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The Paul McCartney error that led to Beatles album 'Sgt. Pepper'


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As with every Fab Four release, the lyrics have been pawed over for decades. The album was released 20 years after the writer died, a fact which has led many to suggest that when the band sing “It was 20 years ago today, Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play,” it highlights their allegiance to the writer. It’s a little flimsy, at best, and at worst, totally irrational.

It’s a claim that others suggest is substantiated by Lennon’s now-infamous 1980 interview with Playboy’s David Sheff. In the interview, he seems to replicate Aleister Crowley’s most famous mantra: “Do what thou wilst is the whole of the Law,” when he said, “Do what thou wilst, as long as it doesn’t hurt somebody.” However, now, it would seem that it came to McCartney after a misheard request for salt and pepper.

 

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-paul-mccartney-error-that-led-to-beatles-album-sgt-pepper/


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So it was 20 years ago today that Sargent Pepper (Crowley, who passed away in 1947) "taught the band to play". What, at his own funeral?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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It came out in 1967, when 1947 was 20 years ago.

Presumably AC could have "taught the band to play" (ie taught them the Secrets of magick) at any time before his death. The album came out in May '67; AC was alive and well in May '47.


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

So it was 20 years ago today that Sargent Pepper (Crowley, who passed away in 1947) "taught the band to play". What, at his own funeral?

Posted by: @ignant666

It came out in 1967, when 1947 was 20 years ago.

Presumably AC could have "taught the band to play" (ie taught them the Secrets of magick) at any time before his death. The album came out in May '67; AC was alive and well in May '47.

Songwriting is very often a sub-conscious process whereas you don't always know what you are writing about or all the inferences that a lyric may contain until later. Double and triple meanings are common...usually of a sexual nature.

Therefore the salt and pepper story could be part of the story. But not the entire story. It could all be true. Also, there was more than one songwriter. Many artists and writers talk about the experience of creating something as just taking notes...that the writing/song comes already complete from some "other realm." Jim Morrison said he was high on acid and just taking notes at this incredible rock concert in his head.

Songs often evolve from multiple influences. The Crowley and occult influences on the Beatles are not a secret and well documented. Just watch the movie Help (which came out before Sgt Pepper) or look at the Help album cover where the Beatles are doing the signs of the grades:

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Crowley never "played" any instruments. He wasn't a musician. Teaching someone to "play" could mean just that. Look at the definition of the word. Crowley wrote books. Therefore Crowley could still be teaching people to "play" today.

From: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/play

play

verb
 
playedplayingplays

Definition of play

intransitive verb

1ato engage in sport or recreation FROLIC
bto have sexual relations especially to have promiscuous or illicit sexual relations usually used in the phrase play around
c(1)to move aimlessly about : TRIFLE
(2)to toy or fiddle around with something played with her food
(3)to deal or behave frivolously or mockingly : JEST
(4)to deal in a light, speculative, or sportive manner
(5)to make use of double meaning or of the similarity of sound of two words for stylistic or humorous effect
 

Let's not forget that the Beatles put Crowley's picture on the Sgt Pepper album cover. This was controversial and caused a lot of interest in Crowley and occult stuff in the 60s when it was released:

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Could we be any more obvious?

Just as Mick Jaggar said about "Sympathy for the Devil" in Rolling Stone:

https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/mick-jagger-remembers-92946/

Did it cause you to back off that kind of satanic imagery?
The satanic-imagery stuff was very overplayed [by journalists]. We didn’t want to really go down that road. And I felt that song was enough. You didn’t want to make a career out of it. But bands did that – Jimmy Page, for instance.

Big Aleister Crowley…
I knew lots of people that were into Aleister Crowley. What I’m saying is, it wasn’t what I meant by the song “Sympathy for the Devil.” If you read it, it’s not about black magic, per se.

Sounds like classic deflection..."I knew a lot of people that used drugs...never touched em myself though..." "I have a lot of gay friends..." etc.

