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Aleister Crowley's house is set to re-open to visitors but do you dare? – Scotsman comment

Would you dare set foot in the house that once belonged to “the Great Beast 666, Perabduro, Ankh-f-n-khonsu, the wickedest man in the world” aka occultist Aleister Crowley?

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/aleister-crowleys-house-set-re-open-visitors-do-you-dare-scotsman-comment-3054249


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And it has “no intention for the house to become a place of pilgrimage or ritual, nefarious or otherwise”.

And that’s a relief. 

So what about all the people wanting to flock to it hoping to find the "Kiblah", the omphalos of the New Aeon and the "force radiating" from it, as laid out in Reguli and elsewhere?  Will they be shown the (invisible) door?

Norma N Joy Conquest 


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I suppose that prior to booking the owners will ask the prospective holidaymaker, "Are you now OHYEB a supporter of any Thelemic order?" This question would come with the whispered warning, "BTW, if you answer YES to that then we won't let you stay."

You probably know this, but J Edgar Hoover believed that the FBI contained homosexual agents, and he wanted to be rid of them. He knew that if he simply asked his agents "Are you a homosexual?", they would simply say No.

Instead he sent round a questionnaire, and one of the questions was "Have you ever been involved in amateur dramatics?"

Anyone answering Yes to that question was sacked.

I think the owners of Boleskine need a similar question to weed out the Crowleyites.


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Posted by: @alan_obrien

I think the owners of Boleskine need a similar question to weed out the Crowleyites.

"Have you ever crucified a toad?"

Maybe not.


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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

Have you ever crucified a toad

Not this fortnight anyway.

Posted by: @alan_obrien

I think the owners of Boleskine need a similar question to weed out the Crowleyites.

"Finish up the following statement with one final word: Love is the law, but love under - WHAT?'"

N Joy


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Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Love is the law, but love under - WHAT?'

The missing end word is ... COVER.

 


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@shiva

 

Missing word is LIE

 

Book of LIES

 

Anyone who has ever had any occult proclivities, any hint of a stench, has lied. 

 

RE polygraphs, government top secret clearances. Mostly clean but . You swing it. 

'No- USGOV I am not lying to you.' 

 

i am saying that tests are arbitrary- and in a certain sense you will pick out the good liars for promotion - not the do-gooders. 

 

Here ends the idiot.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted by: @christibrany

Here ends the idiot.

I do not understand UNDERLIE.


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Wink Wink
If you are given the test ahead of time; so that you can practice; not be caught off guard and you can control the heart rate/blood pressure, respiration, and skin conductivity while you intone the passing answer.
If you are fielded uncomfortable questions you are not ready for; the autonomic arousal: heart rate/blood pressure, respiration, and skin conductivity will effect a gyration of the pen.
So if you have friends in high places and you have time to practice; volunteer to take a Lie detector test to prove your innocence and tell everyone a computer does not lie.
That's how you do it.
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Posted by: @shiva

The missing end word is ... COVER.

Posted by: @christibrany

Missing word is LIE

There in no "correct" missing word, as the "right" answer (i.e., 'will') would identify the person as a likely "Crowleyite" (or wrongly: as somebody with quite good general knowledge skills (and therefore probably quite good at "pub quizzes")). (Please excuse all these "scare quotes"). (And brackets).

Therefore any other answer is equally "wrong".  (Or "right", depending on your point-of-view, as this would enable the utterer not to be evicted from the locality as one of these terrible "Crowleyites" who should never gain admittance.)

Adjudicatingly yours

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Is it possible to see the text (I cannot seem to open the link here: Thanks in advance)?

I promise not to (mis)interpret the words as being your own!

N Joy


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@jamiejbarter

 

I tried to help ye mate but you have to be a member.  

And to sign up for a monthly free trial you still have to give your creds. 


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Posted by: @christibrany

... you have to be a member. 

I fail to see the problem. The link worked just fine for me ... twice. Now I will attempt the third degree, so I can copy and paste ...

Occultism behind the restoration of Boleskine House

 
Keith and Kyra Readdy bought the ruins of Boleskine House, which had previously been owned by Aleister Crowley
Keith and Kyra Readdy bought the ruins of Boleskine House, which had previously been owned by Aleister Crowley    PETER JOLLY/NORTHPIX

The founder of a secular conservation charity that has pledged to turn a landmark building into an educational centre admitted her “true intention” was to spread the spiritual doctrines of a notorious occultist.

