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What does Balenciaga mean in Latin? Aleister Crowley satanic theory explored amid child campaign controversy

 

"One Twitter user mentioned that the Latin phrase “do as though wilt” was allegedly a decree of the satanist Aleister Crowley. Meanwhile, another added that it was used by satanic occultists who believed in the Thelema philosophy which was founded by Crowley."

 

 

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/what-balenciaga-mean-latin-aleister-crowley-satanic-theory-explored-amid-child-campaign-controversy

 


   
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One eensy-weensy little problem with the claim that "Balenciaga" translates from Latin to English as "Do what you want" is that it in fact does not so translate (even if oddly chopped up as suggested), all those screen-caps are apparently from folks with access to a different version of google translate than the one i get:

Screenshot from 2022 12 01 12 21 07

If we allow google translate to auto-detect language, it says it's Hausa for "I don't eat aga".


   
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Give Crowley a break already.  They blame him for everything.  NEWS FLASH, HE's DEAD!


   
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i don't eat Aga, either!


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Give Crowley a break already.

No, no breaks for satanist Crowley, who said Aiwass was Satan. He wrote it - he lives with it. We usually avoid wearing Crowley t-shirts or selling Crowley books in churches, and thus avoid the satanic emblem and accusations.

We also gnow that this Satan persona is the demi-urge, a natural phenomenon that renders yin-yang in one egg into manifested duality ... so there's that break.

Full Absolution and Further Indulgence in breaking is afforded to posters who make reference to Liber 333 - which is also falsely called "Breaks."

You see
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Reality

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NEWS FLASH, HE's DEAD!

He will be resurrected, daily, by The Daily News. They are obviously Necromancers.

I wonder where that puts us in the Spectrum of Condemnation?


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

NEWS FLASH, HE's DEAD!

Blasphemer! Verily, He liveth, and walketh amongst us.


   
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Posted by: @michael-staley

He liveth, and walketh amongst us.

No. He liveth in frater Micro, who is in Burma or Siam or Krakatoa, and he walketh not among us ... but he doeth make electronic posts from time to time. Is this a new form of channeling ?

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"I don't eat aga".

The meaning of AGA is "a man of authority who bears a title of respect."

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Balenciaga

"Spanish fashion designer known for his stark elegant designs (1895-1972)"

" Kim Kardashian has faced immense backlash after addressing the recent Balenciaga ad campaign controversy."

"Balenciaga Megathread : conspiracy."

Oh, pooh!  I will now apply common Akashik to Balenciaga ...

1. Balanced ...    2. respectfule honorific   =

Perfectly Poised

Oh, poof!  It could also be that the Spanish clothes-horse was a big shot from Valencia (not Balencia) - you know how those Bees and Vees get countercharges, so easily, in the Spanish Lingo.

 

I fail to see any connection to Crowley.


   
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@michael-staley 

Liber Al Legis III:49

I am in a secret fourfold word, the BLASPHEMY against all gods of men.


   
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The claim here, that google translate gives "Baal is the king" as a translation of "Baal enci aga", unlike the prior one, actually checks out.

However, this is clearly google translator glitching- if we remove "Baal", "enci aga" "translates" as "act like an angel". Without the extra "a", "bal enci aga" gives "play the ball". If we substitute "ignant666" for "Baal", we get "ignant666 enci aga".

 


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

"ignant666 enci aga".

Ignant [is] Seeing the End of the Age


   
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"Baal is the king" is kind of redundant since "Baal" means "lord". 


   
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@katrice So, "Ba' El means the God of Gods?


   
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@toadstoolwe "Baal" was originally a title, there were "Baal"s of various things. Baal meaning "Lord" is similar to how "Moloch", and "Melek", like in Melek Taus, seems to be a corruption of "Malik", which has a similar meaning.  Part of this survives in a somewhat well-known name of a demon, or of Satan,depending on the source,  "Beelzebub", a corruption of Baal Ze'bul, "lord of the flies".  I've seen theories that this may have been originally the god of, for lack of a better term, landfills. But, like in many other mythologies, a number of more specific gods were later assimilated in to one singular god. El was a different deity, sometimes seen as a rival of Baal's, with that name surviving as a suffix meaning "of God", as you probably already know.