...ya everyone dances around it...don't want to admit it...but AC's influence is still there.

 


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...ya everyone dances around it...don't want to admit it...but AC's influence is still there.

Of course it is. But what I don't get is why so many people link AC with the Devil. He made a pointed point about this ...

"The Devil does not exist. It is a false name invented by the Black Brothers to imply a Unity in their ignorant muddle of dispersions. A devil who had unity would be a God."

This [^] was always my understanding. ... Except I got caught up in the fact that this Devil was merely the concept of a separated self, sometimes known as the ego (but I prefer to make this assignment to the Id.

But then, following the above quoted revelation, Therion follows up with this ...

The Devil” is, historically, the God of any people that one personally dislikes. This has led to so much confusion of thought that THE BEAST 666 has preferred to let names stand as they are, and to proclaim simply that AIWAZ — the solar-phallic-hermetic “Lucifer” is His own Holy Guardian Angel, and “The Devil” SATAN or HADIT ..."

Quotes from Book 4, Part III

No wonder people get confused.


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Posted by: @shiva

Of course it is. But what I don't get is why so many people link AC with the Devil.

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No wonder people get confused.

You already know this but...for others listening...Crowley loved the attention and encouraged the salacious rumors (or laughed them off as so ridiculous no one would believe them) and he didn't seem to care. Didn't he lose his friend Col. Fuller over his unwillingness to defend his reputation? As for AC's association with Satanism, he didn't help matters with this quote either:

(most likely stated under the influence of cocaine and/or heroin)

from: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/248135-i-was-not-content-to-believe-in-a-personal-devil

“I was not content to believe in a personal devil and serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word. I wanted to get hold of him personally and become his chief of staff.”

He also called himself The Beast 666 which bible thumpers and earthlings tend to associate with the Devil.


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Of course it is. But what I don't get is why so many people link AC with the Devil. He made a pointed point about this ...

"The Devil does not exist. It is a false name invented by the Black Brothers to imply a Unity in their ignorant muddle of dispersions. A devil who had unity would be a God."

That quote isn't as sensationalistic, and also wouldn't sell as well, as calling himself the Beast 666.  People want a spectacle. Whether or not it's true is irrelevant to them, an sensationalistic lie will be believed quicker than a boring truth.   

 


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People want a spectacle. Whether or not it's true is irrelevant ...

Well, isn't that the truth, whether or not it's true.

And it's also convenient to quote the second part of my quote ("Aiwass is Satan the Devil"), wgich can easily support a boatload of Satanic Revelry.


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Posted by: @ignant666

It came out in 1967, when 1947 was 20 years ago.

Presumably AC could have "taught the band to play" (ie taught them the Secrets of magick) at any time before his death. The album came out in May '67; AC was alive and well in May '47.

 Lennon had a big mouth. If he was as  obsessed with AC as elitemachinery deludes we would know a lot about it.  We don't.  There's one or at a stretch, two magazine -interview references about 'Doing what you 'wilst'.  He even got that wrong (wilst).    Lennon was not belmurru here, he was not a Crowley scholar.  I mean yet again the HELP album-cover BS has reared it's head on the forum (below).   That is not four guys making elemental signs.  Anyone who even entertains that thought has far too much time on their hands.  No, they are trying to spell the word 'HELP' with their fucking arms! The album was called 'HELP', Geddit?   End of fucking story. 

 

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Songs often evolve from multiple influences. The Crowley and occult influences on the Beatles are not a secret and well documented. Just watch the movie Help (which came out before Sgt Pepper) or look at the Help album cover where the Beatles are doing the signs of the grades:

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Y'see Do what thou wilt sums up in a Nut shell what happened as Victorian values (including class- subjugation) began to crack.  It's the zeitgeist and Elvis and Chuck Berry etc etc etc and the folks they influenced (Fab 4 etc etc ) were obviously 'a part of it all' so yeah I agree that the artists in question were radars .....   but you are looking for Jesus (or The Beast)  in the toast and finding him.  It's silly.        