The Boleskine House Foundation (BHF) has submitted plans to restore the fire-ravaged hunting lodge, previously owned by Aleister Crowley, on the banks of Loch Ness.

Its proposals to rebuild the ruined property — later bought by Jimmy Page, the Led Zeppelin guitarist — are set to be approved next week.

The B-listed property was reduced to a shell by fires in 2015 and 2019
The B-listed property was reduced to a shell by fires in 2015 and 2019
ANDREW SMITH/ALAMY

In public the foundation has insisted its intention is to turn Boleskine into a centre dedicated to promoting Highland history and conservation.

However, Kyra Readdy, 34, who established the charity with her husband Keith, 39, privately admitted her real motive was to ... [insert cliff-hanger]

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Thanks Shiva.

 

I wonder if the council will still approve the building. 

Or if the village mentality will raise its frightened head again. 


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Posted by: @shiva
                                                                   {To} Continue reading

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Yes, and we all know what that means: all your [anyone's] personal details forwarded straight on to the databanks of god-knows-where and an increased chance of being pestered forevermore and a day with junk email.  If no one else can be arsed obliged to copy & paste the rest of the 

Posted by: @shiva

... [insert cliff-hanger]

I guess I'll have to live with never knowing & try to get to sleep at nights.

Sigh!

Posted by: @christibrany

Or if the village mentality will raise its frightened head again. 

Ah yes - the old pitchforks and burning braziers brigade... I wonder if they still exist in the same form anywhere, in some Eastern European backwater, perhaps?  I suppose they probably must have all died out with the rise of labour saving agricultural implements and the ubiquity of street lighting and central heating.

Aimlessly-a-ponderingly yours,

N Joy


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Posted by: @christibrany

Or if the village mentality will raise its frightened head again. 

Ah yes - the old pitchforks and burning braziers brigade... I wonder if they still exist in the same form anywhere, in some Eastern European backwater, perhaps?  I suppose they probably must have all died out with the rise of labour saving agricultural implements and the ubiquity of street lighting and central heating.

Aimlessly-a-ponderingly yours,

N Joy

Riots are now the prerogative of egalitarian urban sophisticates funded by the manor house!

 


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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Riots are now the prerogative of egalitarian urban sophisticates funded by the manor house!

See AL - Chapter III (3). "Now let it be known that I am pissed off and I'm goin' to do some killin'." - and you are going to help me.

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Well here is some more scripture for the meat grinder...;.

----Well, Abe said, "Where you want this killin' done?"
God said, "Out on Highway 61"-----


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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Riots are now the prerogative of egalitarian urban sophisticates funded by the manor house!

You mean paid Marxists? Enter my friend Iggers. 🙂 

And NO I am not conflating peaceful protest with rioting.  It's obviously different to us all, is it not? 

with love,

Christ 

 

PS: Brothers - May ye be as sheep upon my wheel of Ezekiel that I may spin thine souls into a technicolour coat of LVX to wear at my Christening. 


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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Riots are now the prerogative of egalitarian urban sophisticates funded by the manor house!

Posted by: @christibrany

paid Marxists? Enter my friend Iggers.

If any of y'all right-wing cats knows the details of where/how one signs up for these gigs getting paid to riot, please pass the info along. I know lots of young anarchist kids who would be very interested in getting paid to do what they now risk life and limb to do for free. Is there a bail plan? Probably these paid rioters get good health insurance because sociamalism, and the frequent injuries being Maced, tear-gassed, and beaten with wooden clubs by police.

Curiously, this info about how to get paid to riot seems much less well-known among the leftists who might be inclined to accept such employment than it is to viewers of far-right lunatic news (Fox, ONANN, etc).


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@ignant666

 

Hello friend, Hope you have been well.

I was biking until two days ago til we got more snow. 🙁

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jeff-reynolds/2020/06/03/yes-george-soros-sent-money-to-fund-the-riots-and-so-did-taxpayers-n487939

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/politics/george-soros-racial-justice-organizations.html   note 'civil engagement' BLM 

 

https://cloverchronicle.com/2020/05/30/is-this-proof-george-soros-is-funding-the-riots-taking-place-in-america/

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But as Paul would say, what has this to do with the legacy of Aleister Crowley? 

