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08/03/2020 5:58 pm  

The British playboy who was Stalin's Stooge: How war reporter Walter Duranty covered up a Kremlin-created famine that killed millions and allowed the Left to continue worshipping a mass murderer

"As a boy, he had to leave Harrow School when his family suffered a reversal in fortune. He transferred to a less prestigious public school, Bedford, with a scholarship – extremely talented but deeply embittered by his exclusion from the ruling classes where he believed he belonged. He went on to study at Emmanuel College, Cambridge, and graduated in Classics with honours. Spending time next in the seedy underworld of Paris, he befriended Aleister Crowley, the self-styled ‘Beast 666’, who dabbled in psycho-sexual seances and black magic."

Trying to remember mentions of Duranty in AC's work, I recalled a very good passage (I think so, anyway) from chapter twenty-four of Magick Without Tears:

"No! Let us first congratulate ourselves that this subject of Necromancy is so admirably documented. As to the real Art, we have not only Eliphas Lévi, but the sublimely simple account in the Old Testament of the Witch of Endor, her conjuring up of the apparition of Samuel to King Saul. A third classic must not be neglected: I have heard or read the story elsewhere—for the moment I cannot place it. But it is so brilliantly told in I Write as I Please by Walter Duranty that nothing could be happier than to quote him verbatim.

It was the story of a Bolshevik who conversed with a corpse. He told it to me himself, and undoubtedly believed it, although he was an average tough Bolshevik who naturally disbelieved in Heaven and Hell and a Life beyond the Grave. This man was doing 'underground' revolutionary work in St. Petersburg when the War broke out; but he was caught by the police and exiled to the far north of Siberia. In the second winter of the War he escaped from his prison camp and reached an Eskimo village where they gave him shelter until the spring. They lived, he said, in beastly conditions, and the only one whom he could talk to was the Shaman, or medicine man, who knew a little Russian. The Shaman once boasted that he could foretell the future, which my Bolshevik friend ridiculed. The next day the Shaman took him to a cave in the side of a hill in which there was a big transparent block of ice enclosing the naked body of a man—a white man, not a native—apparently about thirty years of age with no sign of a wound anywhere. The man's head, which was clean-shaven, was outside the block of ice; the eyes were closed and the features were European. The shaman then lit a fire and burnt some leaves, threw powder on them muttering incantations, and there was a heavy aromatic smoke. He said in Russian to the bolshevik, 'Ask what you want to know.' The Bolshevik spoke in German; he was sure that the Shaman knew no German, but he was equally sure he saw the lips move and heard it answer, clearly, in German.

He asked what would happen to Russia, and what would happen to him. From the moving lips of the corpse came the reply that Russia would be defeated in war and that there would be a revolution; the Tzar would be captured by his enemies and killed on the eve of rescue; he, the Bolshevik, would fight in the Revolution but would suffer no harm; later, he would be wounded fighting a foreign enemy, but would recover and live long.

The Bolshevik did not really believe what he had seen although he was certain that he had seen it. I mean that he explained it by hypnotism or auto-suggestion or something of the kind; but it was true, he said, that he passed unscathed through the Revolution and the Civil War and was wounded in the Polish War when the Red Army recovered Kiev.


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08/03/2020 6:23 pm  

Duranty, along with Neuberg, was a participant in AC's first series of sex magick experiments in Paris in 1913-4 (aka "the Paris Working"). They stayed in touch for some years after this, often through a mutual female sex partner, Jane Cheron.

Duranty's Stalinist stoogery was of course many years in the future at this (pre-Russian Revolution) point.

As an anarchist, i'd like to defend the honor of "the left" against The Daily Mail's slurs- while almost all socialists and Communists worldwide did indeed toe the Comintern line through Hungary 1956 (and some even longer, of course), anarchists never did.

The Bolsheviks massacred anarchist sailors in Kronstadt in 1921, and anarchist soldiers and peasants in Ukraine the same year, and of course there are the events of the Spanish Civil War. So we are one branch of "the left" that can't be tarred with the Stalinist brush, not that that would stop The Daily Mail even if they knew their history better.


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08/03/2020 7:54 pm  

Frozen corpse who foretells the future.    I think I read that story here in a comic; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Tales

That is some bullshit......talking of which ….  what is a 'psycho-sexual seance'?   

On the political aspect of this thread; any kind of radical left government seems to be compelled to suppress any normal morality it has as it purges any moderate tendencies who they deem to be a counter-revolutionary threat.   That includes or involves controlling of a free media. 


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Posted by: @dom

Any kind of radical left government seems to be compelled to suppress any normal morality as it purges any moderate tendencies who they deem to be a counter-revolutionary threat. 