   
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@katrice In a general sense, yes.  But it doesn't hurt to get a refresher.  So, Beelzebub is the lord of shit?  No wonder the Hebrews claimed that the Canaanites and Assyrians worshiped him.  You probably already know that Baal was incorporated into the Egyptian religion. Like I always say, today's gods are tomorrow's demons.


   
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@katrice In a general sense, yes.  But it doesn't hurt to get a refresher.  So, Beelzebub is the lord of shit?  No wonder the Hebrews claimed that the Canaanites and Assyrians worshiped him.  

Probably originally a local deity of a particular region. I've seen a theory that "Gehenna" originally referred to an area where refuse was disposed of before it was interpreted as a synonym for Hell,  though how this links with its origin as the Vale of Hinnom I'm not sure. But there have been similar deities. The Romans had a sewer goddess, for example. 

So the Lord of a landfill, or the Lord of Hinnom, a local deity, got assimilated in to a single Lord eventually and then got reinterpreted as Lord of Hell.   Now think of Jesus's "If thy right eye offend thee" quote where "Hell" in that verse may have originally been "Gehenna"

You probably already know that Baal was incorporated into the Egyptian religion.

Indeed so.  Egypt got more and more eclectic in its religions as time went on, with foreign deities being incorporated, or assimilated in to already existing deities.  

Like I always say, today's gods are tomorrow's demons.

It all depends on who wins.  😉  For the Hindus, Devas are gods and Asuras are demons, but to the Zoroastrians, those names are switched. 

 

 


   
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@katrice Always informative and thought-provoking!  I'll probably start reading a PDF of a Cambridge U. Press:  The devils and evil spirits of Babylonia.  Babylon (or BABALON) being Crowley's favorite metaphor.  The other demons of the ancient Middle East are also of great interest to me.


   
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@toadstoolwe

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Always informative and thought-provoking! 

 

Thank you!

 

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Babylon (or BABALON) being Crowley's favorite metaphor. 

Technically the spelling "Babalon" came from John Dee, and refers to a specific goddess. For more fun, compare Dee's "Daughter of Fortitude" transmission from her to the Gnostic text "Thunder, Perfect Mind". 

 


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Beelzebub is the lord of shit?

You have successfully cut through all the niceties and arrived at the bottom-line called THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER. 

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

You probably already know that Baal was incorporated into the Egyptian religion.

First. The Egyptians came first. Then Moshe got initiated into the Mysteries, which he used against Pharaoh to get free to go to Canaan to fight with them and the Philistines.

The Phils used to live where Gaza is today. Say, not much has changed, has it? The Gaza-Palestinian vs Israel conflict is just the same old deal that's been going on for millenia. All is as it ever was.

It seems to me that this consorting with demons (who pose as, or aew elevated to, gods) started back in Sumer-time

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originally referred to an area where refuse was disposed

Oh, that place. We know it as The Qliphoth.

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but to the Zoroastrians, those names are switched.

Noting that Sumeria, Assyria, Babylon, Mesopotamia are all the same venue with different names. The "switch" mentioned is indicative of what those dingbats were up to.

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Babylon (or BABALON) being Crowley's favorite metaphor.

AC distincly says he purposely saw to putting the A in - in order to differentiate between the wicked city and the wicked woman, his girlfriend. As noted, he did this in his Dee phase.

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

The other demons of the ancient Middle East are also of great interest to me.

Consorting with Demons is a capital offense. Capit means "head." AL, in this case, means "off."

 

 


   
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@katrice I really have to bone up on Dr. Dee.  By the way, was Dee the "Scryer" or was it Kelly?  Anyway, have you heard of the Website Twilit Grotto?  It seems to have accurate copies of lots of esoteric grimoires.  That might be a good place for me to start on my Dr. Dee journey. I am familiar with T.G. when I was interested in the Lesser Key of Solomon.  I should have known that BABALON was not just Crowley playing alphabet games to suit his numerology, sort of like pushing a square peg into a round hole.