 

As haidiggendigidgraum said, 'I started this topic' 

 

Chris, myself and I , merely lighted the fuse when I was talking about pitchforked rioters going against the boleskine house. 


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Oh please. I cannot believe there are people who can tie their own shoes who believe this obvious bullshit.

Trust me, if this were true, i would know dozens and dozens of folks doing this for a living. I would be working in a Senior Riot Field-Director role, not retired.

Note that none of your sources even claim to show any connection between actual riots/rioters and anything funded by Soros/Open Society Foundation. They just say "Soros funds some left groups, and rioters are lefties!" Um, yeah, true, OK, but that does not help to show that Soros funds riots, and pays salaries to rioters. It's just irrelevant noise to distract from a lack of evidence for the claims.

Soros/OSF funds lots of things that foster democracy and "the open society", which he has a book about (so much for secret agendas). He was instrumental in the fall of Soviet Communism in his native Hungary. One of his really clever tactics in the '70s-'80s was selling copying machines to Soviet satellite states way below cost, to facilitate samizdat production. It worked.

And the document you reproduce is a proven fabrication, see here. And the whole story is utter bullshit and lies, like most of what passes for news on the sites you seem to read, and the cable networks that provide a similar diet of lies and bullshit about the world. See here and here for some accurate info about these topics.

People riot, and burn shit down, because they are pissed off at a society that treats them like shit for the benefit of a few, and they can't think of any better way to express that rage because of a lack of political power, not because they are paid to, or told to, by George Soros, or Bernie Sanders, or Hugo Chavez [died 2013].

[FULL DISCLOSURE: I was once, 20 years or so ago, an unpaid speaker at OSF's Drug Policy Foundation, and my late mom was a casual beach acquaintance of Soros' sister Daisy in the early '70s]

 


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Posted by: @christibrany

a technicolour coat of LVX to wear at my Christening. 

I think you mean your funeral You have purposely, consciously, and in fact darily, waved the red flag in the face of Iggers-Apis-the Bull.

Posted by: @christibrany

But as Paul would say, what has this to do with the legacy of Aleister Crowley? 

AC says, "Is there a government? I'm against it.|" You may proceed with that passport in hand, to study the anarchists in the land.

Posted by: @ignant666

Trust me

Oh no, you don't. Take it over to the Christianity thread where trust, faith, and the Vatican way are being discussed.

Of course, you may be correct, but ... "Trust Me?" Feel free to post proof that proves a negative.

Posted by: @ignant666

They just say "Soros funds some left groups, and rioters are lefties!"

Lack of proof positing a positive statement is also evident. People are unable to see their own karma coming home and wish to assign blame to external sources.

Posted by: @ignant666

[FULL DISCLOSURE: I was once, 20 years or so ago, an unpaid speaker at OSF's Drug Policy Foundation, and my late mom was a casual beach acquaintance of Soros' sister Daisy in the early '70s]

Then you will go to hell and burn for your sinful associations.


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@ignant666

Well it takes a lawyer.....my suggestion is that you send a bill to  Mr. Soros for the time it took you to write the post at your billable hour!

Now back to topic....and this might require a lawyer, but how does a prophecy about a particular house burning work into considerations as regards fire insurance for Boleskine. 


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I had something to say but I don't want to turn this into heru ra ha. . net. 

RE past lives. 

 

I will leave you all with. There is a will, out there, to break up western society.

If you want it to happen, so be it. 

that's all. 

 


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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

my suggestion is that you send a bill to  Mr. Soros for the time it took you to write the post at your billable hour!

Of course, it's all typical leftist lies and misdirection when i claim that i last practiced law in the '90s, and that i'm not on a full-time salary getting checks signed by ol' George personally, in my capacity as Senior Northeastern U.S. Riot Field-Marshall. Writing up that little screed comes out of my lavish salary, and has nothing to do with my disappointment that Chris continues to fall for such nonsense.

If i were counsel for the Boleskine insurance co., i'd recommend against paying, based on the legal doctrine of estoppel, rooted in the customer's church's claim that their "holy place shall be untouched throughout the centuries: though with fire and sword it be burnt down & shattered, yet an invisible house there standeth [emphasis added], and shall stand until the fall of the Great Equinox [ie, until about 3904 A.D.]..."

So where do they get off filing an insurance claim, then?