You might notice that far-right regimes have similar tendencies. Thus, anarchists oppose "governments", and "regimes".


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09/03/2020 1:07 am  
Posted by: @dom

bullshit......talking

Obviously you've never seen Encino Man.

Séances are events held by spiritists to hypnotize themselves into thinking they're speaking to the dead. AC derides them in the chapter of which I spoke, which was an ironic little joke I hoped someone might catch.

"Qlipoth—Shells of the Dead—Obsessing Spirits! Here we are back in the pestilent purlieus of Walham Green, and the frowsty atmosphere of the frowsy 'medium' and the squalid séance. 'Look! but do not speak to them!' as Virgil warned Dante." 


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09/03/2020 10:38 am  

@djedi It was  a joke anyway? Oh I see.

 

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You might notice that far-right regimes have similar tendencies. Thus, anarchists oppose "governments", and "regimes".

 

Well yeah, every child dismays that they have to grow up, conform and get a job, pay taxes, apply for this or that, fill in forms and leave their Lord of the Flies-like existence.  

 


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09/03/2020 5:47 pm  
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Well yeah, every child dismays that they have to grow up, conform and get a job, pay taxes ...

Huh? I was a child once, but I did not dismay over these things. Children live in a chilfren's world, and childs (childes?) don't sit around and fret over their upcoming destiny.

So, the word "every" in your pronouncement is de facto abrogated. In fact, the proper word might be "no" (no childe).

Other than that, your point is well made. Conformity, paperwork, and going to work are obviously going to be noticed by said childe-ren when they get to that stage. Even then, these preliminary encounters may not be dismaying, but sooner or later they will certainly become dismal (at times).over the Shinola govs dish out.

If a gov was REALLY "for" the peeps, it might be tolerable. But virtually every human bean [sic] who gets elected or coups their way into a gov position immediately sets out to ensure their position (the #1 priority), and to extend laws (and accompanying taxes) so that childe-ren grow up to become dismayed, defeated, and grumpy.

 


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09/03/2020 7:54 pm  
Posted by: @dom

every child dismays that they have to grow up, conform and get a job, pay taxes

Ever think of going on the dole, dom?

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Children live in a children's world

Is it a happy land? Are you not allowed there, Mr. Grownup?

"Facing the drive, across the road, was a sand-pit. Alick remembers jumping from the top with a alpenstock and charging a navvy at work in the pit, knocking him down, and bolting home. But he was not always so courageous."


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09/03/2020 8:35 pm  
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Posted by: @shiva

Children live in a children's world

Is it a happy land? Are you not allowed there, Mr. Grownup?

I see the Borg has trouble deciphering who said what.

For some, like AC, it is/was not happy. Everyone gets a different menu when they are childe-ren.

Recent posts about my "style" indicate that my work is delivered in big words with pictures for the six-year old mind. "Except you grownups become as little childs, you ain't gonna see the place called Heaven."

 


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09/03/2020 11:00 pm  

@shiva

Huh? I was a child once, but I did not dismay over these things. Children live in a chilfren's world, and childs (childes?) don't sit around and fret over their upcoming destiny.

Well I don't know which planet your childhood was on.    

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Ever think of going on the dole, dom?

What do you mean?  Have you ever been on 'the dole'? 

 

 


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10/03/2020 12:02 am  
Posted by: @djedi

"Facing the drive, across the road, was a sand-pit. Alick remembers jumping from the top with a alpenstock and charging a navvy at work in the pit, knocking him down, and bolting home. But he was not always so courageous."

Bet that navvy was cross.though and would have come out with a few choice expletives.  I can even imagine him shaking a fist at his [Alick's] disappearing form, comic-strip style ("Yew little bleeder! Come 'ere an' I'll kill ya!  Jus' wait 'til I catch yer agin yew ****")

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"Except you grownups become as little childs, you ain't gonna see the place called Heaven."

"Not nobody, not no how" - and that's the tooth

Speech-defectively yours,

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10/03/2020 12:50 am  
Posted by: @dom

Well I don't know which planet your childhood was on.  

Terra firma, just like you and yours. Your reply makes it sound like I am an idiot, and your assessment of "fretting over the future" for all children is correct. It is not, since I have furnished an example that provides the exception that invalidates any rule. Perhaps you were a precocious fretter, but I have encountered no children who are worrying about upcoming gov requirements.

I would hope that you, as well as some other posters, would look up a few words in the diction-liber: All, everyone, none, nobody, always, never. And them apply them in their proper scope. There is nothing wrong with these words. It is just that when applied from a single thought or a narrow view to include all the rest, well, to quote RTC, this is "ego-centric."

