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ptoner
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28/10/2013 9:23 am  

Youngsters lured into the world of Satan by Halloween

This line of text is to confirm that I am thinking of  no longer posting Crowley Clippings. Seems to be little or no acknowledgement and therefore, I think no interest in these clippings that I gather. So this will be my last for a while unless I get some sort of response, that this exercise is worthwhile at all. I can understand Pauls constant frustration over the years with the severe lack of support, financially, for LAShTAL. People want everything for free and give almost zilch in return.
Be very interesting to see if anyone actually reads the content above!

Mr Carlyon said the authorities should monitor some groups, including the controversial O.T.O., because of the alleged sex rituals held during some meetings. “I constantly tell people that nothing in witchcraft involves taking your clothes off,” he said. The European headquarters of O.T.O., which stands for Ordo Templi Orientis (Order of the Temple of the East), is just a street away from Kevin’s home in St Leonards-on-Sea, East Sussex.
Infamously, it was once run by occultist, heroin addict and kinky sex advocate Aleister Crowley, who died in nearby Hastings aged 72 in 1947.

His disturbing teachings in several books live on with believers in O.T.O. lodges across the country. Singer Bob Geldof’s daughter, Peaches Geldof, has an O.T.O. tattoo on her arm and has in the past urged her Twitter followers to buy Crowley’s books, which include one on so-called “sex magick”, involving ritualistic sex.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/439467/Youngsters-lured-into-the-world-of-Satan-by-Halloween


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28/10/2013 10:19 am  

I did! And I understand the sentiment...

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28/10/2013 10:32 am  

93!

I also did. And I would miss it a lot. Though I know I never respond I love reading them...

But I'd also understand...

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28/10/2013 11:54 am  

Yeah, I do read them, but may not always respond.


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jamie barter
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28/10/2013 12:20 pm  
"ptoner" wrote:
This line of text is to confirm that I am thinking of  no longer posting Crowley Clippings. Seems to be little or no acknowledgement and therefore, I think no interest in these clippings that I gather. So this will be my last for a while unless I get some sort of response, that this exercise is worthwhile at all. ...

Yes, I understand this Paul.  Although I perhaps may have not directly stated it in so many words, I certainly appreciate the effort which goes into your submissions for “Crowley Clippings”, and would miss it if it wasn’t there.  Yes, people can be lazy and unappreciative bastards at times, this is yet another almost universal law, but one must plough on doing what one thinks in one’s heart is for the best, “without lust of result”.  But I wish you all the very best, whatever you decide.

Re this actual clipping, apart from an apparent increase of interest in Old Stan at this time of the year, I find the statement “nothing in witchcraft” involves taking one’s kit off rather odd.  For someone who is supposed to be “high priest of British white witches”, it is surprising that Mr Carlyon has never come across the phrase “sky-clad” or the goings-on in some Gardnerian and Alexandrian covens, what? 

While we are there, who can these “authorities” be who should be “monitoring” the situation?  As far as I know, the Gestapo is no longer active in Europe.  Maybe he means further infiltration from the gutter press, those wonderful arbiters of the nation’s morals?  If so, some people have very short memories of the Orkneys etc. abuse hysteria of the early 90s & Heaven help us all.

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29/10/2013 10:48 am  

I for one welcome these posts. This particular story I read in the newspaper myself, which is rare because I rarely buy a paper these days and just happened to read someones copy. I recently subscribed £5 a month to Lashtal so I am one of the few who does contribute. Dare I say do we need to look at a two-tier service to encourage more people to subscribe? It would seem a shame, but a bit more of a community spirit is needed I feel rather than just treating this place simply as a resource to use, I think things are a little one sided at present.

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lashtal
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29/10/2013 11:56 am  
"Hamal" wrote:
Dare I say do we need to look at a two-tier service to encourage more people to subscribe? It would seem a shame, but a bit more of a community spirit is needed I feel rather than just treating this place simply as a resource to use, I think things are a little one sided at present.

I agree, of course. But... If people aren't prepared to engage - through News/Image/Downloads submissions or even through Donations - when things are free, why would they engage/invest in an 'upper tier'?

Mind you, I've been running this site for many, many years, so I'm familiar with disappointment!

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Hamal
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29/10/2013 1:29 pm  
"lashtal" wrote:
"Hamal" wrote:
Dare I say do we need to look at a two-tier service to encourage more people to subscribe? It would seem a shame, but a bit more of a community spirit is needed I feel rather than just treating this place simply as a resource to use, I think things are a little one sided at present.

I agree, of course. But... If people aren't prepared to engage - through News/Image/Downloads submissions or even through Donations - when things are free, why would they engage/invest in an 'upper tier'?

Mind you, I've been running this site for many, many years, so I'm familiar with disappointment!

There really is no easy answer Paul. The only way to make an upper tier viable I suspect would be to move resources currently available for free into that paid for tier, which would be a great shame, I would be very sad to see it happen.

The problem with paid memberships is it changes the dynamic radically. Once people are paying their expectations rise as does their indignation with anything that displeases them. You go from generous host to profiteering overlord as people always assume things cost less than they do to provide, leading to the misconception of hording profits. It might lead to more of a sense of entitlement and less "appreciation".

On the financial side, advertising is a possibility, but I wouldn't over estimate the value of advertising. Most advertising simply doesn't work for businesses and on-line advertising for a site/forum such as this would only bring in a trickle of funds, it wouldn't be a magic bullet. I have advertised on internet sites/forums before. I advertised on one forum that had 2000 active members using it every day and it cost me about £20 a quarter to advertise via rotating banner at the top/bottom of the forum. It just about generated enough revenue to justify the advertising and there were always tensions between advertisers about content relating to their activities.