   
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You

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You have successfully cut through all the niceties and arrived at the bottom-line called THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER. 

Does this mean I can move from Probationer to Neophyte? 

 

 


   
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You have successfully cut through all the niceties and arrived at the bottom-line called THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER. 

Though still more likely a legit deity that got demonized by opposing cultures.

 

First. The Egyptians came first. Then Moshe got initiated into the Mysteries, which he used against Pharaoh to get free to go to Canaan to fight with them and the Philistines.

Baal likely found his way to Egypt via the Phoenicians, sometimes seen as an individual deity, sometimes associated with Set due to Set's association with foreigners, sometimes associated with Horus as Baal Hadad in particular. 

 

The Phils used to live where Gaza is today. Say, not much has changed, has it? 

Not really,no.

 Oh, that place. We know it as The Qliphoth.

Hell started out as a trash burn. 😉 

 

Noting that Sumeria, Assyria, Babylon, Mesopotamia are all the same venue with different names. The "switch" mentioned is indicative of what those dingbats were up to.

Zarathustra flipped Hinduism. Devil Be My God.  

 

AC distincly says he purposely saw to putting the A in - in order to differentiate between the wicked city and the wicked woman, his girlfriend. As noted, he did this in his Dee phase.

The spelling does come from Dee, and Crowley got it from there.    

Daughter of Fortitude:

https://babalon156.wordpress.com/2017/07/26/the-daughter-of-fortitude/

 

Thunder, Perfect Mind: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/thunder.html          

 

 

   By the way, was Dee the "Scryer" or was it Kelly?

Kelly was the scryer

 

  Anyway, have you heard of the Website Twilit Grotto?  It seems to have accurate copies of lots of esoteric grimoires. 

I am familiar with that site.

 You might also like to check out Benjamin Rowe's works, once you get the basics of Enochian down.  And of course you should read The Vision and the Voice to see Crowley's own experiences.

 


   
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Posted by: @shiva

Does this mean I can move from Probationer to Neophyte?

^ Posted by Stool - it may quote me, which it is not.

Sure ... after you describe your Vision of Adonai, which is the real 1=10 experience. All those other ceremonies, conditions, and costs are merely attempts to duplicate this experience.

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Though still more likely a legit deity that got demonized by opposing cultures.

Say, didn't AC try the same trick on Jesus?

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the Phoenicians

A most under-studied bunch of heroes. It is said they made their way to the Western Land, where they founded Inca-Maya stuff.

 


   
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@katrice I once had a copy of V & the V published by Sangreal Foundation.  I sold it for $25.00 Damn fool! I could have gotten $100 or more for it.  But yes, you are right, the V & the V doesn't make much sense without a proper knowledge of the Enochian hierarchy.  (If you don't, you will make half-assed conclusions like I do.) I do remember Crowley's poem: Dust Devils.  You don't to be in an Arab desert see to them, Oklahoma or Texas will do nicely.  I don't know for certain, but I'll bet Bedouins have legends about them.


   
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Sure ... after you describe your Vision of Adonai, which is the real 1=10 experience. All those other ceremonies, conditions, and costs are merely attempts to duplicate this experience.

 

 

Don't we sort of have visions of Adonai in our everyday lives?  Or does it have to be a super-duper mind blowing AHA moment?


   
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Posted by: @shiva

Say, didn't AC try the same trick on Jesus?

Every Aeon risks becoming oppressive when it's adherents try to perpetuate it beyond its time.  

And yes, this applies when you view the Aeons as stages of personal development too.

 

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

But yes, you are right, the V & the V doesn't make much sense without a proper knowledge of the Enochian hierarchy. 

Duquette's Enochian World of Aleister Crowley, aka Enochian Sex Magick (it only covers the sex magick part at the very end) also makes a decent user-friendly overview of the topic. 


   
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@katrice Thanks!  I just found it in a PDF format on Internet Archive, no borrowing required.  (Sometimes books have to borrowed 1-hour at a time, or there is a waiting list) I can dive into this immediately.


   
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https://www.newsweek.com/balenciaga-latin-language-fashion-controversy-satanism-1764165

However, both translations are incorrect, according to Latin expert Taylor Marshall.

