? This thread? Please be more specific or we won't be able to you either.


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20/06/2019 4:33 am  

the thing that triggered
the magical glyph
writing
conjunction
https://images.app.goo.gl/zbagj4sRqh4QPUwV9


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Tiger
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20/06/2019 4:34 am  

and a vector image would be nice
for those AI inclined


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26/06/2019 12:51 am  

I recall I believe (the late?) Gary Dickinson IE The Magical Mandarin. His work was fantastic indeed.
I feel blessed to have 2 originals form him, one LAM painting in what seems like oil and acrylic and one Khephra RESH painting. Both proudly on me altar.
I wish someone of his quality would come on the scene again. His site is down now too.


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james araman
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26/06/2019 5:29 am  

Thanks for all your feedback. Kingdom of Shadows is back on ETSY. But I will approach with caution. Thanks Shiva for all your advice. I will try to be cautious.
James


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26/06/2019 5:29 pm  

ja: I will try to be cautious.

The best form of caution is to not pay upfront before the item is produced. That seems to be the major problem encountered by former victims: They pay upfront, the work never gets done, the email address disappears (or no response comes back), and puzzled puzzlement produces palpitations.


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The HGA of a Duck
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05/05/2020 2:03 pm  
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and a vector image would be nice
for those AI inclined

I plan on doing this there isn't one available already, its pretty easy to just trace over the image. I haven't found a very high quality source image so I'll just have to use what's available. Some of the details are hard to make out so there might have to be some "artistic license", for example its hard to see if Nuit is wearing a skirt or if there's a line showing her legs as separate (looks like a skirt to me). There is some "wonkiness" which I will leave as is rather than "fix" such as the floor that Nuit and Ankh F.N.K. are standing on. Any other suggestions are welcome as to how these little details should be shown.


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05/05/2020 6:00 pm  

Original Post on this thread ...

"19/06/2019 1:03 am  

Does anyone know how to reach the U.K. based stele maker called Kingdom of Shadows. He used to sell on Etsy but has recently disappeared from that site. He used to make miniature Stele of Revealings."


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06/05/2020 1:38 am  

@duck

Looking Forward !

 


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Posted by: @christibrany

I recall I believe (the late?) Gary Dickinson IE The Magical Mandarin. His work was fantastic indeed.
I feel blessed to have 2 originals form him, one LAM painting in what seems like oil and acrylic and one Khephra RESH painting. Both proudly on me altar.
I wish someone of his quality would come on the scene again. His site is down now too.

Gary is still alive but, unfortunately, does not produce Steles anymore. 


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07/05/2020 3:41 pm  

@azrael2393

 

I am glad he is still around!

Shame he doesn't produce artwork for purchase anymore, he does great work. 


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ignant666
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07/05/2020 4:17 pm  

I have one of his very nice silver "seal of Ankh-af-na-Khonsu" rings, unfortunately now somewhat mangled due to cutting it off a swollen infected finger with a garden implement. Certainly repairable, but cutting it off kinda put me off wearing rings besides my wedding ring.

He did good work, i wish him well, and am sorry to hear he's no longer making things.


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08/05/2020 10:40 pm  

@ignant666 Agreed, he did some really great stuff. I was introduced to the lovely Gary in the basement of Atlantis by Geraldine. Forthwith, I walked away with one of his fabulous stela which is suitably resplendent in my Qiblah 🙂 

93'z et al,

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09/05/2020 11:29 am  
Posted by: @tiger
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and a vector image would be nice
for those AI inclined

I plan on doing this there isn't one available already, its pretty easy to just trace over the image. I haven't found a very high quality source image so I'll just have to use what's available.

Looking forward to seeing this.

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09/05/2020 5:59 pm  

@tiger @lashtal

Its coming along though its taking a long time to meet my nerdily obsessive standards. 😛 Here's a preview, just about got Ankh f.n. K. done:

ankh
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I plan on doing this there isn't one available already

I meant to type "if there isn't one available". There may be one already but this one will be an "Open Source" version, I'll upload the file when I'm finished and then anyone can make any improvements they wish and then upload it again.

I've had a look at a few reproductions and they all use some "artistic licence", from what I can tell even Crowley's copy had some differences to the original. I'm trying to use as little of this "license" as possible to fill in the gaps due to the poor quality source image. Whenever I have to do this I'm browsing pics of Egyptian art to see what's the most likely way something would have been. I interpreted Ankh's weird little hat as cone-shaped and I had "invent" his ear. If anyone thinks these details are wrong let me know and I can correct them, Its easy to do. I'll probably change his hands a bit to show the fingers.