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Posted by: @christibrany

There is a will, out there, to break up western society.

Yes, but no one gets paid to pursue this goal. We do it for free, if you can believe it.

There was this English guy in the early 20th century whose most passionate goal was to "break up western society"- maybe you've heard of him? Poet and mountain-climber called Aleister Crowley?


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@ignant666

Thanks, I think I was trying to posit a hypothetical: That a cursed house might make it more prohibitive as regards retaining insurance, but if a fire did break out in the future, could an insurance scam be construed around the notion of a curse?

Always something about this Boliskine project seems in bad taste...

a ruined waste, charred to so remind that indeed by flame

consumed and so now consumed by mortgage contract

certainly not an autonomous zone but some curse of because upon 

a kiblah

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Posted by: @christibrany

There is a will, out there, to break up western society.

Well, yes, we are (after all) The Great Satan, and the Chinese don't like us, they routinely, slangly refer to us as "barbarians." But we make good customers for their cheap toys, so where does that leave us? ... As consumers.


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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Always something about this Boliskine project seems in bad taste...

Holiday Inns. Application of spiritual energy into material ends - The basic definition of a color that is rather dark. Also, directed by a person (and his wifeness) who is the public defender for the one true order that resides in duplexity. Was there any more confirmation you wanted?

I was also involved in a Kaaba that went up, then down, in a firestorm. For us, it was a graduation exercise. For the Loch, they are trying to rebuild (resurrect) a shattered edifice. Our attempts at rebuilding were thwarted. I came to see continuation as futile.They (my former associates) continued, as a business, not an Order. Holiday inn seems to be associated with a business - where lodgers are expected to pay their bill in advance. The same cycle rolls on ...  

I believe it's an Osiris thing. You know: IAO. I think we all have to go through it, but at some point, maybe there's a better set of letters.

 


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As I read through all of this, all I can think of is the paradox of "The Grandfather's Hammer." 

When is Boleskine House NOT Boleskine House?

It reminds me of some official guidance for making Cakes of Light from the EGC. Apparently, folks were worried about HIV or something so the Powers that Be said one could basically burn the original fluids to ash and mix them into cookies which could be safely served during a Mass.

The "Magical Power" of the spunk and spew would be retained in the safe and sanitary cookies.

Bollocks.

This was just ONE example of the organized, tax-deductable and religious bullshit we call "Old Aeon" leading morons by the nose into budgeting for dues and dipshit status.

I'm sure the outlook of the real estate will be beautiful. I think it will be a most romantic place to stay.

But it all reminds me of the auctioning of Van Gogh's Sunflowers. No matter how much money you pay, you can never get to the heart. The rich try to buy the romance of poverty-but they can only ever do so as "tourists."

Again, great real estate. Romantic and nice.

Any "Thelemic" agenda feels painfully vicarious.

 

 

 

 

     


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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

vicarious

Well, look, if they would just raise the funds, restore the place, and hold it as a shrine, or an abbey, or a kaaba, I would send them a dollar. I wouldn't mind if they gave guided tours once a month, on non-ceremonial days. Sunday would be nice. They could even charge a fee for the tour ... and the lecture ... and the food.

However, if they open the Boleskine Motel and Bar, then I must withhold my dollar.

 


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It is nothing 'energetic' or 'holy' anymore that's for sure.  The fire (twice! thrice?) burned the 'spirits' away and now we just have a place to play.  Lower case pee.  I wonder if it will be Pricey. 


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Posted by: @shiva

However, if they open the Boleskine Motel and Bar, then I must withhold my dollar.

You are just jealous of competitors in the "OTO-owned motel" economic sphere. Wake me up when they open their first gas station.


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Posted by: @ignant666

Wake me up when they open their first gas station.

This would be a short-term enterprise. What with petrol-motivated carriages being banned in the UK, ten years from now. They should look into a car battery recharging station. They could use solar panels to electrify the station and not need to pay fees to some oil company. Very economical. Card-carrying, or password-uttering, members of the one true duplexity would, of course, get free electrons; all others pay cash.

Gas stations, and electron stations, do not make a lot of profit, even for the prophet. The idea is that you have a place where your large fleet of cars, trucks, generators, etc can be fueled and maintained/repaired without paying other stations for fuel or mechanical work - this amounts to better economics than just selling gas or electrical current.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

They could even charge a fee for the tour ... and the lecture ... and the food.

