Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page Established a Connection With Actor Michael Caine Through a Riverside House
"Page owned English occultist Aleister Crowley’s Scottish estate for several years. He rarely spent time there, but it was the site of a memorable Led Zeppelin moment from the movie The Song Remains the Same. Page also broke off his shared vacation with Plant’s family in 1975 to visit a Crowley residence in Sicily, per Centennial Media’s Legends of Music Spotlight: Led Zeppelin."
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@lashtal You and ptoner have reminded me of an old chestnut from the Crowley-Plant Led Zeppelin conspiracy vault. It prompted me to re-read a website entitled, carwreackdebangs, which has an article entitled, "Aleister Crwoley, Jimmy Page and the Curse of Led Zepplin-When myth, magick, and weird facts collide." It is an entertaining read. I don't know how much stock I take in "Crowley Curses", but evidently Jimmy Page does (according to the article) I don't know that for certain. (Certainty in anything is at a low ebb right now) . But I can say for certain, is that Aleister Crowly, MacGregor Mathers, Westcott, A.E. Waite, et al, certainly did.
Led Zeppelin conspiracy vault
^ A new style of blocked quotes? ^
Toad Person, Stool, Sir: Please differentiate between conspiracy and synchronicity. While you're at it, make coincidence fit in or out as well.
Let's face it. Mr Page was playing around in Chapel Perilous, and strange stories emerge if one takes strange catalysts
@shiva I never said I believed any of it. But if it makes you happy, synchronicity and coincidence. Happy now?
I never said I believed any of it
You were never accused of "believing any of it."
My point was (if I can remember what it was) that there is no need for conspiracy theories when it's obvious on the surface that Page and Caine had something in common. Or that strange catalysts give rise to mysterious and inexplicable visions, events, and associations.
There is Magick at work here, and one needs to refer to the Jungian acausal association in order to make sensible sense.
Examples of such things are The Cairo Reception, The AL Puzzle-Cipher, The Theory of the Aeons, Sex, Page's secret, and so on ...
synchronicity and coincidence. Happy now?
Of course not, you stoolie! You forgot to differentiate them and you left out both conspiracy and luck.
That's the gangster scene, right?
Please explain "gangster" association.
@shiva So leasing property is now "Magick"? And implies some mysterious connection? For some reason I find the salacious rumors about Page's relationship with Crowley's Magick and the death of Robert Plant's son and drummer John Bonham (a drunk who drank himself to death) to be much more compelling than a real estate deal.
That's the gangster scene, right? 🙂
No, the gangster sequence was filmed at Horselunges, a very attractive house owned at the time by the manager, Peter Grant.
The 'memorable moment' mentioned is the hill climb and transformation to Hermit.
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@lashtal aha thank you. I should rewatch some of that . Always interesting old names for homes and pubs in the UK... I have a book from when I was a kid I recorded all the pub names we drove by or had lunch at.
Horselunge.
The Mews
... http://projectbritain.com/housenames.htm
I've been to Chartwell. That was impressive
So leasing property is now "Magick"?
Of course it is !!! "Every act is a Magickal Act." That's where are this abstract, number-filled, mystical woo=woo gets applied in practical matters in the real outside exterior matrix illusion world.
This concept (Every Act = Magick) lies at the heart of applied Thelema and was covered by Therion the Great in Book 4 - Part III.
Setting all that aside, which is what most people do - The properties, the actors involved, and the invocation of Chapel Perilous, as these folks were known to indulge, all point to heavy Magick (change) in play. That's why it comes to be on our breakfast plate this sunny morn.
And implies some mysterious connection?
"Success is your proof." There is no other "proof." Page got rich. Page bought Boleskine. Boleskine did not burn. Page sold Boleskine. A successful operation.
... than a real estate deal.
We know you are opposed to getting down in the dirt in the wilderness, and so your opinion as to what is interesting (people dying?) cannot be taken seriously, especially in relation to Real Estate and such.
@shiva Where do you get the idea that I am opposed to getting down into the dirt of the wilderness? How do you know I haven't? I am just saying that people dying before their time, with ties to a Crowley devotee makes for better sensationalist Press. Scandalous news stories about Crowley and his abbey of Thelema were all the rage in early 20th century, especially in regard to the untimely death of Raoul Loveday, whose wife Betty May blamed on a ritual which involved drinking cat's blood. Crowley was a habitual attention seeker; he would have been pleased by the press.