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What do you mean?  Have you ever been on 'the dole'? 

Evasive non-answer. Countering a question with another question. You are in a fine state today. Making ridiculous statements about innocent little kids, and reverting to flippant non-response maneuvers. Say, this is Moonday. You're not supposed to be drinking on work days, are you (not)/

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"Not nobody, not no how" - and that's the tooth

Just because you're performing a god-form assumption of the tooth fairy doesn't mean you get to use quadruple negatives and also make sense ... unless referring to the fact that only Nemo (the fifth negative, 5V) gets to visit Eden or Valhalla,

 


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10/03/2020 1:09 am  
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Just because you're performing a god-form assumption of the tooth fairy doesn't mean you get to use quadruple negatives and also make sense ... unless referring to the fact that only Nemo (the fifth negative, 5V) gets to visit Eden or Valhalla,

The actual reference of the "assumption" - the first part anyway - was not to Glinda the good the tooth fairy but to the words of the Cowardly Lion in "If I were King of the Fo-o-o-orest" from The Wizard of Oz (The song where he declared that, were he to be challenged for his putative throne by an elephant, why he would "wrap him up in selliphant".)

The "tooth" - or I suppose more accurately, the "t'ooth" - was just me being silly.  As often usual.

Elucidatingly yours,

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10/03/2020 2:54 am  
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the "t'ooth" - was just me being silly

The to'oth is that Aiwass too. There a scary pandemic of flippancy and "seriousness" hovering over the t'reads lately. We need all the Abbott and Costello stuff we can unload in order to prevent terminal Stalinism.

 


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10/03/2020 4:26 pm  

I have an anarchist joke, to lighten up these often heavy political discussions.

Q: Why do anarchists drink green tea?

A: Because proper tea is theft.

Thank you very, ladies and germs, i'll be here all week.


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10/03/2020 5:02 pm  

@shiva

 

Your reply makes it sound like I am an idiot,

 

Does it?  Not really.   

It is not, since I have furnished an example that provides the exception that invalidates any rule. Perhaps you were a precocious fretter, but I have encountered no children who are worrying about upcoming gov requirements.

No obviously I  meant as children become young adults conforming becomes 'a drag' for the anarchist anyway who seems to want to be a child again.  Hey, why not?   That's what The Master said we should aspire to (Master of Christianity that is...and other Masters). 

 

However  who is going to keep these (post revolutionary) little non- centralized duchies from descending into Mad Max 2 en masse?

 

I'm happy with domestic toilets and utility supplies thankyou very much.  The market and the state provides the incentive for the folk to go and keep such organizations ticking over.  


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10/03/2020 5:57 pm  

Some notable anarchist "children", who never gave a moment's thought to issues like "domestic toilets and utility supplies", and were just petulantly acting out because they did not want to be grown-ups:

Kropotkin

Peter Kropotkin circa 1900.jpg

Bakunin

Bakunin Nadar.jpg

Makhno

1921. Нестор Махно в лагере для перемещенных лиц в Румынии.jpg

Durruti

Buenaventura Durruti.jpg

Goldman

Emma Goldman seated.jpg

Haywood

Bill haywood from langdon page243.png


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10/03/2020 8:28 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Q: Why do anarchists drink green tea?

A: Because proper tea is theft.

Thank you very, ladies and germs, i'll be here all week.

HdXNGLiJHhY

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10/03/2020 8:37 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

[posts anarchist joke]

Posted by: @duck

[posts picture of Trade and Mark, the Smith Brothers, when they need a haircut]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4119/4905340722_aa28741324.jpg

Yet again, I do not understand the young peoples' humor.


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10/03/2020 10:10 pm  

@ignant666

Some notable anarchist "children", who never gave a moment's thought to issues like "domestic toilets and utility supplies", and were just petulantly acting out because they did not want to be grown-ups:

... so no centralized government and no local councils and no states and no military, no 'Peelers' (national police system), no FBI, no tax system and no medium of exchange.

 It would probably work in  a tiny community solely made up of the open-minded presumably brilliant people in your gallery there, yes (just like things generally roll along nicely at middle-class /student-orientated music festivals with their tents etc).

However (and this is what I'm talking about)  real society is made up of individuals like the ones in the cast of Jersey Shore, The Fresh prince of Bel Air,  Girls Incarcerated, Mean Streets, Goodfellas, The Apprentice, Love and Marriage, Wait 'til your father gets home (particularly the wing-nut neighbour) and so on.     Anarchy?  Oh yeah, it'd be 'anarchy' alright. 