 

Here's Ankh in space:

ankh in space

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09/05/2020 6:35 pm  

I found a page with a bunch of pics someone took of the Stele, not the best quality but it shows some of the missing details. It seems Ankh may have hair, hard to say for sure. I wasn't far off with the ear but I got his eyebrow wrong.

https://imgur.com/a/gVt8A


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09/05/2020 6:36 pm  
Posted by: @lashtal
Posted by: @tiger
Posted by: @tiger

and a vector image would be nice
for those AI inclined

I plan on doing this there isn't one available already, its pretty easy to just trace over the image. I haven't found a very high quality source image so I'll just have to use what's available.

Looking forward to seeing this.

@lashtal @tiger I'm at it. Would you like a cleaned up version, where all the lines and hieroglyphs are "perfect" or a lineart copy of the original stele with all its faults?


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09/05/2020 6:52 pm  

@the_real_simon_iff

Will the universe blow up if you had both? 😲 


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09/05/2020 6:59 pm  

@duck, no but it takes longer to lineart the original, that's all. I'll probably do both, but would start with the one that is more looked for.

 


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09/05/2020 7:26 pm  

Oh, I see, that's cool. How exactly do you do this "lineart"?


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09/05/2020 7:33 pm  

@duck I am using the Adobe pipeline, which is part of my everyday work. It's a mixture of the Adobe pathfinding tool and drawing by hand. If I go for the "cleaned up" version I could add that most hieroglyphs already exist as .eps

 


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09/05/2020 8:08 pm  

@the_real_simon_iff

What source image are you using for the Stele? I can only seem to find poor quality ones.


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09/05/2020 8:24 pm  

@duck Since most online pics are terrible I used a scan of the pic that was delivered with the book "Cairo Stela 666" - not that it is much better

 


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09/05/2020 8:54 pm  

@the_real_simon_iff
a cleaned up version would be nice
looking forward to both
thanks !

@duck
looks like maybe an earpiece ?
Love the green pyramid cap
and also the star beeming from it
as well as the ear.

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09/05/2020 8:57 pm  

The earpiece doesn't exist.

grafik

I have no idea where this pic comes from (the one with the earpiece, not the one I just posted of course)

 


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09/05/2020 10:35 pm  

@the_real_simon_iff
photo's from
The Equinox Volume I No VII, 1992 edition
the one i have has an ear piece.

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09/05/2020 10:45 pm  
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10/05/2020 1:41 am  
Posted by: @tiger

photo's from
The Equinox Volume I No VII, 1992 edition
the one i have has an ear piece.

I think this is the replica Crowley had made (one of the "eye" hieroglyphs has a missing pupil).

I believe the "ear piece" is actually meant to be Ankh's "hairline", I've seen some reproductions where he has hair. I found a slightly more detailed pic of the original and enhanced it a bit:

ankh enhance

You can see another line above his eyebrow which could very well be his hairline, its hard to say for sure without seeing a proper high-res pic. I'm not sure how to interpret this, any suggestions are welcome.

 

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a cleaned up version, where all the lines and hieroglyphs are "perfect" or a lineart copy of the original stele with all its faults

If you haven't started yet I'd suggest doing the lineart one first as that's pretty unique and definitely beyond my abilities. I'm doing a "cleaned up" version though mine may be a bit different as I want to keep all the little "quirks" such as the little differences in 2 of the same hieroglyph. A "perfect" version such as using .eps files for the hieroglyphs like you suggest would also make a nice addition to the selection of Digital Steles.


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10/05/2020 6:57 pm  

I found this dude while browsing Egyptian art. He has a "hairline" but the colour of his hair is the same as the rest of his head, this may be meant to represent "shaved head with stubble on it". This could be the case with Ankh f.n.K.

hairline

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10/05/2020 10:09 pm  
Posted by: @duck

This could be the case with Ankh f.n.K.

A rather reasonable assumption.


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12/05/2020 12:02 am  

@duck @tiger @lashtal So my plan is to do a clean .eps both colored and as lineart only (for your coloring books) but still with the dirtiness and roughness of the aged original stele. Something like this:

grafik

I would go on in this way, if you think this is what you are looking for. Unfortunately (of course forutunately, but since working as a title designer in movie postproduction I have had work as hell since the beginning of the lockdown, due to the fact that I am a freelancer and many of my employed colleagues and concurrents have to work short-time. But of course since no-one is producing at the moment my troubles will be in a few weeks or months when there is simply nothing in post-production) I have quite a lot of work this week, so I can only spend limited time with it but until Friday it should be done. Tell me what you think and I will go on...