Where do you get the idea that I am opposed to getting down into the dirt of the wilderness?
We discussed this very thing - way back when you were a little stoolie, and Ignant and I were encouraging you to do a Vision Quest, without support, in the wilderness of your choice. I think just 24 hours was recommended as the entry-level endurance.
But you said you couldn't do that due to some unspecified problem with legal drugs. That is where I got that silly idea. But you may not be opposed to the "idea" of stretching your consciousness back into primal mode in the valley of desolation.
How do you know I haven't?
You might have. All kids get dirty, somehow. Here's an advanced secret: When you can do this sort of ting, and appear to be clean, alert, and orderly, then you have passed the test. The test starts out dirty. Who can survive on nothing, with nothing? I guess I'll dig up some yams or grubs.
The test is passed when you are at home in nowhere. You don't have to live there, you just have to feel comfortable.
What do you think? Have you done these outlandish things (going into the outland) in any way. Maybe you were in the Cubs, the Brownies, the Scouts? The, um, military? Crowley did his tour in the mountains ... mostly above the tree line.
Anyway, this Page-Caine thing has no meaning or context for us, does it? If only one word were added to the headline, things would come into focus a bit ... or fade away out of boredom. That "one word" would be an adjective, such as ...
Jimmy Page Established a [insert some sort of meaningful adjective here] Connection With Actor Michael Caine
@shiva I have already experimented with L.S.D. and had that primal experience. I love reading books when under the influence (in bits and pieces, concentration is very difficult, but not impossible) I remember reading passages from Dante's Divine Comedy. I took that journey with the poet through the dark forest of the opening passages. I could not get past the lines of writing that seemed to create concrete images that Dante described. I took the journey with him, left my dormitory and went and gazed at the stars that seemed to pulsate light. It was marvelous, unforgettable.
I have already experimented with L.S.D. and had that primal experience.
In the wilderness ... LSD or not. Let's get physical, physical.
The point (here) revolves around Dirt, Real Estate, and Jimmy Page.
I took the journey with him, left my dormitory and went and gazed at the stars that seemed to pulsate light. It was marvelous, unforgettable.
Okay. We'll assume you took this poison before it was illegal or in some legal venue. I will now award you the Acolyte degree in Thelemapharmacopeia. But, look, what kind of relationship was this Page-Caine thing? Is that elucidated anywhere in the references?
@shiva Personally, I think the Page-Caine thing is spurious at best. (so what if Page rented property to Michael Caine, big fricken whoop, so what?) Why it was written in the stars! Anyway, I thought you wanted to dwell on wilderness weekends and the Chapel Perilous. I've had several voyages of self-discovery. (Does camping out on occasion and canoe trips count?).
(so what if Page rented property to Michael Caine, big fricken whoop, so what?)
Agreed.
I thought you wanted to dwell on wilderness weekends and the Chapel Perilous.
Those subjects are "touch-and-go" [No Dwelling]. Dwelling on off-topic subjects is forbidden, O Toad, unto thee ... and me.
The forums are running slowly right now. No major contests of Will and Illusion in the Octagon, no mathematical heresies are being promoted, RTC has gone to Reddit along with Los so we don't have any clown shows going, and The End of Civilization (as predicted by AC) has paused while we catch a prana or two.
So what pops up in the middle of the Void in the center of the Doldrums?
Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page Established a Connection With Actor Michael Caine Through a Riverside House
I do not mean to fall into slavish imitation, but ... so what?
@shiva Who are RTC and Los? I have kind of sensed a real lack of energy in the posts lately. (As you wrote, "The Doldrums") Well, give me time. I am sure I can come up with some incendiary and scandalous viewpoint that would put the vinegar back into the body politic. Nothing raises the dead like outrage.
@shiva Who are RTC and Los?
RTC basically says that AL was faked and Crowley had little or nothing to do with the Aeon but that the Aeon is still a thing. He also claims to have created something called the Horus Toy, which he says will produce repeatable magickal effects (I think?) and he claims some innovations in sex magick that seem to be stuff recycled from a book written over 30 years ago.
He's been promoting the Horus Toy for a while but refused to actually demonstrate it, and promises to share plans for making one but never actually shares them.
Los was from before my time but he seemed to hold the position that Thelema would be better if it got rid of the magickal component.