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People like to play.
Aleister knew that.
He liked to play,
and so the devil came out;
touching the radiant spheres;
adumbrating deliverance.
The worldling transfixed;
in place;
a scarlet woman upon the throne
of the beast with seven throbbing heads and ten horns;
drinking wine from her fornications;
flowing out the gluten of the eagle, the kalas of lilith,
from the holy of the holies
revel
in the Lila.
Chandali rising.
“ The unveiling of the company of heaven. “
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"
"Love is the law, love under will."


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I agree that Sgt Pepper had very little to do with AC, and that, while chronologically he "could [possibly] have "taught the band to play"", he did not.

For one thing, "20 years ago today", in May '47, John and Ringo were 7, Paul was 5, and George was 4.

As to the HELP! cover "signs of the grades"/semaphore signals: if they are spelling something using semaphore, they are not spelling "H-E-L-P". They are spelling "N-U-J-D":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_semaphore


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I agree that Sgt Pepper had very little to do with AC, and that, while chronologically he "could [possibly] have "taught the band to play"", he did not.

For one thing, "20 years ago today", in May '47, John and Ringo were 7, Paul was 5, and George was 4.

As to the HELP! cover "signs of the grades"/semaphore signals: if they are spelling something using semaphore, they are not spelling "H-E-L-P". They are spelling "N-U-J-D":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_semaphore

Yes if it is semaphore signals then it's  N U J V.  I'm convinced that these signals then were either chosen randomly or at least had absolutely nothing to do with Crowley and secret codes.   Below shows the INRI analysis signs in the top row and the second row is Opening and Rending of the veil.   The third  row shows the elemental sign of Water then Fire and the next is the elemental sign for Air.  The final row ; Earth.  If the Fab 4 were trying to do the elemental signs then they must've been totally stoned.  

 

 

 

Regarding The Beatles HELP cover;

 

I guess Ringo looks like he is doing Earth sign whist Lennon is doing the sign of Set-Apophis.   McCartney is doing a bad version of Isis in mourning and Harrison's Osiris slain is a very lazy version or maybe he's doing a limp Opening of the veil sign. 

 

Well there's 10 minutes I won't get back.  

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from the holy of the holies

What hole are you talking about? Surely, not The Pit called Because.

 


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Lennon had a big mouth. If he was as  obsessed with AC as elitemachinery deludes we would know a lot about it.  We don't.  There's one or at a stretch, two magazine -interview references about 'Doing what you 'wilst'.  He even got that wrong (wilst).    Lennon was not belmurru here, he was not a Crowley scholar. 

Since when do you have to be "obsessed" or a "scholar" on a subject to write songs about things? Songwriters write songs about headlines they see in the newspaper and about news items they didn't bother to read. They dabble in many things and read many things if they are curious and smart. Good lyrics are not a deep dive usually. They mention and convey a few thoughts in rhyme and song and on they go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Day_in_the_Life

"Lennon's lyrics were mainly inspired by contemporary newspaper articles, including a report on the death of Guinness heir Tara Browne."

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There is ample evidence that the Beatles had interest in Crowley. They openly admitted it when they put Crowley on the cover of Sgt. Pepper saying these are "people we like."

Sgt Pepper was a fictional character and a cheeky nod to Crowley. A psychedelic version. It's no capitol crime. This was the 60s. People were reading occult books. They were on LSD. They were clearly serious about their work, but they weren't serious. They were having fun. The lyrics aren't meant to be literal. It's a fictional band. Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band. It's fantasy. No one taught the band to play anything.

But Crowley being controversial I don't expect the Beatles or anyone else to go head on into confessing they were full on Satanists or some thing. Full on confessions are rare. Steven Tyler's confession about doing Crowley sex magick to become successful is rare.