With the Sally Army, the food and the lecture sermon are at least thrown in for free, but this'd be a tour without any relics.

Posted by: @shiva

However, if they open the Boleskine Motel and Bar, then I must withhold my dollar.

My yes, they are going to be mighty deprived without the bountiful largesse of your almighty - dollar!

Make mine a booking in the invisible chalet though, if you would, please.

Norma N Joy Conquest


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ignant666:

"There was this English guy in the early 20th century whose most passionate goal was to "break up western society"- maybe you've heard of him? Poet and mountain-climber called Aleister Crowley?"

 

ignant666, can you provide quotes from AC confirming your statement that his goal was to "break up western society"?

 

That AC wanted to save western society is supported by quotes from The Confessions of Aleister Crowley: An Autohagiography:

An example is Confessions chapter 60, where AC states that he regard Christianity "... as historically false, morally infamous, politically contemptible and socially pestilential.", but that he "... were absolutely opposed to any ideas of social revolution.", and "... had no use for the sordid slum writers and Hyde Park ranters who had replace the aristocratic infidel of the past."

One more example is Confessions chapter 75, where AC states: "The war of 1914, and its sequel of revolution and economic catastrophe, is in my eyes the culmination of its many centuries of corruption by Christianity. [...] [,]and I cannot but conclude that at least for a long period anarchy will triumph in Europe. I turn therefore to America from an expiring solar system to a nebulous mass which I expect to develop into an organized galaxy."  

And where AC also states "America is seething with anarchy on every plane, because of the constantly changing economic conditions, the conflict between creeds, casts, codes, cultures and races. Society has never had a chance to settle down.
[...] There is thus a radical distinction between Europe and her daughter. [...] My faith in the future of the States is fixed on some rational reconstruction after revolution."

 

Another example is Confession Chapter 86, where AC states: "The latter half of the volume [= "The Magical Record of my Son"] is devoted to [...] giving outlines of a social system free from the disastrous defects of our present civilization.""

 

An additional example is Confessions Chapter 87, where AC states: "Our total ignorance of American conditions, our failure to understand that what we regard as fundamental truths and virtues, may be to them mere prejudices, is creating a chasm between the continents into which civilization itself is only too likely to fall.[...]".

And where AC states: "But so far as I understand it at all, it seems as if my work were to construct a model of a new civilization to
replace that which we see before our eyes reeling towards catastrophe."

And where he also states: "The Book of the Law was given to mankind chiefly in order to provide it with an impeccable principle of practical politics. I regard this as more important for the moment than its function as a guide in its evolution towards conscious godhead. It is only while writing this chapter that I have come to understand the real purport of the book, and it is evident that the Secret Chiefs have prevented me from putting in the clutch, as I may say, from releasing the enormous energy of the New Aeon, until on the one hand, I had become capable of directing that energy wisely, and on the other, until civilization had reached the crisis in which my interference would save the race from crashing into chaos.""

 

AC also wanting to save western society (Europe and America), towards the end of his life, is supported by quotes from Magick Without Tears, Chapter 8: The Three Schools Of Magick (3):, where he states:

"The White School has [...] been paralysed. We are reminded of the spider described by Fabre, who injects her victims with a poison which paralyzes them without killing them, so that her own young may find fresh meat. And this is what is going to happen in Europe and America unless something is done about it, and done in very short order."

 

"And a further example of AC towards the end of his life, still wanting to save western society, is Magick Without Tears, Chapter 77: Work Worthwhile: Why?:, where he states: 

"... one may suspect that the majority of well-instructed men expect nothing but that History will repeat itself, and our civilization go the way of all the others whose ruins we dig up in every quarter of the earth. [...]

Is there a conceivable alternative? [...]

[...] one hope remains; to get into communication with those “gods” or “masters” whose existence was demonstrated in my Premise Major and learn from Them. But is this possible? Tradition and experience unite to assert that it is so; moreover, various forms of technique for accomplishing this are at our disposal. This is what is called The Great Work; and it is abundantly clear that no other aim is worth pursuit."

 


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbre, quoting AC

the disastrous defects of our present civilization.

That, from your above quote potpourri, from which i could have excerpted many others, should do to support my rather obvious statement, you silly man.


