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Dimmu Borgir: "Abrahadabra"


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This from BlabberMouth.net

Norwegian symphonic black metallers DIMMU BORGIR have set "Abrahadabra" as the title of their ninth studio album, which will be released in Germany on September 24, in the rest of Europe on September 27, and in North America on October 12 via Nuclear Blast Records.

The word "abrahadabra" (which roughly translates into "I will create as I speak") first publicly appeared in Chapter III of "Liber AL vel Legis" (commonly referred to as "The Book of the Law") written by Aleister Crowley in Cairo, Egypt in 1904.

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More on this from fearnet.com: http://www.fearnet.com/news/b19542_dimmu_borgir_conjure_album_title_artwork.html

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.. I mentioned this album in the AC music thread; but it does deserve it's own thread. Only thing is that we may have to wait a little while for the first video/single: Until then, the thread may sleep. They are a band who can be somewhat disappointing live, because their albums are full production. This was looked on as being a betrayal to some "scene", but I don't think they give a shit. They want to be bombastic, over the top, & play 'dressup'. I enjoy them. Like I said before, this album will sell Crowley's books to young people. It is inevitable. Strange that we have "Eparistera Daimones" by Triptykon, & this one, in the same year from a few of the darker musicians. 2010 is a great year for old Crow in music, because the latter is a phenomenal album. & Dimmu will take it Broadway...


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This is a good example of how much work they put into their videos (& how much money they spend to get it right):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9cqKafnUrk

The cost of 98 extra musicians on your record is also not cheap by any means. They realised that nothing could replace the sound of a giant orchestra, & thankfully they make enough cash to be able to pay for it...


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I find Dodgy Buurgir one of the most excruciatingly embarrasing black metal bands around. They are what you get when you try to market black metal at 12 year old girls.

There are much better bands like Solefald and Ulver who produce music with lyrics that sound like they are coming from genuine experience and understanding of transcendental states.

I imagine this album will prompt a few kids to look up Crowley on Wikipedia but that's about as far as they will take it. I've known loads of Dimmu fans and none of them are into magical philosophy.

Come to think of it, just next month there are 2 gigs in London I know of from bands with a much greater grasp of our favourite topics: Sabbat and Sigh. Either one of them would have way more appeal to the Lashtal crowd than the juvenile claptrap of Dodgy Burgiir.


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Nashimiron: .. I understand what you are saying; & I have thought about it for years myself. I disagree with your interpretation. It is all Rock n Roll. You mention 12 year olds liking it as a discredit, when I think it is to it's credit. you can bring up all of these other bands: I know them all. None of them did what Dimmu Borgir did; so you can make fun of their name, whatever you want; I am 31, listen to music constantly, & I like them: Where are you going to place me?... Who is the juvenile one in this exchange? What, you don't think that the youth should be able to enjoy this type of music? You take it so KVLT seriously that it is not just Rock N Roll anymore?


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Perhaps they took a few ideas from Behemoth and decided to go down the Thelema path. I'll be interested to hear this but Dimmu have done little for me musically. As far as Black Metal goes they're a little too West End Musical for me.


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"Nefilim" wrote:
Perhaps they took a few ideas from Behemoth and decided to go down the Thelema path. I'll be interested to hear this but Dimmu have done little for me musically. As far as Black Metal goes they're a little too West End Musical for me.

... Oh, I would say that it is Musical from way way out on the Left End. You would take a girl to see it, but maybe not your mother.


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"Horemakhet" wrote:
"Nefilim" wrote:
Perhaps they took a few ideas from Behemoth and decided to go down the Thelema path. I'll be interested to hear this but Dimmu have done little for me musically. As far as Black Metal goes they're a little too West End Musical for me.

... Oh, I would say that it is Musical from way way out on the Left End. You would take a girl to see it, but maybe not your mother.

Who said I'd take anyone to see it? 😉


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Dimmu are just unoriginal. They haven't done anything new, they just got marketed better than other bands. Sure it's just rock and roll, but rock and roll can be so much better, and it doesn't have to be so vacuous and uninspired.

Friends of mine have played me Dimmu albums again and again but I've never been able to stomach them. I mean on one album they even ripped off Enya! That would be cool if they were doing it in a more interesting way, but they just follow an Enya-like track with a lot of very standard black metal tunes. If Ulver produced a song that sounded like Enya it would be done in a way that is transgressive and tongue in cheek, but when Dimmu do it I just get the feeling they are taking advantage of a catchy tune.


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Young adults are the ones who put all Rock n Roll on the map in the first place. It is the music of Youth, & this band have appeal. Some crochety old farts may not like it; but, you can pull out your Ulver records for your grandchildren, & they may dig it; they will have listened to bands like DB. . .


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Hell, I am old and crotchety now but I was relatively young 15 odd years ago and back then I thought Dimmu were dreadful. I could tell they were going to be succesful though, they were obviously way more marketable than other black metal bands, and not confrontational or challenging in any way.


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The cover are for this album reminds me of Jenova from FFVII Advent Children for some odd reason...


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sounds like midi drums with opera. not my thing.a bit too cheesy.
if i want to listen to metal i will listen to just metal, not prefixhere-metal.
like tool or deftones or metalcore stuff like born from pain.
and yes you can say they are poppy compared to the other stuff, but at least they can write a song that doesnt sound like a casio on 200 bpm in a bad way. my humble opinion of course 😉
i like stuff with more emotion i guess. not acting.


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Only good thing dimmu had going was ICS Vortex! to bad they fired him. As a side note there are many artists/bands now beating the drum of thelema. Very fascinating process to see unfold in main-stream culture.