People who have been here much longer than me could tell you a lot more.
Nothing raises the dead like outrage.
But it hardly ever produces constructive or useful discussion.
@shiva Who are RTC and Los?
RTC basically says that AL was faked and Crowley had little or nothing to do with the Aeon but that the Aeon is still a thing. He also claims to have created something called the Horus Toy, which he says will produce repeatable magickal effects (I think?) and he claims some innovations in sex magick that seem to be stuff recycled from a book written over 30 years ago.
He's been promoting the Horus Toy for a while but refused to actually demonstrate it, and promises to share plans for making one but never actually shares them.
Los was from before my time but he seemed to hold the position that Thelema would be better if it got rid of the magickal component.
People who have been here much longer than me could tell you a lot more.
Nothing raises the dead like outrage.
But it hardly ever produces constructive or useful discussion.
" But it hardly produces construction or useful discussion" We aren't getting any of that either lately. Conflict and argument are far more useful and constructive., or at the very least, more enjoyable.
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I just personally prefer quality over quantity.
I also acknowledge that I say this without having started a thread in a long time.
People who have been here much longer than me could tell you a lot more.
Nothing more to tell. Pity not the fallen. Have they fallen? Well, they're not here, are they? When I look around in a Panoramic 360 Review, everything else appears to be downhill - so, yeah, if you're not here, you're there (some downhill Reddit hole or Face smear) ... so you must have tripped, fallen, or slunk away.
Both entities under critical review share a common factor: They both know how things really work ... and we (the remainder) DON'T. We are therefore to be known as "clowns" or "close-minded."
Sticks and Stones.
"construction or useful discussion" We aren't getting any of that either lately.
These are the Doldrums. There are periods when one post a day is doing good. Usually, three days max without a post can occur.
Right now, the external matrix is turning sour and dark, so people have serious problems to cope with - and they don't have the time or inclination to dabble in abstract Crowleyisms ... while all the really Sirius people are busy talking to their Angel, trying to find the way out.
That leaves a bunch of retarded non-entities who are able to peck out a few lines of imitated wisdom before they are forced to cope once again with the physical reality that is a'changin' ...
Conflict and argument are far more useful and constructive., or at the very least, more enjoyable.
Eeek! I believe you are an agent provocateur.
Well Lottie-Da!
On this note of flippancy, I forego further abstractisms and turn my attention to the Malkuthian muddle ...
Both entities under critical review share a common factor: They both know how things really work ... and we (the remainder) DON'T. We are therefore to be known as "clowns" or "close-minded."
Having an open mind doesn't mean that your mind has to be open to everything.
while all the really Sirius people are busy talking to their Angel, trying to find the way out.
Some of us try to do that and participate here too. Some of us. 😀
Well Lottie-Da!
Sorry for having standards. I stay here to learn and exchange ideas. Trolling and arguing aren't fun or interesting for me.
@katrice At least I got a dialogue going with you and Shiva. After reading my Thoth Deck, the Seven of Cups (debauch) and the Eight of cups (Indolence) appeared. Truely, as Crowley wrote, The tarot is a razor! Indeed, these are dire times.
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Considering your Tarot reading....lets hope Miss Lattie Da was of age...
@hadgigegenraum I wasn't thinking of Miss Lotte Da at the time of my reading. It was more of a general reading to reveal external environmental influences. There seems to be a miasma of lethargy on the discussion board. Honestly, I can't think of anything interesting to say at this time. Tomorrow is another day.
Trolling and arguing aren't fun or interesting for me.
But they come. And when they do, they provide fodder for the Cannon of Wisdom. That's where the troll exhibits all the characteristics of a bad person and a lazy aspirant. Then the Cannoners point at these errors, or shameless exhibitions, or theses without proofs or references. Then the whole wotld, at least that part that reads LAShTAL, gets a lesson ... and hopefully applies it to themselves.
However, you are certainly at Will to step aside when the grind gets bumpy and the shouting and yelling starts. Any sane person would take that approach out.
the Seven of Cups (debauch) and the Eight of cups (Indolence) appeared.
Context, please. The meaning of these cards is meaningless unless we know which position they were found in ... [past, future, goals, opposition, etc]
lets hope Miss Lattie Da was of age...
Little Da(ling) is, of course, "of age." Everybody has an age number they carry around - except for those in the first year, with is either numbered as zero or expressed in moons.