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ignant666, how do you interpret your claim that AC's "most passionate goal was to "break up western society", to be in line with AC being "absolutely opposed to any ideas of social revolution", when "... giving outlines of a social system free from the disastrous defects of our present civilization."?

 

Do you understand your claim that AC's "most passionate goal was to "break up western society", to be synonymous with him wanting to save western civilization?

(I am here using civilization and society as synonymous terms.)

 

That is, am I misreading you if I read your words "break up western society" to mean "destroy western society (or western civilization)"? 

 

Would it be more correct to read your words "break up western society", to mean "revive western society (or civilization)", or "revitalize western society (or civilization)"? 

 

Claiming Christianity to be the root cause, is a running theme in the quotes I provided, with respect to Crowley describing risks of anarchy, chaos, paralysis and ruin, for our present civilization, for Europe and America. 

 

ignant666, do you really believe Christianity to be the root cause of such risks for our present civilization?   


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ignant666, how do you interpret your claim that AC's "most passionate goal was to "break up western society", to be in line with AC being "absolutely opposed to any ideas of social revolution", when "... giving outlines of a social system free from the disastrous defects of our present civilization."?

 

Do you understand your claim that AC's "most passionate goal was to "break up western society", to be synonymous with him wanting to save western civilization?

(I am here using civilization and society as synonymous terms.)

 

That is, am I misreading you if I read your words "break up western society" to mean "destroy western society (or western civilization)"? 

 

Someone asked Ghandi what he thought about western civilization, he said that it would be a good idea. 

 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Well, David Dom Lemieux. 

With respect to ignant666's claim that AC's "most passionate goal was to "break up western society", my point is that AC in the quotes I provided, with respect to western society, describes both Europe and America (= western society), as afflicted by anarchy and revolution, and in line with him being "absolutely opposed to any ideas of social revolution" – as mentioned in said quotes – in those quotes also states that "My faith in the future of the [United] States [or America] is fixed on some rational reconstruction after revolution."

And, David Dom Lemieux, I wonder if I am misreading ignant666's claim that AC's "most passionate goal was to "break up western society", when I understand that claim to not be in line with AC's quoted faith in the future of western society (of which USA is a part), being fixed on some rational reconstruction after revolution.  


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If you, my very silly Well-Bred Comrade, imagine that you can tease out any coherent strand to AC's political/social "thought" beyond hatred of "things as they are [or were]", and a desire for massive change, you are even sillier than your many very silly posts here might convince one that you might be.

 

 


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There is indeed a "... coherent strand to AC's political/social "thought" beyond hatred of "things as they are [or were]", and a desire for massive change."

That is, AC was a clear proponent of anti-egalitarian aristocratic revolution:

"There is only one solution: to pick out the diamonds from the clay, cut them, polish them, and set them as they deserve.  Attempt no idiot experiments with the muck of the mine!  You will observe that I am advocating an aristocratic revolution.  And so I am!"

(Source: Magick Without Tears, Chapter 72: Education.)

AC was consistent in his condescending attitude towards revolution[-s] as a social phenomena, and towards parliamentarian democracy:

"To even the most stupid it becomes plain at this stage that war is wholly ruinous; organization breaks down altogether; one meaningless revolution follows another; famine and pestilence complete the job. [...]

So, whichever way you vote, you are asking for trouble, or would do, if the vote had any meaning. The result of any election, or for the matter of that any revolution, is an almost wholly insignificant component of those stupendous and inscrutable Magical Forces which determine the destinies of the planet." 

(Source: Magick Without Tears, Chapter 75, The A∴A∴ and the Planet)

And beyond "hatred of "things as they are [or were]", and a desire for massive change.", AC was consistent in presenting his Thelema a involving the responsibility for preserving what that is worth saving, through future massive change of a catastrophic nature, envisioned by him: 

"The New Aeon was to supersede the old; my special job was to preserve the Sacred Tradition, so that a new Renaissance might in due season rekindle the hidden Light. [...]

"“They” [= "The authors of the messages in AC's The Book of the Law"], not one person but a number acting in concert, not not only foresaw a planet-wide catastrophe, but were agreed on measures calculated to assure the survival of the Wisdom worth saving until the time, perhaps three hundred or six hundred years later, when a new current should revive the shattered thought of mankind."