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10/03/2020 10:32 pm  

Amended;  Real society is made up of individuals either portrayed or like the ones in etc.. 


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Certainly, you are correct.

Makhno's Ukraine, for example, with an anarchist army of 15,000, and a movement of 7 million peasants, who fought off the Soviet Red Army for three years, maintaining control of a nation 2.5 times the size of the UK, can be justly criticized as "a tiny community solely made up of [...] open-minded presumably brilliant people".

They had plenty of "local councils" (kind of an anarchist specialty, in fact), BTW.

Durutti's anarchist army of 6,000 can be similarly described. A bunch of pampered "middle-class /student" types, who somehow, despite this, fought the Fascists valiantly.

"Big Bill" Haywood led a union of 150,000 anarchist lumberjacks and miners, most of them of course also effete "middle-class /student" types.

Your ignorance of left/labor history never ceases to impress. Maybe you should watch less TV, and videos, and read more books?

It is true that all of the above had a lot of tents, though.


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10/03/2020 11:21 pm  

"At this time I began to experience anger, envy and even hatred towards the landowner and especially towards his children – those young slackers who often strolled past me sleek and healthy, well-dressed, well-groomed and scented; while I was filthy, dressed in rags, barefoot, and reeked of manure from cleaning the calves' barn."

~ the memoirs of Nestor Makhno

At least he was being honest.  

I know we're talking complex situations here and no doubt you will admit that you, as an Anarchist, are basically a gambler ie it's about uncertainty.  The history of Anarchism is usually a story of aborted attempts at capitalizing on power-vacuums that arise amidst the turmoil of leftist revolution and that does include the formation of anarchist armies and patrols.   Thus far it hasn't proliferated due to the determination of it's enemies, perhaps what Burroughs would class as 'control addicts' or statists.

I want to know 'what if' this or that problem arises in such 'centres' of anarchy and you don't have answers because of the reasons I outline above.     


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10/03/2020 11:35 pm  
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I want to know 'what if' this or that problem arises in such 'centres' of anarchy and you don't have answers because of the reasons I outline above.     

No, i don't have answers in the abstract to your demands, because such answers can't exist.

The universal answers to the questions of "domestic toilets and utility supplies" that you demand don't exist in any society, historical or now-extant, because such answers are always historically contingent.

They depend on the conditions, and power relations, on the ground, at that time, in that place, and will vary widely in communities over time, and among communities.

The generalized anarchist solution to how to decide who gets what is those "local councils" working together to achieve consensus.

The task of the revolutionary is not to design the plumbing of Utopia, it is to fight towards a better world.


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11/03/2020 6:29 am  
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... so no centralized government and no local councils and no states and no military, no 'Peelers' (national police system), no FBI, no tax system and no medium of exchange.

Why? How? Where did you obtain the secret agenda of Solar Ranch?

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 It would probably work in  a tiny community solely made up of the open-minded presumably brilliant people

Not presumably. We had about two years of activity that was beyond description in its subtle points. Of course, it was governed by the OTO Constitution, which comes into effect when 1000 souls are registered. Until then, the Grand Pundit has dictatorial powers. Says so in the Constitution Scripture (now defunct).

Of course, when we were "off the ranch," we paid our dues to society and were just "normal" short-haired guys and "normal" long-haired gals with driver's licenses and jobs. The fact that I packed a copy of 333 did not seem to disturb anyone.

As long as the Grand Pundit was a benevolent dictator, like our loving grandmother, everything worked just fine. The trouble started when the Gr.'. Pun.'. decided to take the capitalistic viewpoint that we needed to make more money out of our efforts.

The bookstore and the gas station and the dental laboratory were natural outgrowths and we handled that interface with external society with ease. But it just kept moving toward pulling up stakes, moving, and opening new and bigger businesses.

The spiritual path slowly turned into a seven day workweek with plenty of overtime. No wages. Room & Board. Very twisted slave labor. I was gone by the time it turned Black, but I sure enjoyed the early days when the G.'.P.'. was benevolent.

Jung says 50 people is ideal, giving reason why more or less causes problems. At the time of the expoding explosion, we had 52 on the register. We had, over a few years, registered exactly 75 by the official record. This is not a bad dropout rate for this kind of thing.

It can be done, but it needs benevolence to keep it going (Chesed). And it has been my experience that capitalistic-intent is what can kill it.

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They depend on the conditions, and power relations, on the ground, at that time, in that place, and will vary widely in communities over time, and among communities.

The Tibetans want us to know that reality changes ... and that we should seek the unchanging Void, for it is a haven in the midst of uncertainty.

 

 


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