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23/02/2020 8:08 pm  

Keith Richards's gofer, Tony Sanchez, recalled Pallenberg's first meeting with Anger as she, with Jagger, Richards and Faithfull, 'listened spellbound as Anger turned them on to Crowley's powers and ideas'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8033225/Anita-Pallenbergs-love-life-wasnt-half-crazy-obsession-black-magic.html


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23/02/2020 8:31 pm  

A not at all bad article, especially considering the source, thanx for posting!

More Anger content than ptoner's brief excerpt; also this rather lurid sentence: "[AC's] worship involved sadomasochistic sex rituals with men and women, spells which he claimed could raise evil gods, and the use of drugs including opium, cocaine and heroin." Emphasis added- i think this is a claim/charge i've not seen before?


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23/02/2020 9:29 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

"[AC's] worship involved sadomasochistic sex rituals with men and women, spells which he claimed could raise evil gods, and the use of drugs including opium, cocaine and heroin."

The evil gods raising is new to me as well. The drugs are old news. I'm not sure about SM, as that's not my field. Sex rituals are last century's news.

 


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23/02/2020 10:58 pm  

It seems a shame that Crowley is remembered in the media for these John Bull type allegations - except the Daily Mail doesn't repeat the "A man we woud like to hang" mantra.


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23/02/2020 11:39 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

spells which he claimed could raise evil gods,

Possibly this may have been a misreading (=misinterpretation) by the not-altogether-incapable journalist concerned of an invocatory commandment he may have come across within the ritual Liber Samekh:

"I invoke Thee, the Terrible and Invisible God ... Thou spiritual Sun! Satan, Thou Eye, Thou Lust! ... O my Father, O Satan, O Sun!"

Satan being taken out of (historical) context as an "evil God" by some (notably Christian) commentators (like what they are wont to do)

The question - or rather the answer - revolves around, was it A.C. who did the actual "claiming" or the journalist doing it on his behalf?

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25/02/2020 4:40 pm  
Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @ignant666

"[AC's] worship involved sadomasochistic sex rituals with men and women, spells which he claimed could raise evil gods, and the use of drugs including opium, cocaine and heroin."

The evil gods raising is new to me as well. The drugs are old news. I'm not sure about SM, as that's not my field. Sex rituals are last century's news.

 

It would be easy to make a list of these knee-jerk phrases that newspapers use. I mean the fun facts that are guaranteed to be trollied out in every article where Crowley is mentioned.

The list would have to include

  • "enough heroin to kill 20 people"
  • "subsequently bought by Led Zeppelin's Jimmy page"
  • "wickedest man in the world"
  • "sex with a goat"
  • "1000s of young boys"
  • "Sgt Pepper"

etc etc etc.


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25/02/2020 10:36 pm  

@alan_obrien Of all of those "Sgt Pepper" references are the most irritating to me.

 

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26/02/2020 6:32 am  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

etc etc etc.

Satanist. Black Magician. The Old Goat himself.

 


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26/02/2020 9:36 am  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

etc etc etc.

"... who died penniless and alone, as a hopeless heroin addict in a Hastings boarding-house"...

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26/02/2020 11:16 am  

@jamiejbarter

À rundown Hastings boarding house... 

 


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26/02/2020 1:34 pm  

Yes, you're dead right Alan!  That's an essential qualifying adjective, with the emphasis on the suggestion of its being as near to the environs of Skid Row as possible...

Er- where were we?

N Joy


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26/02/2020 3:49 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

where were we?

Rolling Stone & their advisor.


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26/02/2020 4:36 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

@jamiejbarter

À rundown Hastings boarding house... 

 

Posted by: @jamiejbarter
Posted by: @alan_obrien

etc etc etc.

"... who died penniless and alone, as a hopeless heroin addict in a Hastings boarding-house"...

N Joy

 

Deirdra Macalpine was one of the people who frequented Crowley along with their son Ataturk. She reports Crowley being financially stable enough to take the "family" out for movies from time time. (I'm sorry I cannot remember my sources or where I read this).

 

I believe Yorke also mentions somewhere that the Old Goat died with a locked and loaded box full of money that he had (never?) opened, that could imply that he did not have shortage of cash at hand, or at least suffer from the terrible dis-ease of poverty.

 

Lastly, Netherwood looks extremely inviting place, especially when I used to work in healthcare logistics delivering various equipment all around my country to various old people's retirement homes, those places were more than often, extremely depressing.

 

I believe Crowley had also quite roomy and spacious dwellings in part of the property all to himself?

 

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26/02/2020 4:44 pm  

An excellent post, with one niggle: We just discussed the "chest of money under the bed" claim in another thread recently. AC told Frieda Harris shortly before he died that he had such a chest full of cash.

If it was found after his death, no biographer sees fit to mention it.


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26/02/2020 6:02 pm  
Posted by: @behemoth

I believe Yorke also mentions somewhere that the Old Goat died with a locked and loaded box full of money

Yes, we covered that box recently. The last post on the subject, on some other thread, indicated that this was money being held for "future publications."

Whatever the case, AC was essentially broke, but not so broken that he was forced into homelessness or starvation. It seems like all funds were shipped in from Germer and the Acolytes of Agape Lodge. The OTO as a "retirement project" seems to have worked. He did not die of pennilessness; he did of myocardial degeneration (heart muscle falling apart).

Posted by: @ignant666

If it was found after his death, no biographer sees fit to mention it.

The biographies also failed to mention the "talisman" (to obtain a great fortune) was stolen by Yorke and not sent to Germer with the rest of the Abramelin talismans.


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26/02/2020 7:29 pm  

But biographers did not forgotten to mention his last words (before he died), something about being perpelxed...

Interestingly enough for his case was that there was no one in the room with him to hear it. Some one down stairs hear the rumour in Crowley's room (falling dead on the floor) and went to see what's going on and found Crowley dead (with the chest under bed).


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26/02/2020 9:22 pm  
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But biographers did not forgotten to mention his last words (before he died), something about being perpelxed...

Depending on which biographer, and who's telling the story, his last words vary quite a bit. "I am perplexed," is one version, perhaps the most popular.

Posted by: @nassah

Interestingly enough for his case was that there was no one in the room with him to hear it.

Yes. I believe his "last words" were uttered in the presence of a witness (to hear them) a bit before he fell down and died.


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26/02/2020 10:39 pm  
Posted by: @behemoth

I believe Crowley had also quite roomy and spacious dwellings in part of the property all to himself?

From memory, I believe he had room Number 13 on the first floor, although the floor was not "all to himself" as far as I'm aware.

Antony Clayton goes into marvellous detail of Crowley's time there from 1945-47 in his study of the property called "Netherwood", which I highly recommend.

Posted by: @shiva

Depending on which biographer, and who's telling the story, his last words vary quite a bit. "I am perplexed," is one version, perhaps the most popular.

Gerald Suster, in his study of Crowley called "The Legacy of The Beast", went into all of the various versions of this, and the circumstances in which A.C. is supposed to have taken his leave from this mortal coil.  From memory also, there seemed to be at least half a dozen good possibilities, and I like the one where there is a peak of thunder to announce the moment of his departure on what was reported otherwise to be a calm winter's day.

Memory almost full/ fading fast,

N Joy


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