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04/11/2020 5:22 pm  

Fears Satanists could target historic house on banks of Loch Ness

Plans for 10 holiday lodges on land near the former home of Aleister Crowley, the self-professed “wickedest man in the world”, have given rise to fears it could become a Satanist pilgrimage site.

Objectors to the development at Boleskine House, near Foyers, say they are worried for children and vulnerable adults in the area.

But trustees of the Boleskine House Foundation have vehemently denied the claims.

https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/fears-satanists-could-target-historic-house-on-banks-of-loch-ness-217262/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8909027/Plans-turn-fire-ravaged-Loch-Ness-house-Aleister-Crowley-holiday-lodges.html

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04/11/2020 6:10 pm  

While reading the Daily Mail article, replete with photographs of Crowley in magickal regalia, I couldn't help but think of the turn of the century tabloid press articles accusing Crowley of being a devil-worshipping lothario who was "Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to Know".  I think Crowley would be amused by all the hoopla over his former residence.  If Crowley indeed performed the Sacred Magic of Abramelin, and invoked the 70 Solomonic demons, and had neglected to banish them,  perhaps the house should have burned down.  P.S. the only talent Jimmy Page has is stealing other people's music.


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04/11/2020 7:25 pm  
Posted by: @toadstoolwe

While reading the Daily Mail article, replete with photographs of Crowley in magickal regalia, I couldn't help but think of the turn of the century tabloid press articles accusing Crowley of being a devil-worshipping lothario who was "Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to Know".

That's because 'The Daily Mail' is little different from the earlier tabloids you mentioned.

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

If Crowley indeed performed the Sacred Magic of Abramelin, and invoked the 70 Solomonic demons, and had neglected to banish them,  perhaps the house should have burned down.

Though it's possible that he "had neglected to banish them", I think it's unlikely.


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04/11/2020 7:38 pm  

@michael-staley If I am not mistaken, I read somewhere, possibly The Confessions that he had neglected to banish the demons, (Or perhaps he did, and they refused to leave)  Anyway, it's an apocryphal story. It adds to his mystique.


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04/11/2020 7:53 pm  

@toadstoolwe

 

If you say that about Jimmy Page, in my humble (musician's) opinion, you are at best misguided and at worst an idiot. 

 

And he never said he didn't banish them, he said he didn't compleat the ritual; I take that to mean he didn't do all of the in/e/vokings. 


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04/11/2020 8:01 pm  

@christibrany  Just check the facts, Led Zeppelin stole almost every song they had a hit with.  How they won the legal battles for plagiarism can only be ascribed to "Divine intervention"  You are the misguided one, at worst you are the idiot.  If Crowley didn't finish the ritual, he didn't banish them now did he?  (I don't dispute Jimmy Pages ability as a guitar player, just his honesty.)


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04/11/2020 8:03 pm  

@toadstoolwe

 

If you are a musician you know it's about sharing ideas, it's not ripping them off.  Unless it's totally note for note.  Those copyright lawyers know their stuff and are also often musicians themselves. 


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04/11/2020 8:07 pm  

@christibrany  So what is the point of copyright laws if I can "share ideas?"  Of course the lawyers are good.  They were worth every dollar they charged.  If all we know, there may have been out of court settlements.


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04/11/2020 8:14 pm  
Posted by: @toadstoolwe

If all we know, there may have been out of court settlements.

If there were, "we" would know; the only detail missing might be the amount paid.

Led Zep certainly often walked the fine line between inspiration and plagiarism, but i don't think anyone ever got a penny out of them.

One of my old bands had a song years ago, that i wrote after reading Hammer Of The Gods, called "I Wanna Be Led Zeppelin's Lawyer"; i figured him/her to be the most powerful person in the music biz.


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04/11/2020 8:24 pm  

Hah-hah! You are right.  Like Shakespeare wrote: "The first thing we do, Let's kill all the lawyers"  Henry VI Part 2, Act iv, Scene 2.


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04/11/2020 8:29 pm  

One riff can be inspired by, just like a novel can be inspired by, but while a fine line, any thinking person can see what is a rip off and what is not. 

 

 


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04/11/2020 9:50 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Led Zep certainly often walked the fine line between inspiration and plagiarism, but i don't think anyone ever got a penny out of them.

Led Zep has come clean on the bit of nicking that've they done and settled some of the claims in court. Most are in the realm of fair use. Willie Dixon sued in 1985 for Whole Lotta Love and now gets co-songwriting credit and also got a large settlement. Not too sure about other claims or lawsuits but Stairway to Heaven was hardly similar to Spirit's Taurus (a lawsuit that Zep prevailed in recently.)

Randy California (Spirit's long dead lead singer/songwriter) was way over his head in that lawsuit!