The Beatles were having fun. It's real simple. Do what thou wilst. Or "Do What Thou Wilt." They got it. They liked the guy. They had a sense of humor and had fun with it. Get over it. So what.

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The old saying is: "To ask the question is to know the answer." As far as I know there are no books written about William Butler Yeats influences on rock n roll. Or Pee Wee Herman, or you for that matter. That's because there are none. And there is no evidence. In Crowley's case there is much evidence and there are many books that cover the subject of Crowley's influence on rock culture and culture in general. Now, admittedly the legend has been exaggerated at times. But isn't that how myths and legends work?

Crowley's influence could be much more vast than we even fathom. And wouldn't that be just like the man? Wasn't he good at taking credit for pretty much everything?

Ozzy Ozbourne wrote a song about Aleister Crowley. It's quite good. It's called Mr. Crowley. Can we all agree that the song is about AC? Or is that a point of contention also?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3LvhdFEOqs

Is Ozzy Ozbourne some Crowley obsessed fanatic or scholar? No! Quite the contrary. He didn't know what Crowley looked like:

“When we were recording the Ozzmosis album we did a batch of it in New York. There was this occult bookstore...and they had everything in there on Wicca, Catholicism, Satanism, the whole nine yards. I was getting some Aleister Crowley stuff because Jimmy Page owned the castle (Crowley's former home) and the other guys were into him. ...I go to get his poster they had in there, I go "How much for this poster?" and the guy looks at me deadpan and goes "$6.66." I put seven bucks down and say "Keep the goddamn change. I can't take it, dude." So I hang the poster up and the boss man (Ozzy) walks in and he goes "Zakk, who's the guy upon the wall?" . I'm crying laughing and he goes "Zakk, who the fuck is he?!" I said "Ozz, you don't know who that is?" He goes "I don't fucking know, who is it?!" I said "Ozz! It's Aleister Crowley, bro!" He goes "Oh is that what that bald-headed cunt looks like?”

Jon Wiederhorn, Louder Than Hell: The Definitive Oral History of Metal

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Jimmy Page was neck deep in Crowley. He's collected all his artifacts and bought the Boleskine house for fucks sake. Mick Jagger was hanging out with Kenneth Anger (Crowley's biggest disciple) and working on music and a film with him called Lucifer Rising and writing songs like Sympathy for the Devil.

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Clearly Crowley never held a "generals rank" or "was around when Jesus Christ had his moment of doubt and pain" but this isn't meant to be factual...it's mythology...but wasn't  Crowley present "When the Blitzkrieg reined and the bodies stank?" And, according to Tobias Churton, Crowley made a narrow escape from that place.

It's mythology. The subject of the song is a God aka as Satan. We already knew that. The word "Devil" is in the title of the song. So why does Jagger keep saying "What's my name?" "Hope you guessed my name" repeatedly? Is he talking about someone else? Is this another cheeky reference to Crowley?

That's up to the listener to decide. But Jagger's vague deflection that he "knew a lot of people that were into Aleister Crowley" and that the song "wasn't about that..per se" sounds like an admission to me.

This is how myths and legends are born and grow. They get blown way out of proportion. People write songs about the subjects. The stories get larger and more fantastical every time they are told.

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There is ample evidence that the Beatles had interest in Crowley. They openly admitted it when they put Crowley on the cover of Sgt. Pepper saying these are "people we like."..................................................

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I think it's already been established that X-Factor's Sharon's hubbie Ozzie did not write songs.   I already explained that to you last year or whenever. 

 

Regarding The Beatles HELP cover;

I guess Ringo looks like he is doing Earth sign whist Lennon is doing the sign of Set-Apophis. McCartney is doing a bad version of Isis in Mourning and Harrison's Osiris slain is a very lazy version or maybe he's doing a limp Opening of the Veil sign so could you now explain why some people think that the HELP album cover is loaded with occult symbolism?