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"nashimiron" wrote:
Hell, I am old and crotchety now but I was relatively young 15 odd years ago and back then I thought Dimmu were dreadful. I could tell they were going to be succesful though, they were obviously way more marketable than other black metal bands, and not confrontational or challenging in any way.

You must be a far more knowledgable & adept musician/listener than me. Here I thought that the lot of you were deaf, but I see that I must be the one in the wrong. Obviously I am not cool enough for your crowd. I try sooo very hard. I will be crying onto my pillow tonight.


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"nashimiron" wrote:
I find Dodgy Buurgir one of the most excruciatingly embarrasing black metal bands around. They are what you get when you try to market black metal at 12 year old girls.

I have to agree and I believe the title is mere superficial posturing by the band. One gets the impression that Shagrath ( I think thats the singers name? ) clumsily thumbed his way through a Book about Crowley looking for "Kewl" words to use in their songs.

I have been in a few Death and Black metal bands myself since the early 90's and met far too many "Occult posers" for my liking! Its a shame that so few have a genuine interest in Crowley or Magick.


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speaking of ignoramuses stealing occultic and deep symbols for commercial purposes without having any idea what they are doing;
today at my work a kid walked in with a tshirt that had a bapohmetic idol on it. i said 'oh baphomet!''
he said 'huh? its behemoth' pointing to the band name
and i said 'close enough...'since he obviously had no idea what that meant.
then even stranger i looked closer and in smaller capitals it said ZOS KIA CULTUS
im like 'thats funny. zos kia cultus . that was thought up by austin spare.'
he's like 'who?'
'An english artist, he was a great draughtsman and thats part of his system of sorcery. you see that system of sigils on the pantacle behind his head, thats part of the zos kia cultus'
he was like '.... i just thought it looked cool when i was into metal''
'yeah 'i said, 'i get tired of people appropriating symbols and not even having any idea what they are wearing'
he agreed 'yeah its like those angsty kids who wear swastikas who dont realise it was a positive norse symbol'
'actually it came from hinduism too but yeah. i get tired of cultural appropriation, like when homosexuals steal the word gay and then you cant use it in speech anymore''

bizarre synchornicity, as i was digging into my new copy of the magical revival. whats the world coming to!
i almost would have spiritual concepts remain occult if they are going to be misunderstood or cheapened.


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None of us have heard their album yet. There is only supposition on display here: including my own, of course. As I enjoy their music, I am equally willing to let this one grace my skull. What our comments lead to is: they actually are controversial. They are challenging, even here, in our small scholastic community. ~~ It is only Rock n *****' Roll after all. They love to play their music, & through hard work, dedication, & craft, they have reached a level of success that other's are jealous of.


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"wolf354" wrote:
The cover it's similar to Celtic Frost and the title of "To Mega Therion" is more appealing ... I like to listen to Celtic Frost but I don't consider them to be a Thelemic reference. . .

Wow. You must not be a visual artist, because those two paintings are nothing alike. Giger is a Master; he befriended the young CF. They studied AC, & to this very day the Writer of that band honors AC. So, unfortunately, you fail in your estimation. No Worries. . .


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Wolf: Why would I be joking? You made the comparison, & used it to bolster a charge of 'insincerity' towards both bands. I counter with the knowledge that you are in error on account of one, so perhaps you are on the other as well. If a musician explicitely states that AC is of vital importance to their work, this is all that matters here. If they are inspired by AC, & declare it to the Press, that is wonderful.


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Chris: You have been reading AC for one year (like you told us); right? You must have a pair of titanium balls to call others who wear symbols you now know something about: "idiots ""ignorant", for not possessing your knowledge. Perhaps the word "snob" has special meaning for you now?


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heya hore mack head
yes i do have a pair'a brass ones.
quite arrogant toss i am too.
but only when i feels like it
don't make me an ijit does it?
just a snob
thas alright! c'est la vie! 😉


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Its like if some band were to superimpose the Papal crucifix over a unicursal hexagram! Wouldn't that be incredibly inane 😉

(ducks the incoming barrage of hurled gnostic gospels, tin totenkophs , and Comus CDs)

I tease 🙂 but seriously any band that lifts termonology and images directly from the text just strikes me as lazy and unimaginative. Coil for example lifted inspiration- reprocessed it, and spit out something personal, strange, and incredibly special. Too few artists do that. It seems they drop in some images or a line or two and call it done. It is as if by telegraphing to their audience they have read or collected some Crowley books that lends them street cred or even worse some buffer impression of depth which has no basis in reality or content. If you remove the cover art and song titles to the vast majority of these albums in most cases you end up with something rather pedestrian.

I dont need my music to reiterate someone else's reading of Crowley, Spare, or anything else for that matter. I find the most interesting "esoteric" art leaves one with the sense of a mystery but you cannot point to what that paradigm might be. Its the residue of the artists passage. Thats how I see it at least.


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einDoppelganger, I think you summed the situation up quite nicely. There's plenty of great esoteric music out there (a fair bit of it coming from the black metal scene) but inevitably the best albums are not the ones that jump off the shelf shouting "witchcraft!!!!!" 😯

Solefalds Neonism album is a great example, and you would never have guessed it's contents from the cover art - it's a picture of a miserable looking kid in a white frock! But it makes sense when you realise what it's referring to.


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I agree that Dimmu are altogether lacking in subtlety.- The challenge for them will be to become a more entertaining live act. They have a flair for the dramatic, & have a close affinity to the original Alice Cooper band. They do not consider themselves "Black Metal". It is conceptual rock n roll with a huge full fleshed sound.


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Lateralus


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I'm listening to it right now.
The music is ok but nothing special, a bit over-produced (an orchestra? come on!) for the vapid songwriting.
Currently, aside from a few references I am failing to see how it represents Thelema or Crowley, or shows any genuine influence of.


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