(hehe sorry, Randy drowned while swimming off the coast of California in 1997)

Rolling Stone did an article about and Zep come clean about the thefts:

https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/led-zeppelins-10-boldest-rip-offs-223419/

As Plant later described it, “I just thought, ‘Well, what am I going to sing?’ That was it, a nick. Now happily paid for. At the time, there was a lot of conversation about what to do. It was decided that it was so far away in time and influence that … Well, you only get caught when you’re successful. That’s the game.”

Zep's talent is unquestionable. But the most blatant ripoff IMHO was of the folk musician Bert Jansch's tune Black Waterside. Zep nicked it almost note for note and called it Black Mountain Side on the first album.

You can hear it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkX7Q2J7k48

Zeps version is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUFCkM-tNUQ

Jansch never sued but when asked was bitter about it. He couldn't afford the lawyers and died fairly young.


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04/11/2020 10:00 pm  

Also Jake Holmes' 1967 "Dazed And Confused", suspiciously similar to a song of the same name by Zep:

https://youtu.be/pTsvs-pAGDc


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04/11/2020 10:07 pm  
Posted by: @toadstoolwe

and invoked the 70 Solomonic demons

Demons are evoked, not invoked.

Posted by: @michael-staley

Though it's possible that he "had neglected to banish them", I think it's unlikely.

There is a problem here. Or a kink in time. Or a kink in someone's mind.

The demons are evoked after one contacts the Angel. Perdurabo only seems to have gotten to the talisman-making stage at Boleskine. Then the G.D. started to go Anicca, and he left to assist Mathers. The Angel part came later, designated 1904. I believe the talismans were much later charged, ending at Cefalu.

There is no evidence that he evoked any demons, before chatting with the Angel, at Boleskine. I am open to refutation of my belief system.

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Anyway, it's an apocryphal story. It adds to his mystique.

It is wobbly, wishful thinking, unless evidence of true Evocations (prior to Angelic dialog) can be produced.

Boleskine had a reputation for dark forces' occupation long before AC moved in.

Posted by: @christibrany

And he never said he didn't banish them, he said he didn't compleat the ritual; I take that to mean he didn't do all of the in/e/vokings. 

Right. All that stuff played out in his daily life over many years. This is the usual and natural way things work out.

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

You are the misguided one, at worst you are the idiot.

Well, Chris, I guess you've been challenged. Tyler!  Unlock the door to the Octagon.

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

If Crowley didn't finish the ritual, he didn't banish them now did he?

He never evoked them in the first place. You are neither misguided nor an idiot. You simply have the whole ritual timeline reversed.

 

 


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04/11/2020 10:21 pm  

I dont care anymore

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Well, Chris, I guess you've been challenged. Tyler!  Unlock the door to the Octagon.

 

I will just kick his nuts while he's pissing.  

I just want to be left alone. 


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04/11/2020 10:28 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Also Jake Holmes' 1967 "Dazed And Confused", suspiciously similar to a song of the same name by Zep:

https://youtu.be/pTsvs-pAGDc

From the Rolling Stone article I linked to earlier:

Page apparently heard the song when Holmes opened for the Yardbirds at a Greenwich Village gig. For decades, Holmes declined to sue for authorship; as he put it, “I said, ‘What the hell, let him have it.'” In 2010, however, Holmes finally filed suit; the case was settled out of court and the 2012 Zeppelin live album Celebration Day credits the song as written by “Page; inspired by Jake Holmes.”

Zeps version is a masterpiece and much better developed. The lyrics were also improved. My favorite version is of Zep playing it live on Danish TV in their early days 1969.

The performance is Zep at their best:

https://youtu.be/NkLecydve6A?t=177


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04/11/2020 10:50 pm  

@shiva Heh, it's been years since I read The Confessions, invoke, evoke, revoke?  Who cares?  Anyway I thought Crowley said he saw shadowy entities in the chapel perilous.  As for Christibrainy, he called me misguided and at worst an idiot first.  I was just responding in kind.  I am not into fighting anyone, I am man of Peace and Justice.


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05/11/2020 12:39 am  
Posted by: @toadstoolwe

invoke, evoke, revoke?  Who cares?

Well, I do, for one. And that's enough to call you out on the real issue ...

Do you do the work?

Or do you just read and expound?

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

I thought Crowley said he saw shadowy entities in the chapel perilous. 

WTF? This is evidence? As stated, there were shadows at Bol'skine befor AC got there.

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

As for Christibrainy, he called me misguided and at worst an idiot first. 

But he had evidence that you were one or the other, or somewhere in between. ... based on your posts, which will be necromanced later on as examples of interesting case histories.

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I am not into fighting anyone, I am man of Peace and Justice.

Fair enough.