 

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could you now explain why some people think that the HELP album cover is loaded with occult symbolism?

The Help cover is simply four chaps in archaic costume making poses that resemble the Signs of the Grades. There's nothing else there. I haven't read elitemachinery or anyone else for that matter assert that the cover is "loaded with occult symbolism", but simply pretty much what you have conceded - that the poses resemble the Signs of the Grades.

This could of course just be a coincidence, but more likely the poses are deliberately aping the Signs of the Grades. It might be that the one or more of the Beatles suggested this; it could equally be the case that it was one collective pose amongst several from which this particular collective pose was chosen.

In Magical Mystery Tour, the 1967 film starring the Beatles, several numbers of the Carfax Monographs (issued by Kenneth & Steffi Grant between 1959 and 1963) are seen pinned to a wall in the magician's lair. One could leap to the conclusion that this indicated interest by one or more of the Beatles in the work of the Grants; more likely to my mind, though, it was simply the choice of a set designer for something occult-like, and several numbers of the Carfax Monographs were to hand.

 


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could you now explain why some people think that the HELP album cover is loaded with occult symbolism?

The Help cover is simply four chaps in archaic costume making poses that resemble the Signs of the Grades. There's nothing else there. I haven't read elitemachinery or anyone else for that matter assert that the cover is "loaded with occult symbolism", but simply pretty much what you have conceded - that the poses resemble the Signs of the Grades.

This could of course just be a coincidence, but more likely the poses are deliberately aping the Signs of the Grades. It might be that the one or more of the Beatles suggested this; it could equally be the case that it was one collective pose amongst several from which this particular collective pose was chosen.

In Magical Mystery Tour, the 1967 film starring the Beatles, several numbers of the Carfax Monographs (issued by Kenneth & Steffi Grant between 1959 and 1963) are seen pinned to a wall in the magician's lair. One could leap to the conclusion that this indicated interest by one or more of the Beatles in the work of the Grants; more likely to my mind, though, it was simply the choice of a set designer for something occult-like, and several numbers of the Carfax Monographs were to hand.

 

See elites post above from 31-07-21 2.34 a.m.. where he wrote "Songs often evolve from multiple influences. The Crowley and occult influences on the Beatles are not a secret and well documented. Just watch the movie Help (which came out before Sgt Pepper) or look at the Help album cover where the Beatles are doing the signs of the grades:".

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[quoting elitemachinery ] . . . look at the Help album cover where the Beatles are doing the signs of the grades:".

You quote elitemachinery as saying that the Beatles are "doing the signs of the grades". Well, they do appear to be doing this, as you in fact concede in a subsequent post:

"I guess Ringo looks like he is doing Earth sign whist Lennon is doing the sign of Set-Apophis. McCartney is doing a bad version of Isis in Mourning and Harrison's Osiris slain is a very lazy version or maybe he's doing a limp Opening of the Veil"

It is clear from these two quotes that in the first place elitemachinery says about the Help album cover only that they are "doing the signs of the grades"; in the second place you appear to agree, albeit grudgingly; in the third place you characterise elitemachinery's statement as an assertion that the cover is thereby "loaded with occult symbolism". It isn't; and he hasn't said it is. You have reinterpreted what he actually said to create a straw dog against which you can then rail.

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[quoting elitemachinery ] . . . look at the Help album cover where the Beatles are doing the signs of the grades:".

You quote elitemachinery as saying that the Beatles are "doing the signs of the grades". Well, they do appear to be doing this, as you in fact concede in a subsequent post:

"I guess Ringo looks like he is doing Earth sign whist Lennon is doing the sign of Set-Apophis. McCartney is doing a bad version of Isis in Mourning and Harrison's Osiris slain is a very lazy version or maybe he's doing a limp Opening of the Veil"

It is clear from these two quotes that in the first place elitemachinery says about the Help album cover only that they are "doing the signs of the grades"; in the second place you appear to agree, albeit grudgingly; in the third place you characterise elitemachinery's statement as an assertion that the cover is thereby "loaded with occult symbolism". It isn't; and he hasn't said it is. You have reinterpreted what he actually said to create a straw dog against which you can then rail.