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12/05/2020 12:26 am  

@the_real_simon_iff
Awesome !
Thanks for you efforts !
Yes rough and accurate are good. That way those that might want to print it out at any size can do so.
A very clean version might be nice too; but secondary.

just my thoughts


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12/05/2020 1:50 am  
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Tell me what you think and I will go on...

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12/05/2020 3:29 am  

A related project I have started is to make a composite image of the Stele from the pics in the link I posted above. They just need to be perspective corrected and stuck together, and the colours enhanced. Its one way to get a higher res image until the Stele can be taken out of its display case and photographed properly. Here's a quick preview:

rhk preview

Not too bad compared to the versions I've seen online.

 

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

Tell me what you think and I will go on...

Let me know if you would like this high-res pic to use before you begin, I can get it done in a couple of days. It could make things a bit easier.


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Let me know if you would like this high-res pic to use before you begin, I can get it done in a couple of days. It could make things a bit easier.

@duck thanks! I will check tonight if it would help indeed.


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13/05/2020 5:55 am  

@the_real_simon_iff

I might have misunderstood what you meant by "Lineart", it may be what I have been doing anyway, I just didn't know the term. I'm using Inkscape, I just got RHK done:

rhk line

This may be almost the same as what you were going to do, I will get the front side of the Stele done in a couple of days. It sounded like you don't have much spare time to spend on this so if the result is going to be the same, your time might be better spent on doing the "perfect" version or you could do the reverse side. Of course don't let me stop you from going ahead with whatever you were going to do, the act of making a copy of the Stele can be a meditative practice of sorts.

 

As can be seen I left all the "quirks" in the images such as the "wonky" angles of RHK's throne and the irregularities in the tiles. Looking at the higher res images gives a bit more detail which suggests that some of RHK's fingers and toes are visible, so I've added them in. These could easily be taken out again if they look a bit "off".

 

rhk colour

edit: just noticed I messed up the colour of his bracelet and the wide rectangle should be light green not white, I need to go to bed. 😊 

 


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13/05/2020 6:35 am  
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"Lineart", it may be what I have been doing anyway

I did some of that a few years ago. Then I filled in the colors (without a "u"). But my meagre efforts were just a clean-up sort of thing. You guys are doing the complete restoration to what it was (should have been) in the artist's mind. This is a great project.

 


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13/05/2020 11:37 am  

Many moons ago there was a Stelemaker living in the Glastonbury area. There was a nice lifesized one for sale in the Gothic Image bookshop in the High Street, I recall several hundred pounds was asked.

After a couple of days/nights up on the Tor drumming with the hippies, I went back with the intention of haggling with them but it had been sold....


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14/05/2020 4:51 pm  

The composite image is taking some time to make but I think its worth it for the slight improvement in detail. Here's an example of "Hadit", it shows some green and yellow stripes, and little "chevrons" which weren't visible before.

had

 

Oh, and the artist appears to have made a little "mistake" by painting one of the lines over the right hand Uraeus cobra's tail.


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15/05/2020 12:23 am  

Good stuff !


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15/05/2020 7:15 am  
Posted by: @duck

The composite image is taking some time to make

Well, my little side project turned out to be pointless, I just found a high-res image of the Stele! 😀 

 

I will still complete the pic I was making, it was quite fun doing it. My vector image is coming along, I will post it when done.


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I will still complete the pic I was making, it was quite fun doing it.

Please do. We chid-mindren need something linear to scribble our crayons inside the lined boxes. Or is Iff doing the line stuff, and you the colors? I am confused, but it with all come out in the wash final presentation ... which is like the Last Judgment.

In any case, your efforts will be rewarded, because there's nothing like getting in there and doing the dirty work yourself. (As opposed to buying a pre-made artifact constructed by someone else.

I fished (Pisced) around in my files and found this COMPARISON of three versions. It is dated 25 May 2009, so that's the date I "compared" them ...

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Posted by: @shiva

Or is Iff doing the line stuff, and you the colors? I am confused, but it with all come out in the wash final presentation ... which is like the Last Judgment.

Sorry for the confusion. I had 2 projects on the go: doing a vector version (the lines), and making a composite image out of photos (now fairly pointless as I found a better photo anyway). I'll still complete both, the vector one first.

@the_real_simon_iff

If you wanted to make this a collaborative project, you could take care of all the hieroglyphs (including the "big" ones under Hadit, and those between RHK and Ankh f.n.K) I have the figures almost done (Hadit, Nuit, RHK, Ankh and the little bird). I can upload the .svg file and you can add it to yours. And don't worry, I am a big nerd when it comes to including the tiniest detail, though you can add even more if you think it needs it.


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