What would be nice would be to find a way of encouraging more of a sense of community, more appreciation of your efforts and the efforts of other contributors. I had been reading Paul's news posts avidly, and I confess it did not occur to me to post a thank you... it didn;'t seem appropriate somehow to have a load of thank you posts. But then how does he know we appreciate it otherwise.

I have waffled on long enough!

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29/10/2013 6:09 pm  

An interesting post, Hamal. I have, of course, considered the use of advertising but... How can a site that declares itself impartial and non-partisan possibly allow what is effectively paid-for space? No, not now, not ever. I'd rather the site closed.

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30/10/2013 5:22 pm  

93 Paul,

"ptoner" wrote:
Youngsters lured into the world of Satan by Halloween

This line of text is to confirm that I am thinking of  no longer posting Crowley Clippings...

I rarely post, but I do enjoy reading the clippings you provide! I would hate to see you discontinue it.  🙂
It is always darkly amusing to me to see how A.C. is continually portrayed in the media as a Satanist, even to this day. Of course, those that are familiar with Thelema know this to be untrue...

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30/10/2013 6:25 pm  

As a member since 2007 I admit only recently have I started contributing financially, which will continue.  I have enjoyed the site & learned plenty. Your contributions obviously are enjoyed & add value. Thank you for your honesty & the reminder to give what we can to support the site financially & with solid material for us all.


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30/10/2013 7:33 pm  

Paul - I do hope you continue with your clippings. They are often amusing, sometime exasperating, and always a welcome respite from the blasts of hot air which so often blow through the forums.


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Hamal
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30/10/2013 7:44 pm  

Go on Paul, we'll erect a small statue in your honour, made out of lego bricks!

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31/10/2013 4:35 pm  

While Paul deliberates over what and what not to do, and we wait breathlessly to hear how the Zennor/ St Austell Hallowe'en Arts festivities progressed, this thread re. Uncle Stan seems an ideal place to wish a timely pleasant samhain to all.  A festival which, these days, appears to have devolved into some great international trick-or-treat farrago with hordes of kids roaming the streets, ringing on doorbells & terrorising and extorting their elders with merry and gay abandon (- i.e., not ‘abaddon’, along with apollyon the destroying angel, I might add)... But,

‘I’ll be right back!’
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31/10/2013 5:45 pm  

Yes, small children dressed as ghosts extorting candy with threats of trick! And what we learn from this is.... ghosts like candy! I would be out at the naked Samhain orgy but it's a bit chilly. I say hurrah for Halloween, I think it's great! I'm just off to slaughter some cattle and eat like a king...

Samhain greetings to you all!

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01/11/2013 11:04 am  

Another article with the White Witch.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10776799.Hastings_white_witch___s_warning_over_Halloween_cons/


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jamie barter
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01/11/2013 12:43 pm  

Without fuss or fanfare, but very good to see the welcome return of Crowley Clippings!

Where there are apparently further gems a-plenty from the assembled wit & wisdom of Mr Carlyon:

People should have a bit of fun as long as it is properly supervised.

I do use a Ouija board to try and contact the spirits. It’s a bit like a mobile phone. …

He [Mr Carlyon] said he would be celebrating Halloween by carrying out love, health and fertility rituals in Battle Woods with about 25 people.

I take it that it will have been, as Kenny Everett used to say, “in the best possible taste”!

Mr Carlyon said his rituals were much more potent at Halloween as he was able to “physically nick” energy from other people’s parties.

Charming!

Mr Carlyon said Hastings had become the occult capital of the UK with many attempting to follow in the footsteps of renowned occultists Aleister Crowley and Alex Sanders.

What with Mr Carlyon living “in the next street” to “the head of the European headquarters of the [C].O.T.O.”, it must make popping down to their local Budgens or paper shop an interesting experience for the both of them!

There are groups in Brighton that try to exploit vulnerable people, usually girls, by attracting them with promises of how to get rich or how to get your ideal boyfriend.  Sometimes they will get them to take part in a ritual by Skype where they will encourage them to take their clothes off. They are basically grooming these people and then they make it difficult for them to get out. ...

Leaving levity aside for one moment, this sort of behaviour is of course completely to be deplored.  How widespread it is is another matter.  But to dreadfully paraphrase the Jackson Five hit here, and to end on a serious note -

It is those one or two bad apples who spread the risk of spoiling a whole bunch of girls,
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01/11/2013 2:38 pm  

I omitted to add the following comment to the above & it was to late to “*edit*” it:

I do use a Ouija board to try and contact the spirits. It’s a bit like a mobile phone. …

But, who’re you gonna call?  (Not Ghostbusters!)

- “Is Vic there?”

(Sigh!!  Was it really worth it? :D)

And not dialling M for Murder, either,
N Joy


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01/11/2013 6:43 pm  
"jamie barter" wrote:
I take it that it will have been, as Kenny Everett used to say, “in the best possible taste”!

I can't hold back, I must stake a claim to fame.... I went to the same school as Kenny Everett and once sat at his graffiti ridden desk!

[takes a bow amid the applause!]  😀

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01/11/2013 6:46 pm  
"jamie barter" wrote:
I omitted to add the following comment to the above & it was to late to “*edit*” it:

I do use a Ouija board to try and contact the spirits. It’s a bit like a mobile phone. …

But, who’re you gonna call?  (Not Ghostbusters!)

- “Is Vic there?”

(Sigh!!  Was it really worth it? :D)

And not dialling M for Murder, either,
N Joy

I always think of the Toffee Crisp advert myself.... "Are you there Sidney?"

[the lampshade shakes and down drifts an empty toffee crisp wrapper!]

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ptoner
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01/11/2013 7:31 pm  

Lol,  exactly what I thought also Hamal.

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