Pass the sick-bag, Alice.

 

Do me a favour and stop replying to my posts in this thread.

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Do me a favour and stop replying to my posts in this thread

There's a simpler solution, and that is for you to make sensible posts that don't build up straw dogs. Personally I think that the influence of Crowley on the Beatles is overcooked, particularly the idea that Sgt Pepper was a veiled reference to Crowley. However, it seems likely that the poses on the Help album cover are a reference to the signs of the grades. To say that anyone pointing this out is thereby claiming that the cover is "loaded with occult symbolism" is simply wilful misrepresentation, and it does you little credit.

So far as I am aware, there is nothing in the Guidelines to say that a member may arbitrate on who can and who can't reply to his or her posts.


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. However, it seems likely that the poses on the Help album cover are a reference to the signs of the grades.

If that's the case wouldn't it have been more appropriate then for each of the Fab 4 to have chosen an Elemental Grade Sign each as oppose to (as I stated days ago) ;  Ringo looks like he is doing Earth sign whist Lennon is doing the sign of Set-Apophis. McCartney is doing a bad version of Isis in Mourning and Harrison's Osiris slain is a very lazy version or maybe he's doing a limp Opening of the Veil.

 

Why mix up the INRI Analysis signs with the Elemental Signs.  Y'know if you want to make a point you get it right don't you?  If three of them were doing L.V.X. then you would've thought the 4th member would do an Osiris Slain and yet Risen pose....but they didn't.    I've stated my case and this doesn't interest me, thanks. 

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Why mix up the INRI Analysis signs with the Elemental Signs.  Y'know if you want to make a point you get it right don't you?  If three of them were doing L.V.X. then you would've thought the 4th member would do an Osiris Slain and yet Risen pose....but they didn't.    I've stated my case and this doesn't interest me, thanks. 

They likely weren't occultists, but were just posing for an album cover photograph. They may well have been posing as asked for by photographers, set designers etc.

If it doesn't interest you, then why pursue it? Responding to a post isn't obligatory.

 


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They likely weren't occultists, but were just posing for an album cover photograph. They may well have been posing as asked for by photographers, set designers etc.

Set designers and art directors are notorious for sneaking in elements they deem cool. If the recording artist or director or movie star thinks it looks cool they will go along...or they may not even notice.

A couple things to remember are that the Beatles, while hugely popular at the time, were actors in the movie called HELP for which they also wrote the soundtrack. The script was written by Marc Behm and Charles Wood and the film was directed by Richard Lester. There were many people invloved in creating this film. They all had different backgrounds. They were also older and wiser than the very young Beatles. For the most part I would say the Beatles were just doing as told.

But there participation in doing signs of the grades on the album cover IMHO could indicate that weren't entirely naive as to their meaning. This was a bold move for a band as popular as they were at the time; tantamount to a modern day musician like Snoop Dog flashing crips gang signs in a photo shoot (something he does often.)

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Posing in signs of the grades on the album cover suggests more active cooperation by the Beatles than a poster hanging on the wall of a movie set. But they were actors and actors do as told.

Does it matter how it got there? Perhaps. But it doesn't change the fact signs of the grades are there in plain site. Whether the director, the writers, the producer, the photographer or art director or the band themselves put them there is secondary.

Re Osiris Risen there are photos of them posing with this sign also but they didn't make the cover.

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Another thing to remember is movie people often are working in haste and aren't experts on subject and get the details wrong and make errors.