"As a Latin teacher, I hate to burst people's bubble but 'Balenciaga' or 'Ba Len Ci Aga' is NOT Latin translation for the Satanic motto 'Do what thou wilt.' Stop spreading this misinformation," Marshall wrote on Twitter.

The actual translation of "do what you will" in Latin is "fac sicut vis." "Fac" is the imperative tense of the verb "to do" and the adverb "sicut" means "as" or "just as."


   
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@katrice 

 

I highly reccomend DuQuette's 'Enochian Vision Magick'

 

I have only done one Enochian ritual/skrying so far a year or two ago and it scared me.  A giant eye of whichever King or Senior I invoked was staring out of the crystal ball at me, and it was super angry.  Like I wasn't worthy or ready to call them or talk to them.  There was a huge sense of pressure.  So I was like' sorry,  see ya!' lol


   
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@christibrany That is pretty neat. (Theoretically) You can't let the entities intimidate; you should have commanded the entity to give its name and submit to your will.  Try it again and tell me how it works out.  Is Enochian magic any different from Solomonic Magic?   I just started reading a online book recommended by Katrice, The Enochian World of Aleister Crowley.  The author has a very clear and concise definition of the Enochian system.  I am curious, what preparations did you make?  Did it require the ritual of the greater or lesser pentagram?  After your frightening experience, did you do a banishing ritual?  Did you use a real crystal?


   
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Yes, basic banishings before and after: LBRP and LBRH.  There is also a Ceremony of Preparation in Lon's book.  

 

Enochian Magic is totally different from Solomonic Magic.  The latter is more about demonic evocation and physical results based magick, like getting objects etc.  Enochian is about communicating with angels and attempting to rise to their plane(s). 

My scrying ball is glass I believe  It has the Sigilum Dei Aemeth etched inside of it 🙂 


   
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@christibrany Thank you.  Have you done any scrying since then?


   
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@toadstoolwe 

 

No sir.   Not much Work going on lately.  Just RESH and some asana. I am trying to get back into daily Work in regards to rituals .   


   
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@christibrany Not to be bugging you, but what is RESH?  Are you referring to the Hebrew letter?  Thanks.


   
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I am referring to Liber RESH vel Helios, the ritual(s) to the sun at it's various phases at rising , noon, sunset and midnight 🙂


   
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@christibrany Thanks!


   
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Thanks, that Newsweek article is helpful in accurate basic description.

"The tweet quickly gained traction, with many claiming it was a derivative of the "Do What Thou Wilt," the doctrine of the early 1900s movement, Thelema.

Founded by the Englishman Aleister Crowley, Thelema's primary rule is "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law," which is followed up by, "Love is the law, love under will.""

 


   
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@hadgigegenraum Christ, what nothing burger!


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Is Enochian magic any different from Solomonic Magic?

All Magics are infinite - there ain't no difference.

Well, if you want to nit-pick about anything, you can start listing differences. Then you have come down to difference mode, which is mental and has specific thoughtorms and sigils and colors and so-on. 

Magick is different. It is used in daily-life. All acts are Magickal acts ... you've surely read the outline.

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Enochian Magic is totally different from Solomonic Magic.  The latter is more about demonic evocation and physical results based magick, like getting objects etc.  Enochian is about communicating with angels and attempting to rise to their plane(s). 

Yes, this begins the list of differences. The Solo-mon rites are essentially Black Magic.

Frater Estar took 6 months off to secret himself in some wilderness to do the 30 Aires ... after he came back, he wrote a short article, Marketing Angels versus Real Angels. A summary implies that marketing angels are cute and fluffy ...

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... while the Real (Enoch-type) Deal can be terrifying ...

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Posted by: @michael-staley

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

NEWS FLASH, HE's DEAD!

Blasphemer! Verily, He liveth, and walketh amongst us.