@shiva The Seven of Cups, the Significator, or subject of the reading. (me) Eight of cups, Recent Past. The Outcome the Hanged Man Which I interpret as sacrifice, crucifixion. I'm in very good company.
The Outcome the Hanged Man Which I interpret as sacrifice, crucifixion. I'm in very good company.
Hey! Maybe I can get you out of your Jam-Bucket-Pit-Cell-Hole [pick one].
This Hanged Man stuff irritates me. I thinks folks see that card and say, "Oh dear, not me." It used to be The Drowned Sailor - so something is dying (or dead) - yet we see that seminal light at the bottom.
When it comes time to assign practices, or results, or actions to the Atu, and thus the Paths, the Haning Man is dhyana. Is there a sacrifice? Sure: Hod - stop the infernal mind and get upstairs to a higher mind. This is the Hod-Geburah elevator
So let me get this straight... Mss Lattie Da was caught in an elevator with an actor and a rock guitarist who had a connection that some think is one house or some other house... and some how Aleister Crowley came to the rescue of the young lass, who was most appreciative, for the purported man that was hung upside down, between one house and another house, found in the papers the next day the same old tales of debauchery and indolence of the rich and famous... To which when later asked by reporters, Mr. Crowley, with Ms Lattie Da, now with shocking dyed red hair and odd haircut, no longer shocking, responded to the recent lecture on stopping the infernal mind, by saying nothing! And then proceeded to light his pipe which caused a flurry of commotion about the planet, that seemed to make Aleister puff some more, creating a cloud of smoke of such density that then next thing you know that Aleister and Miss Da where nowhere to be seen...
From that point on no one ever wrote another word about connections, (well that is what started this thread), as connections seem to suggestive of connections that might have something to do with the debauchery and indolence and the hanged man connected to one house or the other house...and some movie about the record needle caught on the same song over and over again...which is another way to stop the infernal mind, which can be ignored as easily as this little report.
This Hanged Man stuff irritates me. I thinks folks see that card and say, "Oh dear, not me." It used to be The Drowned Sailor -
Can you give a source for this? The earliest example I know is the poem The Waste Land. The earliest name I know of is from Pratesi's Cartomancer and that's The Traitor.
When it comes time to assign practices, or results, or actions to the Atu, and thus the Paths, the Haning Man is dhyana. Is there a sacrifice? Sure: Hod - stop the infernal mind and get upstairs to a higher mind. This is the Hod-Geburah elevator
The Hanged Man steps outside of the rational and the ego and get a glimpse of what lies beyond. The only sacrifice is what is illusory.
The illusion of the 7 of Cups and the abandonment of the 8 of Cups fit nicely with this.
Time to do some Sitting. 😉
So let me get this straight...
You got it straight enough. All the elements are there for a New Aeon.
We're out of the doldrums!...Qabbalistic winds are reported to be blowing once again in the II. 76 "octagon"(s)...
@shiva The Hanged Man is one of my favorite cards, to be suspended on a tight wire over the Abyss like Nietzsche's Zarathustra is an exciting place to be. It is Osirus mutilated, locked in the chest by Seth. It is the life-force. My other favorite cards are The Magician and The Fool.
It is the life-force.
I will grant you that it is one aspect of the "life force." Other cards (all of them, in fact) are also aspects of said "force."
My other favorite cards are The Magician and The Fool.
You are not "supposed" to have favorites if you're walking or crawling along The Path. Favorites imply bias, which is quickly identified and ridiculed. Save yourself the agony and just accept all cards as equal. If you do this, your Debauchery will turn into The Magus.
... good for something.
Of course! Nobody ever said you were worthless.
@shiva Great insight! Thank you. No, no one said I was worthless, it was a feeble attempt at humor.
When I see some of the greats of the 1960s and 70s I think of a line from The Lady from Shanghai (1947).
RITA: it is difficult for love to last long; therefore, one who loves passionately is cured of love - in the end....There's more to the proverb. Human nature is eternal; therefore, one who follows his nature, keeps his original nature - in the end.
from The Lady from Shanghai (1947).
Fascinated by gorgeous Mrs. Bannister, seaman Michael O'Hara joins a bizarre yachting cruise, and ends up mired in a complex murder plot.
Oh, dear!
I fear ...
The Plot ...
The Cruise ...
and the vampirous Mrs Ban-nister