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Clearly by the time the posters were made there was no effort to spell the word H-E-L-P. (see above)

If you google around there are stories about the album cover that suggest they were trying to spell HELP in semaphore but it didn't look right. This could be true. So perhaps this is when they decided to include the signs of the grades? But the articles do not mention the signs of the grades and neither the writer or director or producers have spoken on the subject to my knowledge (and they would have the final say.) The only one who has spoken on the subject that i'm aware of is the photographer.

Lastly, the movie is a comedy. It's great fun and the Beatles are actors. They were kids smoking pot on set. Probably not dropping acid just yet. They didn't write the movie or direct it.

from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help!_(film)

An eastern cult (a parody of the Thuggee cult) is about to sacrifice a woman to their goddess, Kaili. They notice that she is not wearing the sacrificial ring. Instead, Ringo Starr, drummer of the Beatles, has the ring, sent to him by the intended victim, who is a fan of the Beatles. Determined to retrieve the ring and sacrifice the girl, the chief priest, Clang, several cult members, and high priestess Ahme leave for London. After failed attempts to steal the ring without Ringo noticing, they confront him in an Indian restaurant. Ringo learns that he will be the next sacrifice if he does not give up the ring. However, the ring is stuck and he cannot take it off.

Try to remember that the film is a light-hearted comedy!

You won't be hearing any confessions from Paul McCartney anytime soon about Aleister Crowley or Freemasonry or Occult matters. And there is probably not much to confess. But more recently the Beatles have released two compilations albums titled "Past Masters."

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For those who don't know a Past Master is defined as:

from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_lodge_officer

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What is a past master in the Masons?
 
At the conclusion of his limited term of office, a Worshipful Master is termed a Past Master. The duties and privileges of Past Masters vary from lodge to lodge and jurisdiction to jurisdiction. For example, in some jurisdictions Past Masters become life members of the Grand Lodge, while in others they are not.

Some of the Beatles have been Knighted by the Queen of England. I'm not suggesting some devious plot. Just that they may not be as naive or oblivious as some suggest.

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The fact that the costumes for Sgt Pepper resemble some sort of psychedelic Crowley Freemason outfit to me suggest that by the time Sgt Pepper was created they had included Crowley in the bag of tricks that they draw from creatively. That's what artists do. They draw from all sorts of things. I'm not suggesting any more or any less.

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How many times do I have to explain what the elemental grade signs are and the difference between them and the signs used in the LVX INRI analysis?  Please see my last post for clarity.

 

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Posted by: @elitemachinery

The fact that the costumes for Sgt Pepper resemble some sort of psychedelic Crowley Freemason outfit to me suggest that by the time Sgt Pepper was created they had included Crowley in the bag of tricks that they draw from creatively. That's what artists do. They draw from all sorts of things. I'm not suggesting any more or any less.

I certainly agree with you here, that artists draw from all sorts of influences, consciously or unconsciously. I'd go further, and suggest that images and ideas can upsurge from outside what we consider "our" consciousness, and fecundate "our" consciousness. As apparent individuals, we are transient outcroppings from a wider, deeper, unbroken consciousness.


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Posted by: @michael-staley
Posted by: @elitemachinery

The fact that the costumes for Sgt Pepper resemble some sort of psychedelic Crowley Freemason outfit to me suggest that by the time Sgt Pepper was created they had included Crowley in the bag of tricks that they draw from creatively. That's what artists do. They draw from all sorts of things. I'm not suggesting any more or any less.

I certainly agree with you here, that artists draw from all sorts of influences, consciously or unconsciously. I'd go further, and suggest that images and ideas can upsurge from outside what we consider "our" consciousness, and fecundate "our" consciousness. As apparent individuals, we are transient outcroppings from a wider, deeper, unbroken consciousness.

Yes I agree, here for example is a photo of Freddie of the 60s pop band band Freddie and the Dreamers,  As you can see he (a great initiate and Past Master Mason) is clearly doing (a very lazy version of) the Sign of Osiris Slain yet Risen... or maybe it's a limp Fire Elemental grade sign. 

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