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05/11/2020 12:34 pm  

@shiva I read and expound and I attempt to do the Work, if by the Work you mean conducting rituals.  As I said in earlier posts, I have transcribed by hand Liber Samekh, (Congresseus Cum Daemoni) and Evangeli Textus Redactus and The Vision and the Voice.  I have done a lot  of reading on the Greco-Egyptian magical Papyrus, in which (I am sure you already know)contain repetitious vowels in an almost mantra-like configuration.  

"I Invoke the Bornless One". You see, I was correct  One does Invoke the gods and goddesses, Angels, and demons.  In terms of doing the Work, I do rituals quoting the above texts. Are they effective?  Who knows.  But I am projecting my Will and my desires to manipulate MY reality.  On a another note, I am reading R.A. Schwaller De Lubicz's Sacred Science: The KIng of Pharaonic Theology.  You are no doubt familiar with it.  Aleister Crowley very much encouraged reading other texts, he also had a recommended  reading list.

 


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05/11/2020 1:23 pm  
Posted by: @toadstoolwe

@christibrany  Just check the facts, Led Zeppelin stole almost every song they had a hit with. 

All one of their hits.


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05/11/2020 3:38 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

All one of their hits.

Ummm....

[LZ] have been awarded five Diamond albums, as well as fourteen Multi-Platinum, four Platinum and one Gold album in the United States, while in the UK they have five Multi-Platinum, six Platinum, one Gold and four Silver albums.

Like 'em or not (i hated them for decades), they did sell quite a few records, and made enormous sums of money.


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05/11/2020 8:15 pm  
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All one of their hits.

Ummm....

[LZ] have been awarded five Diamond albums, as well as fourteen Multi-Platinum, four Platinum and one Gold album in the United States, while in the UK they have five Multi-Platinum, six Platinum, one Gold and four Silver albums.

Like 'em or not (i hated them for decades), they did sell quite a few records, and made enormous sums of money.

Normally, a hit refers to an individual song. The Hit Parade is a list of bestselling songs. In the UK Led Zeppelin released no singles, but I believe they released one single in the USA, and I think it was Whole Lotta Love.


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05/11/2020 10:12 pm  

Well, 12 US singles actually but who's counting. To say Zep did not have "hits" is quibbling.


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06/11/2020 8:06 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

Well, 12 US singles actually but who's counting. To say Zep did not have "hits" is quibbling.

Right, I see that it was here in the UK I see that Led Zep released one single (in 1993). I had no idea they had released as many as 12 in the USA.

Oscar Levant: "George if you had to do it all over, would you fall in love with yourself again?”

George Gershwin (for it is he): "Oscar, why don’t you play us a medley of your hit?"


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06/11/2020 1:29 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

Right, I see that it was here in the UK I see that Led Zep released one single (in 1993). I had no idea they had released as many as 12 in the USA.

The lack of singles from Led Zep was a strategy pushed by Zep manager Peter Grant to get people to buy the full album. This was the era of album rock and the Led Zeppelin IV album is one example.

The strategy worked. They sold millions of albums.

https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2003/11/led-zeppelin-1970s-lisa-robinson

Peter refused to let the band release singles, so that fans had to buy the albums. After the band got big, he wouldn’t let them make television appearances, so if people wanted to see Led Zeppelin they had to pay to go to the concerts. And, in a move that forever changed the rock-concert business, he forced promoters to give the band 90 percent of the gate—take it or leave it. They took it.


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06/11/2020 1:46 pm  

One more time: this was a UK-only strategy. Zep released US singles every single year from 1969-1979, except 1974 (after three from Houses Of The Holy in 1973), 1977, and 1978. Six of them made the Top 40, thus being "hit records" by even the nit-pickiest definition.

There were also three radio-promo (not for sale) singles, one being a little ditty called "Stairway To Heaven", the most-played song on 1970s US radio, and a bona fide "hit record" if there ever was one.

I have owned my copy of the 1973 "D'Yer Maker"/"The Crunge" 45, a massive US AM (pop) radio hit, since i bought it at age 14; it was the only Zep song i liked for a very long time.


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07/11/2020 9:06 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

One more time: this was a UK-only strategy. Zep released US singles every single year from 1969-1979, except 1974 (after three from Houses Of The Holy in 1973), 1977, and 1978. Six of them made the Top 40, thus being "hit records" by even the nit-pickiest definition.

There were also three radio-promo (not for sale) singles, one being a little ditty called "Stairway To Heaven", the most-played song on 1970s US radio, and a bona fide "hit record" if there ever was one.

I have owned my copy of the 1973 "D'Yer Maker"/"The Crunge" 45, a massive US AM (pop) radio hit, since i bought it at age 14; it was the only Zep song i liked for a very long time.

D'Yer?  More like dire.

 

This ain't no Jimmy Page fanclub forum.    There were far more talented folk guitarists/artists who came before Page the master of the boring melancholic '70s dirge e.g. Bryan Maclean of the band Love or McGuinn of The Byrds.   

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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