(Source: Magick Without Tears, Chapter 75, The A∴A∴ and the Planet)

 

AC's opposition to egalitarianism, parliamentarian democracy, Christinaity, and the cultural spirit of the bourgeoisie and modernity, is comparable to common attitudes within the Conservative Revolution, a German national-conservative movement prominent during the Weimar Republic, in the years 1918–1933 (between World War I and Nazi Germany). As these Conservative Revolutionaries were generally opposed to traditional Wilhelmine Christian conservatism, egalitarianism, liberalism and parliamentarian democracy as well as the cultural spirit of the bourgeoisie and modernity. 

(Source fore more on The Conservative Revolution: Conservative Revolution - Wikipedia )

These characteristics of AC's political/social "thoughts", is a likely reason for why I have never found any example online of a site with a left-wing political position putting a positive spin on AC. And from my experience online, I know of no examples — except from the right-wing fringe — of a site with a right-wing political position, putting a positive spin on AC.


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Yeah, apart from a bit of a flirtation with socialism at one point, AC was fairly consistently for an aristocratic/conservative system throughout his life, although I think he varied his opinions over time on the details of how it should be organized.


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Absolutely, aside from the effort to get the Bolsheviks to adopt the Law (later also tried with Hitler), his hatred of actual existing aristocrats, and his support for the overthrow of Xianity and western civilization, he was a staunch pro-aristocracy conservative.

The claim that AC supported "aristocracy" is obviously wrong, since he wants "to pick out the diamonds from the clay"- presumably this would not be needed if the diamonds are simply the children of the old diamonds.

I urge those who imagine it is possible to extract a coherent political view from AC's various contradictory political enthusiasms to read Pasi's AC and the temptation of politics.


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As I read through all of this, all I can think of is the paradox of "The Grandfather's Hammer." 

When is Boleskine House NOT Boleskine House?

It reminds me of some official guidance for making Cakes of Light from the EGC. Apparently, folks were worried about HIV or something so the Powers that Be said one could basically burn the original fluids to ash and mix them into cookies which could be safely served during a Mass.

The "Magical Power" of the spunk and spew would be retained in the safe and sanitary cookies.

Bollocks.

This was just ONE example of the organized, tax-deductable and religious bullshit we call "Old Aeon" leading morons by the nose into budgeting for dues and dipshit status.

I'm sure the outlook of the real estate will be beautiful. I think it will be a most romantic place to stay.

But it all reminds me of the auctioning of Van Gogh's Sunflowers. No matter how much money you pay, you can never get to the heart. The rich try to buy the romance of poverty-but they can only ever do so as "tourists."

Again, great real estate. Romantic and nice.

Any "Thelemic" agenda feels painfully vicarious.

 

 

 

 

     

Yes!


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Posted by: @ignant666

The claim that AC supported "aristocracy" is obviously wrong, since he wants "to pick out the diamonds from the clay"- presumably this would not be needed if the diamonds are simply the children of the old diamonds.

"Aristocracy" doesn't necessarily mean hereditary aristocracy, it simply means "rule of the best."  And that's what he was after - and he was quite consistent about it.


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ignant666: "[AC] was a staunch pro-aristocracy conservative."

 

AC was a clear proponent of anti-egalitarian "aristocratic revolution", as stated in Magick Without Tears, Chapter 72: Education. 

 

AC's above use of the term 'arisocratic' pertains to the definition ": notably superior or excellent" [= notably superior or excellent individuals], and does not pertian to the definition ": belonging to, having the qualities of, or favoring aristocracy // an aristocratic family // aristocratic titles".

(Source: Aristocratic Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster )


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AC was a clear proponent of anti-egalitarian "aristocratic revolution" ...

An Observation - Since RTC failed to produce (promised potencies) and failed to show (up - here), the threads have become rather active (like the old daze). But an independent monitoring agency (a part of my mind that notices aberrations) has estimated that 50% of this renewed activity is off-topic.

This is the Crowley's House thread. There is another thread, AC & Politics - or similar). In that thread is was determined that AC had no political convictions beyond what suited him at the time - he was all over the Anarchist to God-save-the-King spectrum. WellRead, this has all been hashed out - extensively. It is useless to dig up specific quotes - Ignant will give you two back that show AC wavered - a lot. Ignant has stated this in simple terms. If you need to keep haggling over illusionary concepts, please take it to the Politics thread, start a new thread, or return to Crowley's House. Please?


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