 

"Think not, o king, upon that lie: That Thou Must Die: verily thou shalt not die, but live." - Legis 2:21 

Aleister Crowley is currently alive confirmed 😆 

 

"There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was." - Liber Legis 2:58
"To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss." - Liber Legis 3:62


   
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@fraterihsan  "If the body of the King dissolve, he shall remain in pure ecstasy forever."  "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die"   Crowley is dead, just like we all will be sooner or later.


   
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Yes, this begins the list of differences. The Solo-mon rites are essentially Black Magic.

 

I just finished reading Shakespeare 's The Tempest.  The dynamics between Ariel and Caliban is allegorically a profound lesson in Magic(k), well worth reading. (Or re-reading).


   
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Posted by: @fraterihsan

"Think not, o king, upon that lie: That Thou Must Die: verily thou shalt not die, but live." - Legis 2:21

On the surface, this appears to copy, or reflect, the basic premise (of continuation, of immortality) of Christianity, which was the usual target.

Then the same Liber says Those who see thy death shall be glad. Nobody saw nothing when his physical vehicle terminated.

Then, somewhere in 333 or 444, P.'. says, "Die daily."

Oh, I see clearly now - the dying is part of dhyana or samadhi - which makes sense when we consider that AL describes this transition, in fairly clear detail. As to the physical vehicle ...

EVERYBODY DIES
No Exceptions

Postmortem appearances are spectacular, but since they don't last, we must describe such things either as an illusion or a miracle.

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just like we all will be sooner or later.

The proper turn of phrase (for those seeking liberation from life and/or death) is "later or sooner."

 


   
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@shiva There is no liberation from life and or death.  That is the ultimate illusion.  "Sooner or Later" "Later or Sooner"?  What is the difference?


   
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And what would Crowley's Simon Iff say if he was called to investigate? Is Thelema being used as a scapegoat for an alleged post modernist Baal cult for more eyes wide shut intrigue...? 

https://rense.com/general97/the-real-balenciaga-story-video.php

 As the young woman in the video clip lays out, the said criminal evidence, finds as identified, what would suggest the spelling of the company's name as Baalenciaga

 

 

 

 


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Is Thelema being used as a scapegoat for an alleged post modernist Baal cult for more eyes wide shut intrigue...? 

It s said that, if a news story headline is in the form of a question, the answer is always no. Also true here.

Thelema has scarcely been mentioned and is not being a scapegoat here, and there is no "Baal cult" or "eyes wide shut intrigue", just an "edgy" marketing campaign, and some google translate glitches, and a bunch of Q-Anon imbeciles engaged in rampant pareidolia.

Q is the only cult involved.

As to the video, a rather pretty, and very gullible, young woman. Yet another example of the perils of "doing your own research", when you have zero research skills, and zero critical thinking ability, and believe everything you hear, provided it suits your prejudices.


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

What is the difference?

One starts with an "S" (-ooner) and the other starts with an"L" (-ater).

An OOner-ater does not eat aga.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Thelema being used as a scapegoat for an alleged post modernist Baal cult ... ?

Yeah, it's part of the archetype. As soon as one attempts to do their Will, a "natural opposition" pops up. In this case, it's children and Aleister (a repetitive theme). The funny thing is, there's no evidence of any kids being really molested in any of the Thelemic literature or lineages.

Well, yeah: Sacrifice big and little cows ... after a child. In this case, the child (male of perfect intelligence) is the magician hirself - as explained by Therion in Book 4. So, holy cows, this/these idiot(s) has/have Shinola for Cerebrum(s)!  

 


   
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The so called ""edgy" marketing campaign" is just a defense of a well heeled media campaign deliberate celebration of child abuse and human trafficking, intended to make those that care about the welfare of children to be the attacked, rather than to see the abuse and degradation being cultivated in an honest way.


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

The so called ""edgy" marketing campaign" is just an effort to make money that backfired.

Fixed that for you.

Businesses exist for one (1) reason, and it ain't shit to do with "deliberate celebration of child abuse and human trafficking".

 

 


   
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 Stop making quotes that I did not say...that is the type of cheating that is indicative of those who put commercial interests above civil rights...like that of children and families now bombarded by what is nothing but of a crass commercial ugliness turning the planet into a black rock owned by Blackrock and the globalist panopticon.


   
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