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The mysterious Edinburgh secret society with a temple to the supernatural

 

The Golden Dawn was linked to a number of scandals, partly thanks to the heavy involvement of Aleister Crowley, who is often considered the founder of modern Satanism

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https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/mysterious-edinburgh-secret-society-temple-21326111


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Posted by: @ptoner

The Golden Dawn was linked to a number of scandals, partly thanks to the heavy involvement of Aleister Crowley, who is often considered the founder of modern Satanism

"face palm emoji"

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/mysterious-edinburgh-secret-society-temple-21326111

Well, to be honest, he is considered a very prominent Satanist in popular imagination, even if that view is completely wrong, so technically they are kind of right there, if sensationalistic and possibly disingenuous.   


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Posted by: @katrice

he is considered a very prominent Satanist in popular imagination

Of course he is. (As recently mentioned) he was clever enough to write that Aiwass, his HGA, was Satan, the Devil. Just before that (on the same page), he wrote, "The Devil does not exist." So we know there's some Crowley-discrepancy, or some cosmic puzzle, or at least a warning about the reality of Satanism.

 


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but no matter how you go about it, he's certainly not the founder of modern Satanism. Technically that would be LaVey, though he did take inspiration from Crowley.

And Rand, and Ragnar Redbeard.

And got his aesthetic from Dennis Wheatley, who got his information from Rollo Ahmed, and Montague Summers. 


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Serious question, have Golden Dawn teachings, doctrines, and ritual, been effectual without the influence of AC? I can think of Regardie who clearly favored it over AC, and the Cicero's, but I can think of no other major developments since Dion Fortune's writings of whom most people would consider an important contribution but her writings are not usually considered to be relevant must have's to modern practitioners.  

In Prophetes Veritas Venit. Quod ambulas cum Thelema et Agape est semper fidelis pietas.


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Posted by: @katrice

@shiva 

but no matter how you go about it, he's certainly not the founder of modern Satanism. Technically that would be LaVey, though he did take inspiration from Crowley.

And Rand, and Ragnar Redbeard.

And got his aesthetic from Dennis Wheatley, who got his information from Rollo Ahmed, and Montague Summers. 

Does anyone serious take the writings of LaVey serious?  C'mon.

Apparently he took to calling himself Dr. In later life!  Just a typical American prankster and that's not racist.  America seems to have always had tolerance moreso for pranksters.

Christ knows what his degree was in and how he obtained it.  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Just a typical American prankster and that's not racist.  America seems to have always had tolerance moreso for pranksters.

And here all these years I didn't know 'American' was a 'race.' 


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Posted by: @runelogix

Serious question, have Golden Dawn teachings, doctrines, and ritual, been effectual without the influence of AC?

Can you define effectual in this context? Causing visible appearance of spirits?

Manifest improvement in one's personal life?

Looks sufficiently cool? 


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Does anyone serious take the writings of LaVey serious?  C'mon.

Apparently he took to calling himself Dr. In later life!  Just a typical American prankster and that's not racist.  America seems to have always had tolerance moreso for pranksters.

Christ knows what his degree was in and how he obtained it.  

Plenty of people take him seriously, though they probably shouldn't.  Nonetheless, you can't deny how influential he has been. He pretty much codified the Immanent branch of the path.

He was certainly a huckster in most ways but he had some interesting ideas, like the use of William Mortensen's Command To Look principle, and he was a master at the use of aesthetics in ritual.

 But I still find him ridiculous.

He claimed that "Doctor" was a high ranking title in the Church of Satan. Take that as you will. 😉 


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Posted by: @katrice
Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

 

Plenty of people take him seriously, though they probably shouldn't.  Nonetheless, you can't deny how influential he has been. He pretty much codified the Immanent branch of the path.

He was certainly a huckster in most ways but he had some interesting ideas, like the use of William Mortensen's Command To Look principle, and he was a master at the use of aesthetics in ritual.

 But I still find him ridiculous.

He claimed that "Doctor" was a high ranking title in the Church of Satan. Take that as you will. 😉 

He hated hippies i.e. the 60s Love , Peace and the Intelligence-increase Revolution.

Yeah I guess he was the Devil.    

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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all these years I didn't know 'American' was a 'race.'

Yes, it's the Race to achieve the American Dream. Almost everybody is in it.

 


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